Odds And Ends: Mathieson, Arbitration, K-Rod
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, December 15, 2008 11:00 AM | Comments: 70
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A couple old notes to get us up to speed:
- The Phillies non-tendered pitcher Scott Mathieson, then re-signed him to a minor league contract.
Mathieson had no options remaining and was rehabbing from Tommy John surgery. Most of us originally thought Mathieson, 24, was finished as a Phillie, but he’ll try and rebound for 2010, maybe late 2009. The righty — who started eight games in the summer of 2006 for the Phils — always had great stuff, and most believed he could be a successful late-innings reliver. There’s still a chance.
- The Phillies re-signed Eric Bruntlett and Clay Condrey to one-year contracts.
Both avoided arbitration with these deals. Bruntlett will make $800K, and Condrey will make $650K. (Check out my offseason plan and see what I figured in 2009 money for Bruntlett and Condrey.) Good moves, too. Both were integral to the Phils success in 2008, and both in very overlooked roles. Bruntlett played almost everywhere, while Condrey simply turned in a couple big performances for a long man.
- New Mets’ closer Francisco Rodriguez says they’re the “team to beat” in 2009.
Alright, go ahead and be the team to beat. Seriously, this is just getting ridiculous now.

















Posts: 0 Mark T
I will borrow from a classic, “Major League”, to respond to K-Rod:
“I guess there’s only one thing left to do…win the whole damn thing!”
PS – You’re not the best closer in the division. Record setting season in likely the worst (or 2nd worst) division this past season.
Posted: 11:17 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 RK
Give KROD a break, he is right they are the team to Beat…Beat up on, and that the Phils will do
Posted: 11:22 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
i think K-Rod meant, “We are too the beat team!” – because that makes way more sense, they are so beat.
Posted: 11:25 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Id still rather have Brad Lidge, K-Rod hasnt proven anything at all in that fake division. He was way overused last year and the way he delivers the ball is too violent. Hes definitely primed for an injury or a letdown.
Posted: 11:28 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Maverick
I can’t wait til we can brand him “choKe Rod”. Shouldnt take too long.
Posted: 11:31 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Maverick
or “blown rod” that kinda has a ring to it
Posted: 11:34 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
I am thinking after he blows 2 or 3 saves vs the Phillies the fans will start chanting “slay rod” because that is what we will do. I can’t wait to see him throw a fastball for like his 20th pitch of the inning and his arm literally falls off.
Posted: 11:36 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Chase Mutley
K-Hole is my favorite.
Posted: 11:47 AM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Greg
k-rod actually never said the mets are the team to beat…the reporter asked him who he thinks will win the nl east this year..so he said the mets….i doubt hed answer with another team
Posted: 12:09 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I dont get all this talk about them making Park a starter…I think theyd keep looking for a starter to trade for or sign other than or including moyer. park seems to be a middle reliever to me..after all, they signed him to a relievers contract…i think its still hamels – myers – XXXXXX – blanton – happ/park/carrasco/kendrick
last year they signed chad durbin and everyone thought hed be a starter, he started in spring training, which park will, and then he lost out and got moved to the pen…same with this guy i think..
Posted: 12:15 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Justin
Chan Ho Park announced his signing with the Phillies in Korea to the press, saying it’s a 1 year 2.5 million with 5 mill in incentives. He’s probably Ryan Franklin revisited, they’ll give him a shot to compete for a starter spot but if he’s beaten out for a job in the rotation he’ll be a reliever. Don’t know how thrilled that really makes me.
Posted: 12:24 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
its just more pitching depth…if he makes the rotation, great, if not, then the bullpen gets more reenforcements..
Posted: 12:48 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 luis phillies phan
wow so that means hes going to be a starter well i guess we could forget lowe i really think the mets will get him…i really miss pat gillick this guy makes me throw up!!
Posted: 12:52 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
DAMN IT! We signed Chan Ho Park….!! Ahhhh
That means goodbye Derek Lowe??
We are not building a stronger team!!!
Posted: 12:55 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
they signed chan ho park so they can package him with brett myers in a deal to the reds for aaron harang.
