DeRosa Trade: Phillies Confirm Deal
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Wed, December 10, 2008 02:15 AM | Comments: 151
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UPDATE (1:35 a.m.): I apologize for the delay in updates. Here’s the latest:
The Phillies have confirmed a deal is in place between them, the Cubs and Padres, and will be executed if Chicago and San Diego agree.
Names coming through: JA Happ, Kyle Kendrick, Jason Jaramillo. I can see one of the pitchers going with Jaramillo over to San Diego.
Jayson Stark doesn’t feel a deal will occur during the Winter Meetings.
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UPDATE (2:31 p.m.): Tom Krasovic says Chris Coste wouldn’t be part of the deal, and another source said JA Happ wasn’t, either. However:
They are seeking young pitching from the Phillies as part of the many scenarios involving three or four teams in a trade that would place Jake Peavy with the Cubs.
What else is there? Carlos Carrasco? No thank you.
At this point, the longer we wait, the more likely this isn’t happening.
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UPDATE (1:39 p.m.): Ken Rosenthal now reports that the Cubs say they’re not close to a deal for Jake Peavy:
The Cubs maintain that they are “not even close” to a trade for Padres right-hander Jake Peavy and continue to mull a run at free-agent lefty Randy Johnson if the price for Peavy proves too steep.
The Cubs still want to wait until the secure new ownership to make a deal, so that may be part of this explanation. We can’t call off anything, but of course, we can’t say anything official either.
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UPDATE (12:41 p.m.): MASN reports that the Orioles have not been in talks with the Cubs and Padres concerning the Peavy trade.
According to Roch Kubatko, “a team official said if the Padres announce a trade early tomorrow, the Orioles aren’t involved in it.”
That means Paul Hagen’s confirmation from a team official that a four-team deal was almost out of the question is correct. A three-team deal concerning the Phillies seems very likely.
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UPDATE (11:50 a.m.): MLB.com is now reporting the DeRosa talk, meaning this thing is probably more certain than ever. Writer Marty Noble, however, says this:
DeRosa, the one-time quarterback for Penn, would move from the Cubs to the Phillies, who would send pitcher J.A. Happ to the Cubs, possibly with another prospect. The Cubs would then move Happ, the second prospect and more to the Padres in a package for pitcher Peavy, the 2007 National League Cy Young Award winner.
That’s the first we’ve heard of “another prospect.” Seeing as the Padres need a backup catcher, Jason Jaramillo comes to mind. Definitely not Lou Marson or Travis D’Arnaud.
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The Cubs are very close to acquiring Jake Peavy from the Padres. The caveat: The Phillies or Orioles need to take Jason Marquis.
From the Chicago Tribune’s Phil Rogers:
[Padres GM Kevin] Towers told reporters on Monday that the Cubs were the only team he is continuing to talk to about Peavy and that making a Peavy trade was his full focus at the winter meetings. He then went out and proved it by working to facilitate a potentially four-team trade that would send Mark DeRosa to Philadelphia and Felix Pie to Baltimore and bring back pitchers Garrett Olson, J.A. Happ (the Northwestern product) and Sean Marshall for the Padres.
The key for that deal to work is for the Phillies or Orioles to take Jason Marquis, with the Cubs agreeing to eat some of his salary.
So it’s possible the Phillies would send JA Happ and possibly Chris Coste to San Diego, with a return of Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis.
Allow me to say it out loud: Get it done.
More updates to come.
Posts: 0 metsblow4show
Hey Grrrumpy, why would the Phillies want to take on Castillo’s 18 Mil when he is only going to play for a month til Utley is back? He isn’t a utility player since he can only play one position. Thanks but NO thanks, our garbage is more appealing then yours.
Posted: 01:30 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 NJ
If were facilitating a deal to give the Cubs the best rotation in the game by a mile then we’ve got to make a run at getting something promising in the deal, but the Padres land their prospects, the Cubs an ace and we make off with DeRose, I like the guy but he’s not enough to make the deal worth it for us.
Posted: 01:37 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
“I know he has a no-trade clause and said he would go to the Cubs, but did he ever say he wouldn’t come here?”
He didn’t say he wouldn’t go to Philly, but it’s been widely known that there are only a few places Peavy wanted to go: the Cubs, the Dodgers, the Braves, the Padres.
Posted: 01:38 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Grrrrumpy, metsblow4show, made my point for me. Why do the Phillies need Castillo? Utley is out a month. What would they do with Castillo for the other 2 and a half years?
And I think you have me confused with someone else. I’ve never said the term “cheap bas#### owners”, nor do I think they’re cheap.
