Comments on: State of The Nation http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Fri, 25 May 2012 18:05:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: I got a Cubs Batting Practice Jerseyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-77392 I got a Cubs Batting Practice Jersey Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:37:56 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-77392 Very nice Chicago Cubs information. I hope to be in Chicagoland for a game this summer. Very nice Chicago Cubs information. I hope to be in Chicagoland for a game this summer.

]]> By: Chuck Phttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69730 Chuck P Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:48:58 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69730 I still think that I would rather see Peavy rot away in San Diego... I would hate to see the Cubs trotting out Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Hill in a best of 5 series! I still think that I would rather see Peavy rot away in San Diego… I would hate to see the Cubs trotting out Peavy, Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Hill in a best of 5 series!

]]> By: Chris Lhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69667 Chris L Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:46:26 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69667 Chuck - The Phils would have to get something only because a team can't just give players away but it wouldnt be much, the actual gain would just be the money savings that they would get. The fact that Eaton has pitched not horribly at Petco might give them reason to give him a chance as their #4/5 especially with their lack of depth of experience - the only thing Eaton has done while a Phil is avoid true injury (I think most of us believe his 07 DL visit was not exactly dire) Chuck – The Phils would have to get something only because a team can’t just give players away but it wouldnt be much, the actual gain would just be the money savings that they would get. The fact that Eaton has pitched not horribly at Petco might give them reason to give him a chance as their #4/5 especially with their lack of depth of experience – the only thing Eaton has done while a Phil is avoid true injury (I think most of us believe his 07 DL visit was not exactly dire)

]]> By: Joe O'Philliehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69649 Joe O'Phillie Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:25:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69649 Thank you guys. I am glad I found this site near the end of last season. Thank you guys. I am glad I found this site near the end of last season.

]]> By: Chuck Phttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69645 Chuck P Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:55:21 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69645 That's interesting, Chris... do you think that it would be Eaton and a draft pick/prospect for a prospect or do you think that they'll be willing to take Eaton because they'll need ML starters this year (while prospects mature) and leave it at that? We certainly have the young arms to work something out with them but what will we get in return besides a little bit of cap space? It's interesting, nonetheless. That’s interesting, Chris… do you think that it would be Eaton and a draft pick/prospect for a prospect or do you think that they’ll be willing to take Eaton because they’ll need ML starters this year (while prospects mature) and leave it at that? We certainly have the young arms to work something out with them but what will we get in return besides a little bit of cap space? It’s interesting, nonetheless.

]]> By: Chris Lhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69624 Chris L Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:06:56 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69624 Cubs have been positioning themselves to get Peavy or some other big gun once their sale goes through. If they don't get Peavy, I'd be surprised (why else would they get the minor leaguers that the Padres want). I also think that Sheets is hoping that they don't get Peavy and he can swoop in during ST and get a fat 2-3 yr deal when they get desperate -- why else would he not go back to the Brewers and prove he;s healthy so he can get the big contract next year (unless he's not actually healthy).When Peavy moves, I think the Phillies might be able to talk SD into taking Eaton (as long as the Phils pay 5+ million of his salary), Park (probably not since he's the best suioted to come out of the pen) or Kendrick (who they'd get the best prospects for). Cubs have been positioning themselves to get Peavy or some other big gun once their sale goes through. If they don’t get Peavy, I’d be surprised (why else would they get the minor leaguers that the Padres want). I also think that Sheets is hoping that they don’t get Peavy and he can swoop in during ST and get a fat 2-3 yr deal when they get desperate — why else would he not go back to the Brewers and prove he;s healthy so he can get the big contract next year (unless he’s not actually healthy).

When Peavy moves, I think the Phillies might be able to talk SD into taking Eaton (as long as the Phils pay 5+ million of his salary), Park (probably not since he’s the best suioted to come out of the pen) or Kendrick (who they’d get the best prospects for).

]]> By: Franhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69621 Fran Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:28:03 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69621 Anyone going to wing bowl friday?? Anyone going to wing bowl friday??

]]> By: Griffinhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69620 Griffin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:50:12 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69620 Chuck P, long post, but well-written. I'm thinking the Cubs are going to make a push for Peavy because otherwise, their moves so far just don't make sense. Chuck P, long post, but well-written. I’m thinking the Cubs are going to make a push for Peavy because otherwise, their moves so far just don’t make sense.

]]> By: Eric Rhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69619 Eric R Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:44:39 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69619 Keep up the great work. It's great revisiting the top games of that magical world f'n championship of a season! Keep up the great work. It’s great revisiting the top games of that magical world f’n championship of a season!

]]> By: Chuck Phttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69618 Chuck P Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:43:48 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69618 Wow... my post was pretty damn long. Wow… my post was pretty damn long.

