Comments on: Report: Phils Still In Mix For Lowe

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By: David

David — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:24:10 +0000

“All Mets fans would rather have Reyes over Rollins, because they are dumb…and show go back to their Mets blog”- Another fine example of fan bias making a person sound like a middle schooler. Instead of using any facts to support your argument, you just insult people. Yes, Rollins is the better fielder. He has won more gold gloves and had a better fielding percentage than Reyes last season. However, Rollins, the “very good hitter” has a career .277 BA, has never had an OBP above .350, and has a career OBP of .333. By comparison, Reyes has a career BA of .287, OBP of .336, and has had an OBP greater than .350 three times in the last three years. Rollins’ best seasons have been 2004-2007, when he was 25-28. Reyes has been good since the 2006 season when he was 22. Logic would dictate that Reyes, like most non HGH baseball players, would improve during the next 5 years (baseball players prime years). So, yes, I would take Reyes over Rollins. He is younger than Rollins by 5 years, and is a better hitter than Rollins was at the same age. But I guess that makes me dumb. And trying to have an intelligent discussion with people doesn’t mean that your a bitter person, Mike T. If anything, I am surprised by the lack of sports based responses from some people on this site. I was hoping to engage in some good back and forth and instead I keep getting comments that border on juvenile at best. Don’t hate.

By: Mike T.

Mike T. — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:37:02 +0000

david is sooooooo bitter.

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:30:12 +0000

All Phillies fans would rather have Rollins, because he’s EXCELLENT with the glove, and a very good hitter.

All Mets fans would rather have Reyes over Rollins, because they are dumb…and show go back to their Mets blog

By: David

David — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:38:47 +0000

Dipsy, I explained why I thought reyes was not a punk on or off the diamond. Howard is not top two in mvp voting every year, I think your confusing him with Albert Pujols (hes the first baseman for the St. Louis Cardinals). Its ok, it happens with Philly fans. They think their first baseman is the best in the league. Now, granted, Howard has been top two twice. And that is two more times than any current Met. But my argument isnt that Howard was undeserving of his MVP. Its that his hitting skills, not power skills, but hitting skills have been diminishing year by year. Put down the koolaid for a minute and youd be able to read what Im saying without going blind with rage. And why is it that any time a philly fan gets engaged by a mets fan in conversation the end of the conversation ends up with the philly fan using the term “muts”? Is it ignorance? Frustration? Its like watching a little kid tell someone that they have koodies and then run away.

By: Memphis

Memphis — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:38:17 +0000

Yeah, 3 for 36 is all Lowe has to choose from? Need to give Lowe an honest offer if that’s really the only/best offer out there. To let Lowe just go to New York (as I feared all along) for that is almost irresponsible. Rube said pitching is the priority this offseason. Did that really mean Moyer, Park, Maj, Neal?

As for this Phillies vs Mets stuff, both are good teams, you can match ‘em up on paper every day until April, won’t mean anything until the games count. Mets should be better (just from having a better bullpen). Phils should also be better (full year of Blanton, experience, possibly Ibanez as well), though Utley has to be a concern. No guarantees for either team to be as good as they were in ’08 as both teams have risks and questions. Lowe would help either team. The division will be decided by health, pitching, and guts down the stretch. (One of these years, you have to think the Mets won’t yack.) All that said, I’d much rather have Lowe than go against him. His value may be the highest in front of the Phils infield. For weeks, we thought 3/45 would probably not be enough, now 3/40 might seal it. I wonder if Lowe would take 1/15 (with a player option for a second year at the same rate should he achieve certain triggers) and re-assess his chances for a longer deal a year from now. He’s a horse.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:35:09 +0000

Dear David:

I must admit that it is heartwarming to hear that Reyes takes care of his “extended” family. I also concede that he probably helps underprivileged children, reads the classics, and is currently working on a cure for cancer. I would like you to explain to me how all those things translate to the baseball diamond. Howard a “lousy hitter in general”. Well if he is a lousy fielder, which we know, AND he’s “a lousy hitter in general”, then someone will have to explain to me why is he always in the top 2 in the MVP every year. As I see your staff now, you’re Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Moe, and Curly. You can point out everything you want about how “we did this good but you’ll do it bad this year” or “your guy can’t be counted on to do THAT again” but when its all over but the crying, the Mets just can’t win. What talent. Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Delgado. I’d rather have your nucleus than ours quite frankly. But here’s what our team has produces that the Mets don’t. The clutch hit. The great fielding play. The timely well pitched game. Pitching out of jams. Quite simply, the Phillies are more than the total sum of its parts. And the Mets are less than theirs. Thats probably the only thing that separates the two. As the rock band America used to sing “Oz never did give nothin to the tin man that he didn’t already have”. Keep on clickin those red shoes Muts fans.

