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I wouldnt do that at all..Jason Donald is going to be a key peice when Feliz leaves and probably duirng utleys absence. no reason to waste him on delmon young. just focus on pitching first…

trade donald as soon as you can. Young will show good power in this field and Donald will never play 3rd and 2nd and ss are blocked. And Bruntlett will replace Utley till he returns. Make the move

This one is a tough call – Donald is overrated right now based off of a strong year at AA and in the AFL, but he did rake all year and it’s not like he’s old for his level, so I think it’s too soon to write him off as a solid everyday MLB player. Young has loads of talent and is only going to improve – the guy hit a shade below .300 at 22 years old! He showed serious power in the minors and I think will become at least a 25-30 HR guy in the majors. Talent-wise, it’s a win for the Phils to trade Donald and a pitching throw-in for him.

The problem is that Donald is really our only good infield prospect, and we have two corner OF prospects who should be ready to contribute by 2010. With it seeming unlikely that the Phils have the budget or inclination to sign Howard to a long-term deal, trading him in 2010/11 and moving Utley to first seems increasingly likely, meaning that we need a 2B prospect (i.e. Donald) to step up in the near future. Plus, Young has plenty of well-documented baggage.

I love Young’s upside, and think I actually posted on here a couple of weeks ago that the Phils should inquire on him, but if the price is Donald + pitching, I think I’d rather see the Phils hold their prospects, sign a starter (preferably Lowe) and get an affordable RH bat to platoon in left.

I think Donald would be more beneficial to us in the long run. While I’d love to have Delmon moreso than anyone else available right now, Donald is too valuable in my book.

Donald is a pure beast and will be a major star in the big leagues soon enough.

How is third base filled up? Yeah, we have Feliz and Dobbs, but Feliz is old and Donald has way more potential than both of them.

Keep Donald and platoon Jenkins with some other cheap outfielder with slightly more than average speed.

I would do that easy

The problem is, who are we willing to give up? Besides Donald. Someone from our bullpen? (We ARE talking about the best bullpen in MLB so I’d hate to see one of our guys go, even Condrey)

Manny, I agree that he has to mature, but he just turned 23. He’s younger than Jason Donald. I think he’s worth the gamble.

Who started all this Condry tlk they will not do it for him and Donald PERIOD!.

Other than Lidge (duh) and Romero (can’t have Eyre as the ‘pen’s only lefty), I’d trade anyone from the bullpen in a deal for Young. Yes, our bullpen was off the charts last year, but relief pitching is notoriously volatile from year to year, and relievers are a dime a dozen on the open market right now.

I’m not too sure the Twins will be asking much more than Donald + Condrey (or whoever) – what I’ve read says that Gardenhire can’t stand Young and the Twins have an OF surplus. The fact that Gardy doesn’t want him there is a big red flag, obviously, but I don’t think it would take a king’s ransom to land him.

Thinking it over, I like Griffin’s suggestion to make the trade and use the cash saved to get Lowe. Pie-in-the-sky to think that will happen? Almost certainly, but that’s the fun of hot stove season!

Gardenhire is down on Young. He’s already stated that Span, Cuddyer and Gomez will be his three starting OFers. I can’t imagine that Twins management was thrilled with Gardenhire wrecking Delmon Young’s trade value before the offseason!

I would welcome the deal. Donald is blocked at SS and 2B. Unless he can play 3B, he really serves no purpose to the team.

oh yea……, delmon does need to mature, but i definately think having rollins and howard in his ear would certainly do well. they would be big brothers to him in the clubhouse. this kid will learn soon enough that this Phillies team just won a World Series without him. it aint gonna be about him. and uncle charlie seems to have a way with everybody. just show up on time and hustle.

Even at the cost of Donald and Ryan Madson, I don’t think the Twins would trade him… UNLESS he really is as much of a problem as we all think he is.

There is no point in trading young pitching prospects in your organization because we all see how much it costs to add ANY pitcher in Free Agency… you have to trade for pitching, and develop it from your farm. Nobody besides Madson holds that much value in the bullpen, he’s a closer in waiting.. and he’s a FA after this coming season (I think).. so he’ll probably leave in FA to go get a closer-job somewhere, so we could get some value for him, probably the most valuable his name has ever been.