Posted: 01:02 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Ben
geoff i hope your right.
word is that the muts might not be looking at lowe now, and the yanks are off lowe now too. would be a good time to make him a solid offer for 3 years, since the market is presumably shakey for him. who else is looking at lowe besides the mets and phils? the braves?
Posted: 01:03 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
“I was a little worried about the Citizens Bank Park, the home of the Phillies, which is hitter-friendly,” he said. “But as they considered me a starter, I signed with Philadelphia.”
I DO NOT WANT THIS GUY AS A STARTER…. I much rather see Kendrick. It just FEELS like a bad move.
Posted: 01:03 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
of course geoff is right. it’s the obvious reason they signed him. everyone knows he’s not a lock to start. if he shows good stuff this spring, then he makes the rotation, good for him. if not, put him in the pen – all is good.
Posted: 01:05 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
but like i said —- park and myers for harang. done deal.
Posted: 01:06 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Ben, the Braves are not looking at Lowe…
I think it’s up to the Phils and the Mets…. which just makes me HATE this move (signing Chan Ho Park)… And they apparently told the guy he’d be a starter… I highly doubt we’ll get Lowe now. Maybe Moyer at best.
Ugh, there was no need to get this guy!
Posted: 01:06 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Anyone that really ever thought Derek Lowe was going to come here instead of Boston, NY, or LA was, and is dreaming..
Park isn’t the world’s best pitcher, but he throws hard, I think he throws a sinker or a splitter.. and will be something like Chad Durbin last year… they’ll give him a shot to make the rotation, if he does, its because he out-pitched other guys.. and if not, then maybe they put him in the bullpen.
Its about signing players you think can help you, and giving yourself lots of options… they aren’t signing him to try to impress people, or scare the Mets or anything.. they are just addings players and then they’ll have more options when it comes time to name the 25-man roster. Can’t say I love the move to add him, but the more pitchers we have, the better
Posted: 01:07 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
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Posted: 01:09 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Justin
Hopefully if teams are backing off his price will lower so we can sign him for less than what he’s asking for.
Posted: 01:11 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Don M… according to you, why is it so hard for us to get a guy like Lowe, especially when his market value is shrinking and perhaps a 3-year deal could get it done? Why not go after Lowe when the Red Sox said they won’t go past 3 years, the Braves are not interested, the Yankees also lost interest… It’s not like we’re in a bidding war. We can definitely get Lowe if we go hard after him given the current cirmcumstances. And he fills the hole we have in our starting rotation, perfectly.
Why is it “dreaming”? Signing Lowe is dreaming but winning the World Series isn’t? We can definitely get it done… and signing Park greatly reduces our chances of signing him.
Posted: 01:14 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Aaron Harang was TERRIBLE last year… even when he came back and was “healthy” ….he was absolutely TERRIBLE.
Park will only be a starter if he earns it.. .and he would have to rock like a sub 3.00 ERA in the Spring and have everyone else be bad to make that happen.. He’ll be a long-man in the pen, and give them options to spot-start for a day-night doubleheader or something like that.. lets see what he’s got in the spring before we call this a bad move
Posted: 01:15 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
How the hell does signing Park for $1.5 M reduce our chances of getting LOWE?
The thing with Lowe is that if we think we can sign him for what we feel is a fair market deal… the teams that are losing intrest in him, will say if the Phillies can sign him for … $13 M…. we’ll offer him $14 M per season… and then the next team says… we’ll offer him $15 M per season..
