Report: Phils Gunning For Both Moyer And Lowe
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, December 09, 2008 12:33 AM | Comments: 28
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SI.com’s Jon Heyman is reporting the Phillies are being “very aggressive” in trying to land both Jamie Moyer and Derek Lowe. I actually bring this up in the Nation Minute, which you’ll see tomorrow morning (if the Phils were to acquire Mark DeRosa, they’d likely spend almost all of their money on pitching).
Heyman adds the Phils likely offered Moyer a 2Y/$14M contract, but Moyer wants $18M over two years.
Posts: 0 Geoff
Nice…If they can land DeRosa, that clears the way for Hamels-Myers-Lowe-Blanton-Moyer as a rotation with Carrasco the first man up. that is a VERY solid rotation assuming theyre all healthy. very solid.
Posted: 12:43 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i would still keep an eye on tims caveat about myers, thats a definitely possibility. what if you can get a young mlb ready starter for myers from someone? you gotta take that deal..
Posted: 12:44 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Robbi P
I would rather have Happ then Marquis but if the Phillies sign Lowe and Moyer we would be set. These rumors are at least interesting and I find it rather funny that they change every hour. It went from Phillies third party to Phillies gunning for peavy back to Phillies third party. I would not be surprised if the Phillies don’t have any involvement in the Peavy trade. Let the madness that is Winter Meetings begin.
Posted: 12:45 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 NEPA
This is finally starting to get interesting. I’d love that rotation that Geoff laid out but Lowe would be the #2 probably right? Doesn’t really matter. Love to hear the Phils are being aggressive.
Posted: 12:47 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 NEPA
And 2 years/18 Mil for Moyer? Come on Jamie. Let’s calm it down a bit.
Posted: 12:49 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 metsblow4show
Split the difference with Jamie and get him in here at 2 years/ 16mil and then go after Lowe, that would be the best rotation in baseball. If we can bring in Mark DeRosa in the Cubs/Padres Peavy deal, then we could deal Donald and maybe Kendrick to the Twins for Young and we would be all set for a repeat.
Posted: 01:50 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 NEPA
We would possibly have the 2nd best rotation in baseball – Peavy, Dempster, Zambrano, Harden and Lilly is just unbelievable.
Posted: 02:26 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC
Ok, how about 2 years, $14M WITH incentives (up to $14M). That would give him what he wants if he performs.
Look, I am all for Moyer AND Lowe. I admit I am not a huge fan of Burrell, as much as I would love to see Pat sign, but this would be a much better pick than Moyer and Burrell. I know, I don’t understand it either.
Posted: 02:52 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC
Geoff,
Best rotation I can think of as well…
Posted: 02:53 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC
It is late, I meant to write under my Jamie Moyer post:
Ok, how about 2 years, $14M WITH incentives (up to $4M). That would give him what he wants if he performs.
I really have to learn to proofread. I do it so much in graduate work that I forget to do it here.
Posted: 02:55 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the cubs rotation of peavy dempster zambrano harden lilly is, on paper, a bit better than a phillies rotation of hamels lowe myers blanton moyer, but out lineup without burrell, with derosa, is still better than theirs AND our bullpen even without an extra free agent arm or two, that we will add anyway, is still better….the phillies are still the team to beat should they focus on pitching this offseason and shore up their rotation and bullpen. i think thats the right thing to do and amaro seems to be saving the money for pitching…
Posted: 03:00 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Pete
F the Cubs – they need to cough up more than DeRosa for us to facilitate them getting Peavy…if they had a 3-team deal set with the Padres and Orioles it would have happened two weeks ago. Towers is desperate to trade Peavy. If we get less than DeRosa and Vitters then Amaro is a clown.
Posted: 06:37 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Colin_K
Why don’t the Phils just cut the Cubbies out of the picture and acquire Peavy themselves? He’s signed for less than what it would take to get Lowe, and if the prospects are coming from the Phils what is the point in having them involved? DeRosa could be acquired in a separate deal (although if they manage to steal Peavy from them, they probably wouldn’t deal with the Phils)…
Posted: 09:52 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
I really like this news… I’m happy the Phillies are being aggressive, especially with Lowe.
Posted: 10:13 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
are you F*cking kidding me? you guys are overvaluing peavy, first of all. the cubs are overpaying out the wazoo for him because ITS NOT JUST DEROSA… its deorsa and liek5 other guys…theyll have no bullpen when this trade is over…this is a abd trade for the cubs to make, theyll have a great rotation but NO OF depth and NO RP depth.
Posted: 10:22 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Jeff Samardzjizasjza or however you spell his name.. along with Carlos Marmol is a pretty good back end of the bullpen. Marmol is NASTY, and Samd throws mid to high 90s with a ton of movement too..
When Heyman says that he “thinks” we offered 14/2.. but Moyer wants 18/2 (does he KNOW that Moyer wants that, or is that also part of what he THINKS?)