Sincerely,

The Dipsy

Lowe 3y36m to the Mets? Get on that damn phone Amaro.

By: David

David — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:51:09 +0000

Dipsy, I would absolutely take Reyes over Rollins. I understand Rollins is the better defensive player, but I dont think Reyes is a “punk” like you do. I understand other team fans dont like him bc he’s not a zombie out there. I get it, he celebrates and this upsets people. Every team has celebrations. Every team breaks the “unwritten” rules of baseball when it comes to celebrating. Whether its a power hitter staring at a homerun as they leave the batters box, or a centerfielder catching fly balls underhand. Sometimes people are trying to “show up” other teams/players, but I really dont think Reyes is trying to do that. I truly believe that he is just an energetic player who gets excited about playing a game. Id hate to think that getting excited about playing a game makes you a punk. And this punk, as you call him, is a decent human being who supports the majority of his extended family, and lives in a modest home with his entire nuclear family and wife. As to Delgado vs. Howard. Howard is a great power hitter, but a very lousy hitter in general. I get that he is your golden boy and to insult him is to declare jihad. But face it, he is starting down the road to being Adam Dunn with these strikeout totals and low BA. I think hes still an elite talent, but lets not act like hes Pujols. Our starting pitching is only 3 deep at the moment, so to say that they are crap after our top 2 is basically saying that you think John Maine is crap. And not to start a whole new argument, but how is it that the Phillies rotation is great, outside of Hamels? Hes good, I get that, but Myers had like a 4.50 era didnt he? Moyer is a solid six inning pitcher. Blanton had a 4.69 era last year, 4.20 after the trade. Its your bullpen that is the real story. They masked terrible starts by Eaton and Myers earlier in the year, and continued to help Blanton and others when necessary as the year went on. They kept you in close games, and locked down every lead given them. If the mets had a bullpen that was 85 percent what yours was last year, Santana wouldve won 20+ and the mets wouldve won the division by 2 or 3 games. The Phillies are the champs, I get that, but I think if you look at these points more objectively, youd see that they are not that far off point.

By: bigbobster

bigbobster — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:12:04 +0000

From Peter Gammons: “…Mets claim their baseball operations will not be harmed by the Bernie Madoff scandal, even though Madoff handled some of the revenues the Mets put aside to fund deferred contracts and some other payments.” Wow. A Ponzi scheme impacting baseball. Anyway, back to Lowe: I don’t like the Phils locking in 35-year old pitcher for 13m to 15m per year. Save that money for home-grown products like Hamels and Happ. Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but choose chemistry over big name signings! Except for Arizona (01) and Sox (04 version), last 10 WS winners had home-grown talent anchoring four or five positions.

By: The Dipsy

The Dipsy — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:07:30 +0000

David….Jimmy Rollins is the best fielding shortstop in baseball and a leader in addition to his stats. Reyes has great stats and acts like a, well, I don’t think “punk” is innacurate. Rollins is a man, Reyes….a child. Tell me something, if you had to start your team right now to play with for the next five years, who would ya take? I thought so. Delgado…now there’s a man. He steps up. Love the guy. But to compare him to Howard in any way, shape, or form is foolhardy. You have two starting pitchers and the rest are crap. Ruiz is a better player then Schneider (isn’t he the super from “One Day at A Time?) Other than the aforementioned, I thought you made some rather salient points.

Sincerely,

The Dipsy

By: David

David — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:25:04 +0000

Sorry, I forgot to take off the portion that I cut from NJ’s post. I had to paste it so I wouldnt have to keep scrolling up to see what it was.