I think he’ll get a 3 year deal somewhere in the area of $45 M… and I think thats too much to pay him.. Derek Lowe does not deserve to be the highest paid player on the Phillies for the next 3 years. If you can sign him at $12 per season, even that is overpaying, but leaves an extra $10 M or so around for arbitration raises, and stuff like that. I’m all for adding him to our rotation, and wanted him when he left the RedSox after ’04 because I think he’d be a great fit for our ballpark. But I don’t expect him to end up here, because teams with more money, and that are more stupid with their money need him even more than we do.. If the Mets let us get Derek Lowe… then Omar Minaya is the worst GM in history
Posted: 01:21 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
Why would we sign Park to trade him? Why wouldn’t the Reds just sign him themselves and trade Harang for Myers straight up? I would prefer to keep Myers over Harang but if they did make that trade I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Lowe is ABSOLUTELY obtainable and if the Phils don’t sign him I will consider it the single biggest mistake they made this off season. I would rather they had signed So Taguchi again to play Left and brought in Lowe than signed Burrell who I loved and then Chan Ho to be the 4th or 5th starter. Hamels, Myers, Blanton, Lowe and whoever would be a pretty awesome rotation. Hamels, Myers, Blanton, possible Moyer and whoever is not as scarey to me.
Posted: 01:22 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike T.
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Posted: 01:23 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Don M… we clearly value Lowe WAY DIFFERENTLY… I think that getting him from free agency for 3 years, 45M is a very good deal for our No.2 guy. So there’s no reason to argue any further. I’d be very dissapointed if the Phillies don’t make an offer at least equal to that amount.
Posted: 01:29 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 551 Brian Michael
“I selected Philadelphia because they are the World Series Champions and have high expectations for a playoff berth next season.”
“I was a little worried about the Citizen Bank Park, the home of the Phillies, which is hitter-friendly, but as they considered me as a starter, I signed with Philadelphia.”
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/12/136_36170.html
Posted: 01:30 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
well, Park is more versatile than Rudy Seanez. Hopefully Park becomes the 12th man in the pen. At least it’s a one-year deal. I think the Phils will re-sign Moyer and expect that to be enough.
Posted: 01:31 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 maxhole
today’s new yorker (biggest news paper in NY) has no mention of met’s desire for Lowe. their GM said last week that lowe’s price is too high. theyre looking at resigning oli perez, or picking up randy wolf. i’ll welcome either. an offer needs to be made, we’re the obvious contender
Posted: 01:33 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
especially because you KNOW the phillies wont overpay for lowe, so if they do sign him itll be for what they think is cheap…i agree that even 13-15mm for lowe for3 years is highly overpaying…if minaya takes the bait and offers more money and years than that then let him have it. he got suckered into offering more money and the mets will have more money committed than if they signed garland or traded for marquis like they tried to do last week..
free agency now should settle down once the big pitchers have gotten deals..lowe is the last and if he gets an insane deal then even people like garland will end up getting 12mm a year, which i ludicrous…
id rather see the phillies trade for a solid starter…these free agents are too expensive.. park is a borderline 5th starter/middle reliever, and he got 2.5mm.
Posted: 01:34 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 luis phillies phan
i Just read about how the mets are trying to pursue burell…this is not good!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 01:36 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
overpaying in years and money for lowe is exactly the type of mistake that a first year GM has to avoid…thats the obvious trap move…no way lowe stays this healthy forever…anyone remember job liebeR?
Posted: 01:36 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 OZ
Yanks are out of the Lowe stakes…gotta go after him now. Ibanez and Park IN, Burrell OUT, is hardly a noteworthy off-season for the World Champs.
Posted: 01:37 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
let them get burrell…who cares..itll take the mets a season or two to realize hes going to be a first baseban from here on out.