BUT.. if you lose Madson, you lose way too much from the back end of the bullpen.. so I wouldn’t do it

I agree that its much more preferable to trade for pitching and tahts really what they should do….but what good trade targets, REASONABLE targets, are out there. peavy, cain: probably too expensive to trade for. id rather them sign relievers and rivera for LF and then trade for a starter…ill have to think about the trade candidates on the train ride home..

but trading donald and or madson for delmon young is simply a terrible idea.

Andrew – good point about moving Brown or Taylor to 1st, hopefully Chase maintains his range for long enough that we won’t need to look for a 2B any time soon.

If it takes Donald and Happ it’s still probably a good trade, but then Ruben needs to make sure he signs either Moyer or Lowe – we can’t roll the dice with Hamels/Myers/Blanton/Kendrick/Carrasco, and I’d rather overpay a bit for Lowe or Moyer than Braden Looper (or someone along those lines).

What is Young’s contract like? How much cash will it free up if he replaces Burrell’s $14MM?

Young made .7 million last year, not sure what he’s due in ’09.

I would NOT trade him for a guy like Madson. Madson is improving very quickly. Remember the 96mph / 97 mph pitches late in the season and postseason? He could also be our closer if/when Lidge leaves. Keeping him is crucial. So crucial that I ordered a jersey with his name on the back.

Madson is gone… I don’t see where he fits in. He could be a closer somewhere (not here). He didn’t pan out as a starter… he’s a middle reliever for us and unfortunately he’s going to be looking for closer money.

What do you guys think it would take to sign Wood? He’d be great if we do trade Madson.

We can not trade for young its a bad idea the guy is talented but a idiot. We do not need that after a great season use donald to get some body else. Young never hustles and it will be his third in 3 years somethings wrong there.

To all of those who keep calling Delmon Young a headcase – remember back in 2004 when Hamels got into a fight and had to have hand surgery because of it? Everyone thought he was immature and an idiot. Which he was! But young kids make a mistake. Lets not kill Young for a mistake he made when he was 20 years old.

And yes, I would do Donald for Young in a heartbeat.

You guys think that Madson is at its peak… I think he has more to offer. We finally have one of the best setup guys in the game and it just amazes me how some here would be so eager to trade him.

And, even though the Scott Boras argument makes a lot of sense, things change throughout a season and the possibility of a long term deal with Madson is being explored by the GM.

So don’t count him out just yet.

That said, the trade for Young is still very interesting, but we cannot give up guys like Madson or Romero. Pitching (especially bullpen) won us this thing. I’d be much more willing to let Happ or Kendrick go, but I doubt that they want them.

Hey Griffin, Young made $1,440,000 in 2008, I don’t know where you got your information. I would make this deal in a second. I think he has a huge upside if he can keep his head on straight, and with a player’s manager like Uncle Charlie and a great core of young vets with a great work ethic, this might be the place for him to mature and flourish.

It’s not that I’m eager to trade Madson, but I’d rather get something for him and find another way to fill the setup role than watch him walk at the end of the year. There is absolutely NO WAY that he signs an extension here unless the Phillies are willing to pay him 12-14MM per year, and they don’t have the payroll to give a setup man that kind of cash. Boras and the Phils do not mix well, and Boras has explicitly compared the Lidge/Madson duo to Wetteland/Rivera in preparation for Madson’s FA years. Madson has said the free agency is something he’s waited a long time for. He will not be in red pinstripes after 2009.

hey guys i’m from the twins blogs just to help you with a opinion from a different team

1) young was not a problem at all last year in fact he was very quiet.

2)most twins fans don’t want the twins to trade young unless we get a infielder that has as much talent as young like possibly hardy

4)even less fans want to trade young for a prospect

5) donald is interesting but you would need to add in somewhat more

6) now cuddyer is available we could give you cuddyer and players like buscher humber mulvey

Hope this helps!!