I said yesterday before I had any idea what he was asking that 16/2 or 18/2 is definitely a fair deal for Moyer… think about how good he was last year, and he could have been a 20 game winner, but like Hamels, lost a couple of 2-1 games and stuff. If you want to keep Moyer, you have to pay him what he’s worth..
Posted: 10:27 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yeah but rich harden cant go past 6 innings on a good day…zambrano gets hurt ALL THE TIME, lilly is a fraud and cant go 7…marmol and samardjia are a good 8-9 combo…but, the cubs have gregg, who blows saves/leads all the time, and no kerry wood. who is the 6/7 inning guy? wuertz? might be in ther trade..hart? trade, marshall? trade.
two fo those three guys will be gone probably…
teh cubs are “intensely” in negotiations to overpay and cripple their payroll by signing milton bradley, according to mlbtr…theyre lining up to do allt he flashy, overrated moves for flashy, overrated players that DONT win you the WS….
Posted: 10:32 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
the biggest flashy move that worked out and directly led to a team winning a WS the following season was the lidge deal, other than taht i cant recall many..
Posted: 10:33 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Harden is the same guy that you would have given your left nut for last year at the trade deadline, and I we had forty nine conversations about how he wouldn’t stay healthy.. BUT… I did admit that when healthy.. he is 100% filthy.
Zambrano is too out of shape to stay healthy, and got muscle cramps and stuff from drinking too much RedBull last year.. finely tuned athlete he is.
Lilly is good, and I’d want him on my team anyday..
But the Cubs are at a desperate point now.. 100 years without a championship, and they are trying to be the Yankees..Let them overspend, but I would HELP them by allowing them to get Peavy… IF any 2 of Harden, Peavy, or Zambrano stay healthy.. the Cubs run away with the NL next year
Posted: 10:40 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
Yeah I really didnt realize just HOW un-durable harden is…i didnt reallky get a chance to watch him and pay attn to his health until he went to the cubs…scouting…
id bank on dempster and peavy to stay healthy….the cubs are depserate though, very desperate…
the thing that turned me around was that the blanton move turned out to be the right move..they didnt panic or get desperate like the cubs and yankees…they just stuck to their guns and their homegrown stars and it worked..that showed me while you do need the pitching, you dont have to get all desperate and give up your elft nut (which is exactly what the cubs are doing right now) for somebody
Posted: 10:54 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
i view it as, the phillies are getting in on the fleecing of the cubs in this thing…might as well try to grab derosa and possibly a bullpen arm while youre at it…swoop in there, get what you need, and then get outta there before they know what happened.
amaro could prove to be pretty slick if this works out..
Posted: 10:56 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I think Amaro is going to be a good GM.. he’s been aroung long enough.. and he’s seen both the good and the bad of Ed Wade… he’s seen how Pat Gillick’s philosophy of adding puzzle pieces instead of just getting a new puzzle is the right way to go. He got to watch that all from up close.
I think Arbuckle leaving hurts, but Chuck Lamar is going to help for personnel.. we should be looking at a few good years of Phillies baseball. but you can’t trade away your pitching to plug a hole in LF for 2 years.. its not a smart move.. If Vitters is involved, it might be a very good move.. but I can’t see the Padres not asking for him in return.. why would they only want Happ and Coste???
Posted: 11:02 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yeah hes gotta learn that…tahts correct.the key is becoming lowe actually..this only works if you sign lowe…lowe buys you time. moyer can maybe go for another year or two: ok. myers might be gone after this year..ok then carrasco comes up..so basically lowe gives you a few years to bring up two, three, four, good young starters up to AA/AAA to compete with each other for sports in the rotation…
Posted: 11:13 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
but im warming up to amaro..he seems aggressive and fairly slick. something his predecessors sometimes lacked..although, gillick was slick, but he was so slick we didnt know it until they won a world series…
Posted: 11:14 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
He was asleep at the wheel again when we won the World Series…
Posted: 11:25 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
yeah he was…he passed a lotta cars while he was asleep though…
Posted: 11:27 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Mike B.
Hopefully it will take awhile for the Cubs to find their new owner so we’ll have time to sign Lowe, because everyone seems to agree that they’d rather do that than trade away Happ only to find out later that, wait, we AREN’T getting a top-rated starting pitcher.
At some point we have to give up on Moyer, especially if Lowe signs elsewhere (probably with the Mets). Because if the Happ/Coste/Derosa trade goes down and Lowe signs somewhere else, we can only wait so long before we HAVE to sign the rest of our starting pitching. And I don’t think we’ll know how much Lowe will take until CC signs somewhere, because that’ll probably determine the value of the pitching market.
Posted: 11:31 AM on December 9, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
get Lowe.
Posted: 12:20 PM on December 9, 2008