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I’m not a fan of trading 3 prospects/MLB ready players for Mark DeRosa, if we’re getting players there should be something other than a utility player who the Cubs are just trying to get rid of.

If the Twins are getting involved then is it possible that we are getting Delmon Young. I know people are down on him but the guy is 23 years old but Marquis and Young would be great with Mayberry waiting in the wings.

Now that the other New York Team wasted 160 million on their “ACE” is Derek Lowe in Red Pinstripes more likely? I mean, there is no way that the Yankees get all of those pitchers.

Finally does anyone know why the Phillies aren’t “kicking the tires” as they like to say with Ben Sheets.

I’m not a fan of DeRosa for 2 prospects either. If it were just one (Happ or Kendrick) it might work, but I don’t think all three are worth it for DeRosa.

On other news, did anyone else listen to WIP this morning around 9ish about Burrell’s situation??? Very interesting. Apparently, according to Seth Everett (that MLB.com guy) no team wants to give Burrell the contract he wants (3 yrs) and I guess Everett heard rumours that if he cannot seek a deal he wants he might settle with whatever Philly would offer. Anyone else hear it?

All i can do is laugh at him for thinking he’s better than he is, he’s gotta be pissed at his agent for telling him fairytales of better deals out there.

why the hell would you trade pitching prospects for an aging utility player? that is so stupid. i’m angry . i hope it doesn’t happen.

Kendrick and Jaramillo stink. Can we stop calling them “prospects”? Just because they are young doesn’t mean they are good. jaramillo is now our third best minor league catcher (behind Marson and D’arnaud). Happ is a projected 4th or 5th starter at best, but he does have some value.
But Kendrick and Jaramillo?? Stop overrating these guys, they’re not that good!

Last I checked Kendrick won at least 10 games each of his 2 years of MLB service, pretty decent for a kid no one heard of before last year.

Kyle Kendrick was never a highly rated prospect. He gave up a ton of baserunners in 2007 and somehow managed to not give up a ton of runs (luck). His luck ran out in the playoffs and he was awful in 2008.
Now, which do you think was a fluke? HIs entire career except for 3 months in 2007 or those 3 months in 2007?

Let’s be realistic here.

Chuck P, I think Pettitte is interesting. If he can be had on a one or two year deal, then let’s do it. I think we would all agree that we need to sign another starter.

A quick stat on Kendrick, he has given up 410 hits/walks in 277 innings in his major league career.

So can we not focus on his wins and focus on his underlying numbers? He’s not someone who should be “off limits” to other teams in a trade.

Griff… great stat. He’s not a SO pitcher… he does induce a lot of groundballs and double plays so those numbers will be high but his command has to be perfect. He really gets into trouble when he’s walking guys. In his first season, he did well because he had great control and limited his walks. Is he the KK we saw in 2007 or 2008… I think the latter is more likely (or something closer to that). An ERA in the 4′s good for 8-12 wins… not irreplaceable by any stretch of the imagination.

Pettite is 36 y/o… proven… certainly had a rough year by his standards (a lot of distractions) but I would take a 2 year chance on Pettite if he’s willing to lower his asking price. It seems like he’s off everyone’s radar. That must really piss off a future potential HOF’er.

To hell with derosa, we need out of that deal. focus on maybe getting burrell back. Add lowe and maybe petite. Thats our world series champions right there except with two more great pitchers.

I like the deal if we’re giving up EITHER Happ or Kendrick but not Kendrick and Jaramillo or Happ and Jaramillo unless we’re getting something on top of just DeRosa. I think he’ll be a good platoon in LF while Donald plays 2nd until Utley’s back.

i have an idea this trade never develops and we end up with Raul Ibanez…

Derosa is a good deal if it’s Kendrick and Jaramillo. Amaro still has to sign someone…..Moyer, Sheets, Lowe…..I dont mind going into next year with Happ/Carrasco competing for the #5 spot.

OZ, halladay would take our entire farm and then some….

Peavy has a no-trade clause and he will only go to Chicago if traded.

If this is an insurance policy, DeRosa is too expensive. Bruntlett could fill in if Utley is out at the begining of the season – which is impossible to know at this point. Why did we let Iguichi go again?? Wouldn’t he have been cheap? I would like this deal better if we wern’t giving up Happ, Kendrick, and Jarmillo. It should be one pitcher, and Jarmillo, not all three. Does anyone else feel like we’re getting screwed in this deal?

Only the Marquis de Sade could bear watching Jason Marquis pitch. He’s horrible. I wanna get back to the Delmon Young thing. Thats a guy I like.

The Dipsy

I think it is only ONE of those two pitchers + Jaramillo…. if its Kendrick + Jaramillo we’re making out like bandits

MP I think Iguchi went back to Japan

Anyone also consider that the Padres might also be trying to trade for younger, lower-level MLB guys like Bruntlett who will just keep the seats warm, as it were, for any of the Padres prospects who won’t be ready for a few years? They got prospects from the Khalil Greene trade, they probably got prospects from the Maddux trade, they get prospects from this trade…the thing is you can’t just start your MLB season with a bunch of prospects. You gotta start some guys somewhere, even if they suck, to give your minor league players time to develop. Greene is gone, so it would make sense for us to give up Eric Bruntlett to the Padres. Whatever they have won’t be ready, even if the Padres are getting or have already gotten really good pitching prospects, they might need a veteran guy to fill Peavy’s place until those prospects are ready…one year of Adam Eaton won’t hurt because they’re already going to suck and they’ll be fine with taking him if that means their prospects are given more time to develop. Right now the Padres have almost NO ONE with any MLB starting experience besides Chris Young and Peavy…so Kendrick’s probably gone because he’s had almost two years worth of experience. They idea is what will help the Padres, and what will help them most is having a guy with MLB experience to keep the seats warm until their prospects are ready. That’s what the Brewers did in 2004 and 2005.

Not sure if we give up Eaton, but we’re almost DEFINITELY giving up Bruntlett. The Padres traded Greene and they don’t have anyone to play shortstop. Most likely it’s Bruntlett and Kendrick, but Eaton’s a definite possibility by my logic.

I’m putting on all the lucky clothes I wore during the Phillies playoff run and praying that we’re somehow trading Adam Eaton and half his salary.

Yes Kendrick/Jaramillo for DeRosa is a decent deal but the Cubs make off with Peavy and the Padres with Vitters plus all the other prospects. If we ace the Cubs in a decisive series or in the play-offs their rotation is unstoppable and in the deal we made of with… DeRosa…

But, NJ, the priority is to make OUR team better. Getting DeRosa would enable us to fill the LF gap AND use the money to get at least Lowe. That makes the team better.

Of course, I’m assuming that if we DO make this trade, we would HAVE to upgrade our pitching by bringing in a guy like Lowe. If not, then it’s definitely not worth it.

This trade doesn’t make us significantly better, DeRosa’s appeal is his versatility in the field which is something the Phils don’t really need like some other teams. It doesn’t guarantee us a frontline pitcher and even less than a guy like Rivera does.

I like seeing Amaro getting in the mix but everyone else gets off well in this trade and the Phils get slightly better than we would have been anyway for making the Cubs the frontrunner in the NL.

I’m not worried about what makes the Cubs better, I’m worried about what makes the Phillies better. If the Phillies back out of the deal, the Cubs will find another trade partner.
Derosa for Kendrick and Jaramillo is a no-brainer.