]]> By: Seanhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69616 Sean Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:42:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69616 New to this site. Best site for phillies baseball. What is the bus trip you guys take evry year? New to this site. Best site for phillies baseball. What is the bus trip you guys take evry year?

]]> By: Jimhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69614 Jim Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:38:45 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69614 I am a baseball junkie. I spend the entire off season turning to the "Other News/Notes" section of the Sport's page looking for any baseball tidbit that can be mined from it. This blog is now my 1st read. Thanks for helping me with my Phillies "Jones"! I am a baseball junkie. I spend the entire off season turning to the “Other News/Notes” section of the Sport’s page looking for any baseball tidbit that can be mined from it. This blog is now my 1st read. Thanks for helping me with my Phillies “Jones”!

]]> By: Chuck Phttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69613 Chuck P Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:36:11 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69613 Great site... helps me get through slow days.You have to wonder what is going on with the Cubs... all of their moves have made very little sense to me. I'm waiting for the bomb to drop...Let us recap...Step one, Marmol to closer. No offer to Wood. Traded Ceda for Gregg... Ceda/Wood/Marmol > Gregg/Marmol... not even close.Step two, trade Derosa for 3 minor league pitchers and sign Aaron Miles... swapping Derosa for Miles, they free up a little bit of salary space (about $2 million) but now they don't have a dependable starting 2B in 2009... either Fontenot or Miles has to start... neither of which are on the same level as Mark Derosa. Derosa (and $2 million) > Miles & 3 MiL PStep three, dump salary to pick up an OF... traded Marquis for Vizcaino... Marquis won 11 games and his 4.5 ERA is not great but playing at Wrigley, it's not terrible either (his ERA on the road is 4.12). Plus, now they don't have a bona fide 5th starter. They'll be relying on Marshall... young and talented but untested. Bradley is good... I still don't see how they can rely on Marshall; in 7 GS, he only went 7 innings once. Marquis > Vizcaino, BradleyPie/Cedeno for Heilman... after trading Felix Pie for Garret Olson (which made sense because of their starter issues), they turn around and trade Olson and Cedeno for Heilman. So it ends up Pie/Cedeno for Heilman. Neither player (Pie/Cedeno) had great years in 2008 but Pie was highly touted and Cedeno really absolutely GREAT at times last year... is Heilman and his 4.5 ERA worth two very good prospects?They traded one good reliever (Wood) for three mediocre bullpen guys. They traded a good starting 2B for a good backup and a few minor league starting pitchers that won't even be able to fill in when either Harden or Zambrano inevitably goes down (which they will). Marshall was their spot starter this year but he'll have to be their #5. Their are a lot of question marks. But then again, they're still talking about Jake Peavy. Great site… helps me get through slow days.

You have to wonder what is going on with the Cubs… all of their moves have made very little sense to me. I’m waiting for the bomb to drop…

Let us recap…

Step one, Marmol to closer. No offer to Wood. Traded Ceda for Gregg… Ceda/Wood/Marmol > Gregg/Marmol… not even close.

Step two, trade Derosa for 3 minor league pitchers and sign Aaron Miles… swapping Derosa for Miles, they free up a little bit of salary space (about $2 million) but now they don’t have a dependable starting 2B in 2009… either Fontenot or Miles has to start… neither of which are on the same level as Mark Derosa. Derosa (and $2 million) > Miles & 3 MiL P

Step three, dump salary to pick up an OF… traded Marquis for Vizcaino… Marquis won 11 games and his 4.5 ERA is not great but playing at Wrigley, it’s not terrible either (his ERA on the road is 4.12). Plus, now they don’t have a bona fide 5th starter. They’ll be relying on Marshall… young and talented but untested. Bradley is good… I still don’t see how they can rely on Marshall; in 7 GS, he only went 7 innings once. Marquis > Vizcaino, Bradley

Pie/Cedeno for Heilman… after trading Felix Pie for Garret Olson (which made sense because of their starter issues), they turn around and trade Olson and Cedeno for Heilman. So it ends up Pie/Cedeno for Heilman. Neither player (Pie/Cedeno) had great years in 2008 but Pie was highly touted and Cedeno really absolutely GREAT at times last year… is Heilman and his 4.5 ERA worth two very good prospects?

They traded one good reliever (Wood) for three mediocre bullpen guys. They traded a good starting 2B for a good backup and a few minor league starting pitchers that won’t even be able to fill in when either Harden or Zambrano inevitably goes down (which they will). Marshall was their spot starter this year but he’ll have to be their #5. Their are a lot of question marks. But then again, they’re still talking about Jake Peavy.