Posted: 01:38 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Jeff
Keep the tall lefty. He will pan out to be an 18 game winner sooner than you think. DeRosa is a utility player at best. Give Pat the Bat a little more $$ and concentrate on geting another starter.
Posted: 01:38 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Jason B
I do not want Jason Marquis. If the Phillies take him in the deal, he will likely be our major pitching aquisition. Also, the reason DeRosa is interesting is his ability to play outfield as well. DeRosa will not in my eyes be an acceptable replacement for Burrell. I really hope these are rumors, because if not this could be the end of the Phillies off season moves. We have a viable 2nd base options, Brunlett and Donald. However, knowing Utley’s work ethic, I gaurentee he will start Spring Training and be ready for opening day. If a goalie in Hockey can come back early from this injury, with the amount of movement required for that position, I promise that Utley will start the season.
Posted: 01:40 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Don M., I hear your point about Happ. I don’t think this deal is a no-brainer, but I think Derosa is a much better LF solution than anything else out there (Rivera, Baldelli, etc.) and Derosa can play 2B until Utley comes back, so by making this trade, the Phillies save the trouble of bringing in free agents for those positions.
I’d rather have Happ than Marquis, but if we have to sacrifice Happ in order to bring in Derosa (and Marquis at below market price, assuming the Cubs help pay his $9.875 million salary) then I’d do the trade.
Posted: 01:41 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Sign Punto.. have Coste, Punto, Dobbs, Bruntlett, Jenkins/Stairs as your bench next season.. DeRosa is an alright player, who probably saw nothing but fastballs last year hitting between Soriano, Derek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Geovanny Soto. etc… their lineup was STACKED… and he benefited greatly from it.. to think he could do that again this year would be a mistake, because he wouldn’t be the “answer” to our LF problem.. he would be a stop-gap.. but then create a hole in our rotation because of it..
DON’T MAKE THIS TRADE
what happened to the Josh Vitters talk.. if we seriously throw him in the mix, the Phillies then need to make this deal because it would give you a top prospect at 3b, which we have nobody close now. Vitters hit .328 in 61 games of A-ball and was named the Northwest League’s TOP PROSPECT by Baseball America he had a 26 game hit streak, 32 of his 85 hits went for extra bases… and he’s only 19 years old
Posted: 01:42 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
I agree with Mike B.
Getting Marquis (who is no better than Happ and whom we’ll have to pay like 5M) will seriously compromise our financial ability to get both Lowe and Moyer. With Marquis in the rotation, we’d only have one lefty (Hamels) and that could make us ditch Lowe and go for Moyer. In that horrible scenario, our starting rotation could be even worse than last year.
Posted: 01:43 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris.I
This is what you do…
1.Stay away from helping the cubs achieving the best starting pitching in baseball, and take Peavy for ourself
2.Sign Ibanez
3.Sign Lowe
Posted: 01:50 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Josh Vitters would be going to the Padres, not the Phillies.
Posted: 01:54 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
We should trade Eaton for Pujols, and Bruntlett for Arod too
…you know, since we’re being crazy with our ideas
Posted: 01:55 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
It bothers me that Phillies would be “helping” facilitate a trade of Jake Peavy to the Cubs. The last thing I want to see is that team get better.
I say pass.
Posted: 01:57 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
If we’re getting Punto, we don’t trade for DeRosa… and the fact that we already have Bruntlett who could play 2b, .. this trade sucks, the rumor sucks, and I really hope they dont do it
Posted: 02:00 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Shouldn’t the primary concern be whether or not this trade makes the Phillies better?
Who cares about the Cubs. They were better than the Phillies this year and look what happened.
It’s not like the Phillies are the key to this deal. If the Phillies pass, then another team will come in with a mediocre pitching prospect and complete the deal.
Posted: 02:00 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Don M, surely you don’t think Bruntlett is as good Derosa?
Posted: 02:02 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 mike mike
Grumphy even a blind squirrell finds a nut once in a while. Its this kind of cheap alteratives that make us get one tiltle in 28 years, coming off winning and loaded with extra money to spend, and seeing that we will pay to got to the games, will pay for merchandise over 240,000 locally a day for months, raising tickets this year, and you want to sell me mark de rosa and jason marguis. That is a disgrace these will have to replace burrell and moyer, were is the upgrade, but I know they won last year and who ever they get is a nice player and will be better with us, we have magic. And you know why they are cheap fourth largest market and had to have baseball give them money before they build the cbp each year to raise from 27 in payroll to 18, four years before cbp was build they receive 12,8 million next year 11 and 11 and9 how do you sell the fourth largest market as small. only bill giles who has his father name can get that. do you think arizona get million as the fifth market. and they can’t draw flys. so they aren’t cheap yeah.
