Comments on: Report: Phillies Make Offer To Derek Lowe

By: Sviridov

Sviridov — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:15:59 +0000

Действительно интересно, а главное актуально!

By: Мобиль

Мобиль — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:40:37 +0000

Давно уже подобного не встречал.

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:14:23 +0000

I would be fine with $10 M guaranteed over 2 years for Moyer.. take his age out of it, and he’s worth over $10 M for one season.. Id say give him a little raise, and give yourself a team-option for a 2nd year, or 3rd year whatever you don’t guarantee him for. As long as he can pitch with an ERA under 4.50, and can help out your young guys along the way, he is worth a ton to this team

By: Chuck P

Chuck P — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:05:36 +0000

Love it… is that weshouldbegms.com?

To my man Dipsy…

Lowe is def an upgrade over Moyer… never said he wasn’t. If the opportunity cost of signing Lowe is losing Moyer AND paying $8 million more to get him, I’m not sure if I could do it. You are right… in a perfect world, we ditch Myers and keep Moyer/Lowe (and Alex Rios, like Derek says:-).

Moyer did not help Myers out of his funk; he’s too stubborn to listen to anyone… re-read that comment (I was saying that without Moyer, our young pitchers would be turning to Myers for advice and that’s a scary proposition…)

If Moyer made $3.5 in salary in $4.5 in bonuses then it’s a good deal for everyone (he obviously performed). That’s exactly what you want… you build in bonuses so that players will elevate their play. If he’s willing to come back for a similar deal (certainly not the $10 million guaranteed that you said… but something like $5 million with bonuses), I would be ok with that.

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:04:50 +0000

I just forgot the fact that all of this revolves around us landing Derek Lowe first… which just won’t happen, too many other teams with bigger payrolls than us need him more than we do, and will spend more to get him than we will.

Ruben Amaro said to Gary Papa that he thought Lowe was going to go back to the RedSox too

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:02:17 +0000

Do the Blue Jays have anyone that can play OF ..in the waiting? Would they be OK with losing Burnett and then Myers in back to back years, and settling for the draft picks they recieve? Halladay won’t be there forever, I can’t imagine that they want to let a bunch of pitching go, and I find it hard to believe they would want Myers as their big free agent acquisition if they would decide to keep him next season.

Too much of that doesn’t add up.. I would be on cloud 9 if it happened though

By: Derek

Derek — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:21:32 +0000

Just found this on We Should Be GMs, but it was kinda nice to think about…. We sign Lowe then trade Brett Myers and Jason Donald to Toronto for Alex Rios…..never gonna happen, but it’s tough to argue with
Hamels, Lowe, Blanton, Moyer, Happ/Carrasco
Rollins, Utley (when he comes back), Rios, Howard, Werth, Victorino, Feliz, Ruiz/Coste/Marson

By: NJ

NJ — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:37:23 +0000

I just have to say don’t get your hopes up guys, the Phils are in the game with Lowe and that’s all you can ask. We know his agent, preference to go back to Boston and he’s apparently not at all fond of CBP. The offers there and it’s up to him now.

I just hope we don’t loose Moyer, Dispy he is some kind of Yoda. He brings a level of professionalism that has radiated through the staff and Cole, Kendrick, Blanton have all picked up on the little things Moyer does and it’s important not to loose that.

By: Luigi

Luigi — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:59:06 +0000

I have been reading this blog for two years. It is a great outlet for Phillies fans to vent, celebrate and ponder. My wish last last year was Schilling, Lowell and Rowand and we know how that turned out. Just like last year
I will put my faith in Ruben to do the right thing. He speaks with PG daily
and that can’t be a bad thing. After all we are the WC Phillies.

By: peasant

peasant — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:31:36 +0000

what pete said ^^

By: Manny

Manny — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:23:23 +0000

As for the mystery team that also made an offer to Lowe (and it’s not the Red Sox nor the Yankees)…. my gut tells me it’s the Mets. The Braves, who are also interested, already have a juicy offer for Burnett.

