Stark: Moyer, Phillies Nearing Crossroads
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, December 08, 2008 03:14 PM | Comments: 18
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Jayson Stark is reporting the talks between Jamie Moyer and the Phillies have taken a turn for the worse:
Moyer has re-enlisted his former agent, Jim Bronner, to begin calling other clubs to see how much interest they would have in the 46-year-old left-hander. Sources indicate that while there continues to be mutual interest in having Moyer remain a Phillie, the two sides continue to haggle purely over dollars.
Two years ago, Moyer took a below-market, two-year, $9.5 million deal to remain with the Phillies, with a low $3.5 million guarantee in the second year. But after leading the World Series champs in wins, he’s looking for a significant raise. Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. told ESPN.com the difficult negotiations have been “a little disappointing.”
So the Phillies don’t want to pay the 46-year-old Moyer too much to return. And I agree. He’s no sure thing. And while you can’t say Derek Lowe or Jon Garland or AJ Burnett is a sure thing, at 46 and a year removed from a 5.01 ERA, you can’t exactly sell yourself on Moyer for a good chunk of your offseason budget.
Posts: 0 Geoff
Good, now stop wasting time with Moyer and move on to other puzzle pieces. I heard they asked about Delmon Young. But I want no part of that guy, he seems like a complete turd. But hed be cheap for now. Theres a reason the Rays dumped him, then immediately went to the world series, and now the twins are trying to unload him. DONT BITE. Hes a turd.
Posted: 03:21 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Geoff
I mean maybe hed benefit by coming here with a winning team and being managed by Charlie, but thas optimistic.
Posted: 03:22 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Griffin
Delmon Young is 23. He’s got more upside than anyone in our minor league system. (Anthony Hewitt notwithstanding). He’s worth a shot.
Posted: 03:30 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
Say what you will about Moyer’s age… the guys stays healthy enough to go out and win you ball games.. and lots of them.. he deserves to get paid. I’d like to hear the numbers they disagree over.. he’s probably pissed that Adam Eaton makes $8.5 and he only makes $3.5 …
If its $16/2 … give it to him.. he’s a hell of a pitcher.. 18/2… yea sure bring him back.. he makes the other around him better, and he’s still effective himself
Posted: 04:08 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Matt Kwasiborski
We need Moyer or someoone with his capability if we are to contend in 2009. We can’t afford to lose both Burrell and Moyer without replacing them. I think Moyer is much more key then replacing Burrell at this point. I love Blanton in the 4 and don’t think he is a good 3 man.
Posted: 04:19 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
Save that money and use it to get Lowe
Posted: 04:20 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Georgie
Ha- Jamie Moyer’s in better shape than most guys half his age, he did a hell of a lot for this team last year, and now everyone wants to cast him aside like yesterday’s old trash. I don’t blame him for wanting a raise, the guy keeps himself in excellent pitching condition, more than you can say for Myers, Blanton, etc. Why do peope think he’s just going to break down at any minute and turn into an old man? Jesus! Get a grip, pitchers are obviously not a dime a dozen these days.
Posted: 04:23 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 MP
I think Moyer is right to ask for a raise based on his performance last year. I think he still has at least two good years left in him. Since he took a pay cut two years ago to stay with us, Amaro should be willing to give him a raise. In addition, he is like a second pitching coach! I think we all know how much the younger guys go to him for advice, tips, guidance whatever you wanna call it, espcially Hamels.
Don M, completely agree with the $16/2 or $18/2 to keep him around
Posted: 04:40 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Greg B
I agree that signing Moyer should be a priority. He is a spectacular clubhouse guy and makes everyone around him better. It worries me that some of the intangibles that Gillick seemed to have his finger on are far beyond Amaro.
Posted: 04:55 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Don M
I would love to know what Moyer is asking for… It can’t be $10 M… and anything less than that for a 2 year deal is very reasonable in my opinion
How in the world does anyone think the Phillies are going to sign Derek Lowe… and do you people realize that he’s asking for the same amount that CC Sabathia is probably going to sign for at $100 Million..
Posted: 05:17 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Paul
I would be bummed if Moyer left. The guy is a gamer and a total class act.
I think $16/2 is pretty fair.
Posted: 05:33 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Greg V.
What a joke! Moyer gave the Phillies two bargin years and now they are becoming cheap asses on him! Re-sign the man already!
Posted: 06:29 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Fran
Its ashame to see this, a guy like moyer is a great piece of any ball club. Definatly do not want to seee this guy go
Posted: 06:57 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Bonezy
I hear he wants 2 years 10 Mil per. To me that is way too much. As much as I like him and how he teaches our young pitchers, that is way too much to pay.
Posted: 07:44 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Georgie
Ken Rosenthal just reported from Las Vegas that Jamie is looking for 2 yrs, 10M each, and that the Phillies are willing to go 1 yr/10M. He also said it’s possible the Dodgers or even yankees would go the 2yrs/10M.
Just heard they are talking to Nick Punto tonite.
Hey mike mike, I wonder if it’s at the Burger King? lol
Posted: 07:45 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Manny
2yrs/10M is way too much. He is great for the team and he can still win lots of games, but that is simply too much money. He does realize he is 46, and that the odds of him improving his 2008 numbers are not that great? I’d like to see him back, and he definitely deserves a raise, but I think that 1year/10M is pretty generous.
10M: That would be what Ryan Howard got this year.
Posted: 08:37 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 Finkel
I love Jamie but 20M!!!! Hes nuts. Theyll never pay him 2 yrs 20 mil. Go get Lowe immediately and good luck Jamie!
Posted: 09:14 PM on December 8, 2008
Posts: 0 mike mike
What happen to Jamie Moyer. all that talk at the parade born and raised. the phillies offered 10 million one year deal,, my god he is 46 take it to be home and close to your family. he wants at least two years at 10 per and a third year maybe. crazy.
Posted: 10:02 PM on December 8, 2008