By: David

David — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:23:16 +0000

I know its difficult for some people to have a civilized discussion with fans of opposing teams, but I shall try nonetheless. NJ, how can you really believe that the Phillies are better in every aspect then the mets except for 3rd base? Yes, I know you are the world champs, but you won the division by 3 games. If you were better in every aspect but one, you would think youd win by double digits, and lead the division from pillar to post. The mets rotation is incomplete right now, so as of now Id agree that the Phillies are better. Its up for reevalution once the mets fill out their rotation. The Phillies bullpen was perfect last year. I see no reason that they could hope it would happen again. It is so rare for a bullpen to be perfect, no right minded fan could really believe they wont make mistakes/blow games this season. The mets added two studs, a solid middle reliever in sean green, and they removed a terrible reliever in heilman. Yes, losing smith could hurt, but not if green is the same pitcher. Therefore, I dont see any reason why the bullpens of each team cant be a wash. As far as the position players go, How is catcher an advantage for the phils? Ruiz batted .219 with 4 HR and 31 RBI in 117 games. Schneider is no Bench, but he at least hit over .250 with 9 HR and 38 RBI in 110 games. So catcher, I would say, goes to the mets. First Base is closer than you think. Howard had 10 more HR, and 31 more RBI. Howards OPS was .881, Delgado’s .871. Delgado struck out 75 FEWER times than Howard and had 11 fewer errors. I would give the advantage to Phils at first. Second, no argument at all, Utley is the best in the league. Shortstop isnt that close. Reyes is better than Rollins. Rollins was inferior to Reyes in almost every statistic. HR, Runs, RBI, BA, OBP, OPS, HITS, SB, 3B. Rollins may have been a different player 2 years ago, but he wasnt that player at all last year. 3B is obviously Wright. LF, Ibanez should be better than the platoon the mets have. CF, Beltran hands down. RF, Werth was better than Church for the season, but Church did have a concussion. If Church is healthy, this seems like a wash. Im sure that most/all of you philly fans who read this will be up in arms and angry bc I didnt say every philly is an all star, but I believe this is the objective/real evaluation of our teams. Both are good. Yours seems to be better in September, when it counts. Hopefully this rivalry will stay good for years to come.

rotation: Phillies
bullpen: still the Phillies because of the quality in depth once you get past the closer and primary SU men which is a toss-up
catcher: Phillies
1st: Phillies
2: Phillies
short: toss-up
3rd: Mets
outfield: Phillies a Beltran doesn’t count as a whole outfield
bench: Phillies
in the system: Phillies

By: NJ

NJ — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:47:35 +0000

Don I agree with your thinking but the Dodgers aren’t exactly the model of a patient franchise and their loosing 5 established veteran pitchers and counting on Jason Shmidt to be able to take a roster spot.

I’d like to see Lowe in Philly pinstripes though for the above reasons I’m wondering if it’s not just Boras that has kept him on the market but something else. Food for thought.

By: Don M

Don M — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:34:15 +0000

Dodgers have Billingsley, Kershaw, and a bunch of young, underpaid position players.. that will make lots and lots more money in the years to come.

They know that the market for Lowe will overpay dramatically, no matter who signs him, he’s still getting $14, 4 years or something like that after teams bid with one another.. he isn’t worth that so the Dodgers are being smart

By: NJ

NJ — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:27:21 +0000

The thing I’ve started wondering about is why don’t the Dodgers want Lowe back, considering they haven’t re-signed Manny their not that cash-strapped… Considering they’ve lost pitchers off their staff creating a void do they know something we don’t…?

By: Phils Are joedaddy

Phils Are joedaddy — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:13:26 +0000

I think i’d rather have a focused Myers on the last year of a contract than Lowe on the first year of a 3 or 5 year contract.

By: Woodman

Woodman — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:21:55 +0000

I agree with you, Chuck P. The very idea that the Phils are scared of the MUTS is laughable. What do the Phillies have to fear from a bunch of underachievers who choke at the sight of the finish line. Muts & Cowgirls… two peas in a pod!

By: Chuck P

Chuck P — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:47:59 +0000

“How about all those morons in LA with the dredlock Manny-wigs now.. assclowns.” Too much…

I would love to see the numbers that Manny could put up hitting in CBP every night and there was a time when I thought he might be a great fit… it’s just too bad he’s such an *insert explicative here* with a chump for an agent.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:26:32 +0000

those wigs will look real good when theyre in the stands watching adam dunn or bobby abreu play left field.