Posted: 02:02 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
For the record, I was not comparing Bruntlett to DeRosa, what I was doing was asking, what DeRosa’s job would be on the Phillies. If it was a replacement for Burrell then ok, if he was brought on to be a utility guy who will play some second while Utley is gone then I questioned the move on the basis that we already have Bruntlett. Not saying that Bruntlett is better than DeRosa, everyone with an ounce of sense knows that is not true, but like a few people pointed out, we are improving our team marginally while allowing the Cubs to have arguably the sickest rotation in baseball history….not sure DeRosa and Marquis is enough for me to make this deal on the SINGLE BASIS that this makes the Cubs a lot better and they give up what? Felix Pie and maybe Sean Marshall?
No thanks…pass!
Posted: 02:02 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris.I
I think a package deal containing Happ/Jaramillo/Kendrick and maybe another player should get the Padres interested. That Cubs deal doesn’t help us out one bit. DeRosa seemed like a better fit last year when we asked for him…We just don’t need him! Bottom line…Sign Ibanez as our everyday LF
Posted: 02:03 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
I say we go after Young as our LF…he is 23 years old. So he may be a headcase but if anyone can coach him its Charlie. Ibanez is good but like 40 years old. Either we go after Peavy for ourselves which we can’t do because he doesn’t seem to want to come to Philly or we do not get involved at all.
Posted: 02:06 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Dean H
Forgive me for being dumb, but why in the world would we trade Happ for a 2nd rated pitcher? Why not bribe Peavy to come to Philly for another ring? Explain please why this makes sense to give up a young, possibly very good, pitcher for an older, fair pitcher?
Posted: 02:08 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Dean H, the Phillies would be getting Derosa, who can play any infield position and corner outfield and hit 20 homers with a .376 OBP last year.
Posted: 02:11 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Stuart
This is just a bad deal. How can you replace Burrell a power hitting left fielder with DeRosa. Happ is someone we would rather have any way and develop him ourselves. Do you all not remember how we became world champions? With home grown talent.
Posted: 02:11 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris.I
I’d take Delmon Young too..ONLY if he comes with a 2-3 year contract. Young is a decent player, with a powerful arm, and plus he hits for average. I’m not too worried about his ”attitude”. I think he’ll adjust real quick here, but those rumors seem to be dead
Posted: 02:11 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
No I don’t think Bruntlett is as good as DeRosa.. but Bruntlett and Happ is better for your roster than DeRosa and ?
Posted: 02:12 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
Don M….EXACTLY!!!!!!! DeRosa and Marquis…no thanks.
As for Young, pretty sure he is arbitration eligible for the next few years so we could probably get him at a decent price.
Posted: 02:15 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
I guess I just don’t see J.A. Happ becoming anything more than a 4th starter. Nothing he has ever done would lead me to believe that. But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Posted: 02:16 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris.I
From my understanding, Peavy only wanted to go to the Cubs..But if thats the case, why did Fox write that article lastnight mentioning that the Phils, and Cubs are both have Peavy under radar? If it was that far fetched, it wouldn’t have been printed up in the paper to begin with.
Posted: 02:17 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Jayson Stark on ESPN’s baseball page right now “Peavy headed to Cubs or back to San Diego”
The Phillies don’t have the prospects to get Peavy. So let’s just put that discussion to bed.
Posted: 02:22 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Eb
Anyone know of any SECRET TRADES???????
I miss those…
I would rather explore making a play for Peavy as opposed to any of this three team trade BS. THe only reason the phillies should get in a 3 team trade is if Vitters come to Philly.
Posted: 02:23 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris.I
Who were the Cubs giving up to aquire Peavy in the first place?
Posted: 02:25 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
The Cubs would give up Pie, Sean Marshall, Derosa and Marquis.
Posted: 02:28 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 PhillyFriar
Tim: you’re right that Happ and Coste for DeRosa and Marquis is a no brainer from a talent perspective. But I wouldn’t do it for financial reasons.
DeRosa doesn’t really patch left field “without spending a dime.” He patches left field for 1 year at $5.5 million PLUS the likely $6 million minimum we’d have to pay Marquis. And while Happ isn’t fantastic by any stretch of the imagination, there’s a pretty good chance he can replicate Marquis’ numbers for a fraction of the cost (i.e. at or near the MLB minimum over the next 3 years).
I just think we can put the $11 million or so to a better use, don’t you?
Posted: 02:31 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Right but wouldn’t you rather have a 4th starter, then go shopping for one that costs $9 M a season ??
