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Yuck the Fankees

If the Yanks are going to 4 guarunteed years on Lowe then it would be a perfect time to try and back-door a 2 year deal with Sheets before teams like the Astros and Rangers turn on him.

It’s going to take a real blinder from Amaro to sign Lowe without making a bad deal.

And this is why we need salary caps in baseball. The Yankees are going to scoop up CC, Lowe, Sheets, and Burnett and have an epic rotation and move Joba back to set-up man role to get ready for closer once Mariano retires.

Lowe can come here.. be a big fish in a small pond… or go there, and just be another player on the All-Star team that somehow misses the playoffs..

his choice

Money can’t buy much then… buying big names is way different than putting together a winning team. A-Rod alone makes more than Hamels, Victorino, Werth, Burrell, and Ruiz combined…..

As the Yankees prepare to ask the city of New York for more tax free bonds to build their stadium, they pay $160 million to Sabathia and $66 million to Lowe.

So as a New Yorker, I’m helping pay for the stadium and watching them sign every free agent under the sun. Just disgusting

Crazy… they really want to buy a team that can win a championship for the opening year of the new Yankee stadium.

There is a going to be a point where even die hard Yankee fans are going to balk at paying ridiculous tickets prices. Especially in this current economy.

This was the Phillies’ big splash. Amaro may talk about the Phils being interested in other pitchers, but none of the other pitchers are of Lowe’s caliber. As MA Phanatic says, this makes it a near certainty that Jamie Moyer returns.

Personally, I’d see if Ben Sheets were interested in a 2-year deal with a vesting option for a third year. But we all know that’s unlikely.

I went to Yankee Stadium 2 years ago and the tix price was a few bucks less than my Phillies tix. The seats were a little higher up, but not much. It sounds like they are charging an arm and a leg for tix in the new stadium. At some point people will stop showing up.

I hope and pray that we don’t start talking about Burnett… I would rather take a chance on 2 or 3 years of Ben Sheets; even if you have to keep him on a 5 or 6 inning limit and bring up a 6th pitcher to aid the bullpen (like the Cubs did with Harden…). I’m really not interested in Burnett… I could be wrong but I don’t think he’s worth it ($$).

Jamie Moyer is smiling somewhere; you are correct.

I’m no economic genius……but doesnt it have to hit an overall ceiling at some point? I mean, a handful of players making huge dollars is relatively doable, but everyone that outplays their original contract is getting big to huge $$. It has to hit a ceilig at some point.

Georgie – a bit unrealistic to call the Phillies a lower payroll team. They had over 100m payroll last year

As for the Yankee’s they’ve spent the 00′s buying the best and not winning championships.

I am a little surprised that CC went to the Yankees but can’t blame him for taking that amount of guaranteed money. I mean, wow, that is a ton of dough to turn down. But this situation reminds me of the Rangers outbidding bascially themselves for A-Rod and we all know how that turned out.

Losing out on Lowe for the money is disappointing but nothing that is a huge loss for us. If he does go to the Yanks, then we will probably go hard after Moyer and get him resigned. I am not high on Sheets for the amount of money he will probably ask for. He has never made it through a full season uninjured I believe.

And if CC and Lowe join the Yankees- that takes out two All-star pitchers from the NL which benefits all of us. I think Burnett will sign in ATL but I am not convinced of that either. We should see if we can convince Peavy to pitch in Philly if a starter is that high of a priority.

I have NO PROBLEM with our starting rotation being the same as last year.. it proved to be more than enough. Hopefully with Carrasco, Savery, Drabek in the coming years, they can reaplace Myers, Moyer etc when their Phillies days are over..

Who knows if that plan would work or not though

Don M, it won’t work for 2009. Starting pitching was the weakest part of our team this year. We cannot bet on making the playoffs again with the same rotation.

Thanks Griffin, that makes sense.

With Blanton and Happ (or maybe Carrasco) for a whole season, instead of Eaton and Kendrick for like 50 starts… I’d say thats already a big improvement, yea you can always improve even if you are the best

but just adding names for the sake of adding them doesn’t make the team any better.. and if its going to take $17 M and 4 years to sign Lowe.. I think they should let someone else do that

I’m not thrilled with this deal… I’m not thrilled about helping the Cubs get Jake Peavy and we are the odd man out in this deal… not building for the future, not getting the A-list player. We’re just kind of there to help the deal get done… the nice guys (and we know where they finish). Aren’t we the World F*ing Champions??

One name that we have kind of written off is Andy Pettite… I mean, at 36 y/o the guy is younger than the other players on our wish list (Lowe is 37 and Moyer has already filed for Medicare). His cred took a hit because he admittedly used HGH but I respect him for admitting it. He had a poor season last year; understandably so amidst all of the distractions (he lost one of his good friends, he lost a lot of respect and gained a huge black mark). No one seems to want to take a chance… he might be a cheaper option and he might be out to prove something.

yankees just made a deal with sabathia

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-sabathiayankees121008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&expire=1

If the Yankees want to overspend like this, let them pay the luxury tax and watch them field another team that looks like worldbeaters on paper, but can’t put together a playoff team. If the Yankees actually won since 2000, maybe I’d be more outraged.

How many times has someone gone to the Yankees, only to underachieve big time? Pavano, Randy Johnson, Vasquez. The list goes on.

By the way, the Phillies went 3-0 in playoffs games started by Lowe and Sabathia.

“By the way, the Phillies went 3-0 in playoffs games started by Lowe and Sabathia.”

Matt, that’s because the Phils and the crowd were simply outstanding…not because Lowe and Sabathia sucked.

Here’s what I don’t understand. Why would he sign with the Yankees if he has a career 6.02 ERA at Yankee Stadium in 52.1 IP? Part of that obviously has to do with playing the Yankees, but fun fact: he’s given up 13 career HR agains the Yanks, 9 of which have come at Yankee Stadium. And he thinks Citizens Bank Park is too small? Yankee Stadium’s dimensions are even smaller, especially down that short porch in right field (329 at CBP, 318 at Yankee Stadium). And the New Yankee Stadium is keeping the same dimensions. So a right-handed pitcher who’s given up 1 HR for every 7 IP at Yankee Stadium is going to pitch in the American League to lefthanded batters with the knowledge that if he messes up, they will hit it down that right field line. Really Lowe? I’m almost thinking there’s no way he’d do that.

But for us, it’s better that than him landing with the Mets.

Georgie – When you take the highest payroll in professional sports then obviously everything else is going to be lower.

Craig, I’m really not interested in getting into an argument with you over payrolls. Suffice it to say that greed has taken over everything, including professional sports, and if things don’t change, there will be no competition to speak of, and isn’t that what sports are all about?