It’s gonna be very interesting to see this one play out. LETS GET LOWE!

By: Manny

Manny — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:50:01 +0000

As Pete said, Lowe is a HUGE upgrade

By: Gavin

Gavin — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:25:35 +0000

Just sign CC, KRod, Manny and be done with it already. Screw Lowe.

Dipsy, you are annoying…….but I appreciate that you at least realize it. :)

By: Tom G

Tom G — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:39:54 +0000

With the actions of the Braves, Amaro realizes that the status quo will not be enough in the eyes of the Phily phaithful…bringing Lowe in as the #2 affords a quality pitcher, who with his sinker, adds to the Home Field effect.
It affords the additional advantage to place a rook in the 5th slot with confidence we can inter-change if necessary (based upon success) JA HAPP, Carrasco, and Kendrick.
Happ becomes the strong 5th man, with Lowe over Moyer, allowing JA to be the second lefty as opposed to a 3rd…
Finally, the addition of Lowe brings a true stopper to go with Cole…benefiting the team from long skids…crucial in road series cruch time. One stopper is not enough…and Lowe can bring additional help to bouy Myers if they choose to keep him, instead of trading him. I would agree, that Myers becomes trade bait to bring in prospects…b/c of the class A FA signing…GO PHILS

By: KM

KM — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:37:01 +0000

If they sign Lowe, they will probably go cheap in left field. They may even just platoon who they currently have under contract.

By: MadSon

MadSon — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:22:10 +0000

I would love to see them sign Moyer and Lowe to round out the rotation and then in a couple months see where Schilling is and maybe bring him in to work out of the Pen.

By: Pete

Pete — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:01:48 +0000

Put another (and shorter) way: is Moyer worth $8MM per for two years if he pitches like his 2007 self (5.01 ERA, 92 ERA+, 1.45 WHIP)? I think not. And I think it’s far more likely that we see THAT Moyer than the 2008 version.

If Lowe pitches like his 2005-08 self he’s absolutely worth $15MM per. And there’s no reason to expect him to drop off in any significant way – he’s a sinker/control guy with no injury history. Barring a catastrophe, he should pitch well into his early 40s.

By: Pete

Pete — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:56:36 +0000

Derek Lowe:
ERA+ 2005-08: 114, 124, 118, 131
WHIP 2005-08: 1.25, 1.27, 1.27, 1.13
FIP 2005-08: 4.16, 3.68, 3.97, 3.26

Jamie Moyer:
ERA+ 2005-08: 98, 104, 92, 118
WHIP 2005-08: 1.39, 1.32, 1.44, 1.33
FIP 2005-08: 4.40, 4.95, 4.93, 4.32

I like Moyer a lot, and he was huge for the Phillies last year. But to say that it would be preferable to sign Moyer over Lowe is a bit ridiculous, even given the salary disparity. Historically, there really isn’t any precedent for a 46-year-old to put up numbers even close to what Moyer did last year, so all signs point to a significant decline from that level of production. Even based on recent statistical trends, it’s clear that Lowe is a significantly better pitcher. Plus, in terms of setting the rotation, Lowe is a legit #2 starter; Moyer is a 4/5 guy at this point.

If the Phils can sign Lowe to a 3-4 year deal at $12-16MM per year, that’s the right move, even if it means we can’t re-sign Moyer. Personally, I’d be partial to Dipsy’s idea of signing Lowe and Moyer then moving Myers for a LF, assuming Amaro could swing such a deal.

Bottom line – signing Lowe upgrades the pitching enough that the Phils won’t need to worry too much about how they replace Burrell in LF. Signing Moyer instead means that LF is a big-time priority, because we won’t have upgraded the pitching to compensate for the loss of Burrell’s offense.

By: maxhole

maxhole — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:32:22 +0000

dip, what are you going to be called when lowe zips his blue striped pants up?

By: psujoe

psujoe — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:23:21 +0000

Suppossedly Cashman was suppossed to meet with Boras today. Derek, we hardly knew yah.