]]> By: Griffinhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69612 Griffin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:07:54 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69612 1 year/$6.25 mil with a $2 mil buyout for or a $10 mil option for '10. So it's basically a 1 year/$8.25 million deal. That is more than I thought he'd get, but it's only a one year dealI'm surprised the D-Backs let Randy Johnson go, who signed a 1 year/$8 million deal with the Giants. I'd rather have Randy Johnson than Jon Garland. 1 year/$6.25 mil with a $2 mil buyout for or a $10 mil option for ’10. So it’s basically a 1 year/$8.25 million deal. That is more than I thought he’d get, but it’s only a one year deal

I’m surprised the D-Backs let Randy Johnson go, who signed a 1 year/$8 million deal with the Giants.
I’d rather have Randy Johnson than Jon Garland.

]]> By: Geoffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69610 Geoff Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:04:26 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69610 garland got more than i thought he would... garland got more than i thought he would…

]]> By: Geoffhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69609 Geoff Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:03:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69609 To be honest, I dont know what the Cubs are doing this offseason...theyve had a terrible offseason. They gave up a solid character/superutility man in derosa for guys ive never heard of. they traded a good prospect for kevin gregg who is garbage and then traded a few decent prospects for aaron heilman who is garbage. they let kerry wood walk, replace him with marmol whos VERY good and have samardzjia as a good setup man. but then bring in straight GARBAGE to ruin their bullpen in gregg and heilman..they trade marquis for a TERRIBLE reliever in vizcaino...and theyre tring to trade rich hill as well...so outside of overpaying for milton bradley theyve traded young cheap guys for older crappier more expensive guys...theyre VERY desperate and i am really not sure what hendry is attmpting to do....they still have a potentially good rotation but their bullpen is now all filled up with total slop junk leading up to the 8th inning. their line up has ONE good power hitter who doesnt hit righty in bradley, and then a bunch of OVERRATED right handed hitters who choke in the playoffs...derrick lee, alfonso soriano...soto is very good but still young...i see a lot of overhyped players who espn worships that havent done anything in the playoffs in a long time... To be honest, I dont know what the Cubs are doing this offseason…theyve had a terrible offseason. They gave up a solid character/superutility man in derosa for guys ive never heard of. they traded a good prospect for kevin gregg who is garbage and then traded a few decent prospects for aaron heilman who is garbage. they let kerry wood walk, replace him with marmol whos VERY good and have samardzjia as a good setup man. but then bring in straight GARBAGE to ruin their bullpen in gregg and heilman..they trade marquis for a TERRIBLE reliever in vizcaino…and theyre tring to trade rich hill as well…so outside of overpaying for milton bradley theyve traded young cheap guys for older crappier more expensive guys…theyre VERY desperate and i am really not sure what hendry is attmpting to do….

they still have a potentially good rotation but their bullpen is now all filled up with total slop junk leading up to the 8th inning. their line up has ONE good power hitter who doesnt hit righty in bradley, and then a bunch of OVERRATED right handed hitters who choke in the playoffs…derrick lee, alfonso soriano…soto is very good but still young…

i see a lot of overhyped players who espn worships that havent done anything in the playoffs in a long time…

]]> By: Griffinhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69608 Griffin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:59:42 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69608 Yeah, he's got cajones, I'll give him that. Yeah, he’s got cajones, I’ll give him that.

]]> By: Mannyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69606 Manny Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:43:36 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69606 Griffin, that fan is one lucky bastard. Griffin, that fan is one lucky bastard.

]]> By: Griffinhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69604 Griffin Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:32:50 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69604 Well the Cubs have had a weird offseason. They unloaded Derosa for basically nothing, they let Wood walk and they traded Jose Ceda, a very good prospect, for one year of Kevin Gregg. They dumped Jason Marquis' salary on the Rockies and picked up Luis Vizcaino. Garrett Olson isn't a high upside pitcher and Cedeno is a utility player, but Heilman isn't anything to write home about. Well the Cubs have had a weird offseason. They unloaded Derosa for basically nothing, they let Wood walk and they traded Jose Ceda, a very good prospect, for one year of Kevin Gregg. They dumped Jason Marquis’ salary on the Rockies and picked up Luis Vizcaino.
Garrett Olson isn’t a high upside pitcher and Cedeno is a utility player, but Heilman isn’t anything to write home about.

]]> By: NJhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-69603 NJ Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:28:35 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2009/01/state-of-the-nation/#comment-69603 ^Seriously a very good pitching prospect and their ss of the future, who did the Cubs think they were getting? That's like Donald and Happ for a slash guy. ^Seriously a very good pitching prospect and their ss of the future, who did the Cubs think they were getting? That’s like Donald and Happ for a slash guy.

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