Posted: 01:37 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I just think that the salaries are getting so far out of hand.. that a #2 pitcher, a guy with a lot of innings on his arm the past few years (which is either a GREAT thing, or a risky thing) isn’t worth that much money.. A starting pitcher plays in about 35 games over the course of the season, so he’d be making as much money per start as Cole Hamels made all of last season…
That said, the market is what it is, and if that is what it takes to get a pitcher, then maybe you do have to pull the trigger, but I just think that making him the highest paid player on your team is what its going to take to land him.. and I don’t think he deserves to be the highest paid player on this team. And I really don’t think the Mets let us get him for anything close to his value, but then it becomes up to Lowe.. where do you want to play, and will a few extra million from the Mets be enough to keep you from signing here…
so i’m definitely not knocking the idea.. and it grows more realistic everday that he isn’t signed by someone else.. I just don’t want everyone to flip out if we don’t sign him because, I for one will be shocked if we get him
Posted: 01:38 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i agree…i know taht the phillies will make an offer, most liekly, at what they think is his value..but if/when he doesnt take it and takes an offer worth more money than people will FLIP out on here and talk about how theyre going to miss the playoffs again and etc etc when the rotation is already better than it was ,last year…
Posted: 01:40 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I dont care if the Mets sign Burrell because I don’t think he can hit Hamels or Myers… and I definitely don’t think he wants to play in NY and have all that added pressure after dealing with our fans.. He would be best suited for a nice laid-back AL team like the Rays
Posted: 01:40 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 RealMetsFan
All right this team to beat nonsense is getting ridiculous. If there is one team to beat it is the Philadelphia Phillies. They are the world series champs, period. Every team in the N.L will be gunning for you. The Braves have improved. The Mets have certainly improved. The Marlins are the same as are the Nationals. The Phillies have not improved maybe because there is no need for improvement? I don’t know. You guys already have a good team. Did they overachieve in 2008? I believe so, but it still doesn’t take away from the fact the the Phillies are world series champs. In a few years you won’t be the same team. Jimmy Rollins will sign a big contract with another team. Ryan Howard is destined to be a Yankee. Cole Hamels and Ryan Madsen will both be Mets, and Chase Utley will most likely be traded as the Phillies try to rebuild. Sorry but when your team is cheap this is what happens. So, enjoy the ride and hope you guys can win another world series in 2 years. After that the Phillies WILL be a different team.
Posted: 01:43 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i think the rays might have made him an offer already for 3 years 30mm..if they can get him for that then good for them..
Posted: 01:43 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Bloagie
1 year, 2.5 mil spells 5th starter, middle reliever to me. Lowe front has been quiet lately, he would make great 2
Posted: 01:44 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
I really do not see the Mets signing Burrell. I will put money on it now that Burrell goes to either the Giants or A’s. As for Lowe, I would love for him to be on the team but it does seem like his price might be to high. If I were the Phils I would go after Oli Perez….dude murdered the Phillies last year. 4-0 with an era like 0.35. I would sign him for the simple reason that he can’t hurt you if he is on the team. So what if he does little else, he is the 5th starter, left handed and dominate you, he is a lot better than Park is.
Posted: 01:45 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
ahaha…chase utley is signed for a while there champ, and jimmmy rollins is signed for 3 more years..
also..do you really think that cole hamels will be allowed to leave? theyre not THAT cheap..they know a staff ace when they see one and he wont be allowed to even sniff free agency…
ryan madson will NOT sign for the mets, because boras will market him as a closer because teams will need closers next year..the mets HAVE a closer, two actually, so madson has NO place there..thats so unrealistic…
thats the equivalent of saying the phillies will sign david wright next year even though hes not a free agent…come on man…thats weak
Posted: 01:46 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
you cant sign perez, because youd cause a coin toss between the mets and mariners for who gets your first round pick..and you cant risk letting the mets get it..perez is a type A who was offered arb
Posted: 01:48 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 RealMetsFan
Ok my mistake. 3 years
Posted: 01:48 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Don but your argument of not getting him because he’d be the most expensive player on your team is purely relative… We all know Howard’s, Utley’s, Hamels’ performances should be valued at more than 15M per year. If we were paying them 15M+ each year, then you’d think getting Lowe for 14M would be worth it? It’s the same guy, after all.
I’m just grateful that we have our stars more or less under control (financially) and given our circumstances, we can go after Lowe and sign him (even if we have to “overpay” a bit and becomes our most expensive player). Financially, we can do it. And for our team (sports-wise), it’s the best thing we could do.
Posted: 01:50 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Ed
I would still risk it, draft picks are never for sures. But that is me.
Posted: 01:55 PM on December 15, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
The Phillies window to win with their stars (Utley, Rollins, Howard, Hamels) is only 3 to 4 years. There are no superstars in the minors to replace these players and no first round pick this June. They should go for broke now and then rebuild once Howard leaves and Utley and Rollins decline
Posted: 02:01 PM on December 15, 2008