Posted: 02:33 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Grrrumpy Miner
Griff….It was MikeMike that phrased “Cheap bas#### owners” Pardon me,I thought that was you.OK if you really feel that way,Eaton in the Minors for 9 million.BOY what wasted talent he was.Now Luis Castillo on the other hand is what 33 years old,and most likely will be healthy in time for spring training?OKAY,I’ll take a healthy Castillo with something to prove,save money on Orlando Hudson.Its true what they say….the BEST trade is the one not made.But if DeRosa goes to the Phillies…I’ll accept Pat Burrell on my team anyday of the week….TWICE on Sunday.
Posted: 02:33 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 I know Sal..
okay…I’m willing to make the sacrifice. I’d be willing to help in expenses by driving my own vehicle and paying all the gas in order to drive Happ, Coste and whomever else to San Diego in order to bring Peavy to Philadelphia.
Posted: 02:34 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Johnson
burrell .250/.367/.507 33hr 86rbi 74r 102bb 136k 33 2b
derosa .286/.376/.481 21hr 87rbi 103r 69bb 106k 30 2b
burrel is 32 and derosa is 33 years old
Posted: 02:35 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
We have a fourth starter…Happ can be that guy depending on whether we get Moyer back or not. Like Friar said…Marquis and DeRosa cost you 11 mil, why not use that for Lowe? You get him and Blanton becomes your fourth starter, I like that a lot better than Marquis.
Posted: 02:35 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Grrrumpy Miner
Eb….Secret trades are exactly what they are….a secret.So if any trades are made,we’ll all know…but there are a lot of rumors out there.
Posted: 02:36 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Chris.I
Oh okay. Sorry, what I meant to ask was who were the Padres actually getting in return? But I pretty much understand now, thanks. I still think we could offer more in return, but your right…Let’s move on
Posted: 02:36 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
Do not overlook that Burrell walked a hell of a lot more than DeRosa does. LF is a power postion which DeRosa is not. Sure he will get on base but if Utley and Howard are your only two big hitters then you have a problem. They need a right handed power bat. Period.
Posted: 02:37 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
After thinking this over and over and over and over… I say: NO DEAL!
Posted: 02:39 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan
Yeah I just don’t understand why the Phillies would do this either….DeRosa and Marquis are average players, so why would you go out of your way to help the Cubs (a rival NL team) become a much better team? Especially if all we’re getting for it is average players in return. Being average is NOT what won us the World Series last season!
See this is why I despise the Phillies ownership, always looking for the cheap way to fill holes, and not the best way. I honestly believe they won the World Series last year despite the phillies ownership, certainly not because of them
Posted: 02:42 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
That is the only drawback to having won it all last year, if there is a such thing a draw back. Now because the Phils won despite the owners being greedy cheap aholes they can now throw that in everyones face and use it as exhibit A of why you dont have to spend a ton of money to win.
Posted: 02:44 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 mike mike
Thank you Ed why do people overlook Pat burrell obp. Even when he struggles with the bat he walks, to get someone on for the next guy, obp is important. A lot of the people who are mention to replace him have bad obp. Pat is too expensive at 12-14 per season for three years. I totally agree on this with the phillies, but we have to find a adquate replacement. Really don’t know if DeRosa is the answer but jason marquis is terrible to sell to us as a fourth starter. Especially with a unknown Myers and Blanton. I mean Myers was so bad he had to go to the minors and in two of his last starts didn’t he get shell. and blanton still only 6 of 16 quality starts remember.
Posted: 02:47 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan
Mark my words, Mark DeRosa is not the answer to the Phils left field question…if they get him by midseason we’ll all we wanting to run him out of town, and with our luck Happ will be having an all-star season with the Padres/Cubs
Posted: 02:50 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 mike mike
GWfighting Thank you. I have been saying that for the last 10 years. I still think Blanton was a cheap alternation to what was out there but they won even though he only gave them 6 quality starts out of 16 games but they scored a lot in the other games and won. it won’t happen again.
Posted: 02:52 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
And for the record, just because a guy is not pegged as a top flight prospect means nothing. Gavin Floyd, remember him? Gavin Floyd was supposed to be Cole Hamels but better…how did that turn out? Sure Floyd had a good year last year, against the AL which never saw him before. Believe it or not, that stuff matters. Kyle Kendrick exhibit A. I’ll take an unproven rookie like Happ over a proven bum like Marquis any day. Even if the Cubs paid his ENTIRE salary for next year which they won’t do.
Posted: 02:55 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Wait, what exactly Kyle Kendrick an exhibit of? He was never a highly regarded prospect, was lucky for a few starts in 2007, got bombed in the playoffs and was brutal this year. If anything, he’s an example of a fan base overrating their own prospect. But, I digress….
Posted: 02:58 PM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Gavin
Kendrick, Happ, Marson, and Donald for Peavy.
Posted: 02:59 PM on December 9, 2008