Comments on: Ibanez Deal Tough To Swallow After Abreu Inks

By: Mark M

Mark M — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:57:09 +0000

haha look at Jeter, I live in NY and I don’t understand why everyone loves him, other than the fact that he was on a team once that was good. Look at the numbers, and if you think about his fielding he is awful. And Since I am a mets fan I’ll let you know Reyes is super aggressive and will strike out or fly out a lot because he always chases full count pitches no matter what!

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:59:49 +0000

yeah, he slugs about .470 while Utley slugs .530

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:35:01 +0000

Then why is Reyes so low on that list?? because his SLG% isn’t that great?

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:29:32 +0000

Reyes’s OBP the last 3 years was .354/.354/.358

That’s pretty good and considering he’s a SB threat every time he gets on base, that means he’s a helluva player.
I hate to admit it, but Wright and Reyes are two of the top 10-15 hitters in baseball.

I keep thinking the Yankees will sign Manny and make a mockery of the 2009 season. One thing is for sure, they didn’t have to spend money on their shiny new stadium.

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:09:26 +0000

I think its nice to see that Ibanez stacks up that well… and those numbers were from SAFECO which is a pitchers park.

Howard #1, Utley #11 …

But David Wright at #3, and Carlos Beltran #8 is impressive too

Does Reyes not walk a lot?? I assumed he would be higher than he is

If I’m the Yankees I go get Manny just for the hell of it.. at this point, they already spent way too much money. .add another $25 M on, and guarantee the World Series crown…

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:01:43 +0000

Don’t forget that Adrian Gonzalez is stuck in PETCO while Howard gets to hit in CBP. There’s not as much difference as we think between those two hitters and Gonzalez plays great defense.

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:36:53 +0000

So at least we know for sure that Alfonso Soriano and Carlos Lee are not worth the money they make..

Maybe the biggest surprise to me are Adrian Gonzalez, Jason Bay, Aubrey Huff being so high, and Vladdy, Ichiro and Jeter being so low..

nothing is perfect, like how Hanley doesn’t have a ton of RBIs since he bats leadoff…. but he wouldn’t lead the league in RUNS SCORED if he batted 3rd… so Its a pretty good gauge of what the players really do to help their teams.

Somebody said yesterday, Howard would be 3.642 whats?? … im not really sure, but its just a random figure from crunching numbers.. its not really RUNS CREATED because it deals with getting on base too… its basically everything that leads to being a productive player… and Howard’s RBIs counted just as much as Hanley’s RUNS.. etc..

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:30:23 +0000

My bad, for those not interested…

BOPS + RBI + RUNS
(BATTING AVERAGE + OPS (on-base + slugging)) + R.BI + R.UN

1. Ryan Howard = 1.132 BOPS + 1.46 + 1.05 = 3.642
2. Albert Pujols = 1.471 BOPS + 1.16 + 1.00 = 3.631
3. David Wright = 1.226 BOPS + 1.24 + 1.15 = 3.616
4. Manny Ramirez = 1.363 BOPS + 1.21 + 1.02 = 3.593
5. Mark Texiera = 1.270 BOPS + 1.21 + 1.02 = 3.500
6. Lance Berkman =1.298 BOPS + 1.06 + 1.14 = 3.498
7. Josh Hamilton = 1.205 BOPS + 1.30 + 0.98 = 3.485
8. Carlos Beltran = 1.160 BOPS + 1.12 + 1.16 = 3.440
9. Ryan Ludwick = 1.265 BOPS + 1.13 + 1.04 = 3.435
10. Justin Morneau = 1.173 BOPS + 1.29 + 0.97 = 3.433
11. Chase Utley = 1.207 BOPS + 1.04 + 1.13 = 3.377
12. Adrian Gonzalez = 1.150 BOPS + 1.19 + 1.03 = 3.370
13. Alex Rodriguez = 1.267 BOPS + 1.03 + 1.04 = 3.337
14. Kevin Youkilis = 1.270 BOPS + 1.15 + 0.91 = 3.330
15. Jason Bay = 1.181 BOPS + 1.01 + 1.11 = 3.301
16. Miguel Cabrera = 1.179 BOPS + 1.27 + 0.85 = 3.299
17. Aramis Ramirez = 1.187 BOPS + 1.11 + 0.97 = 3.267
18. Aubrey Huff = 1.216 BOPS + 1.08 + 0.96 = 3.256
19. Carlos Delgado = 1.142 BOPS + 1.15 + 0.96 = 3.252
20. Dustin Pedroia = 1.195 BOPS + 0.83 + 1.18 = 3.225
21. Matt Holliday = 1.268 BOPS + 0.88 + 1.07 = 3.218
22. Carlos Quentin = 1.253 BOPS + 1.00 + 0.96 = 3.213
23. Hanley Ramirez = 1.241 BOPS + 0.67 + 1.25 = 3.161
24. Ryan Braun = 1.173 BOPS + 1.06 + 0.92 = 3.153
25. Bobby Abreu = 1.139 BOPS + 1.00 + 1.00 = 3.139
26. Nick Markakis = 1.203 BOPS + 0.87 + 1.06 = 3.133
27. Jermaine Dye = .1.177 BOPS + 0.96 + 0.96 = 3.097
28. Raul Ibanez = .1.130 BOPS + 1.10 + 0.85 = 3.080
29. Grady Sizemore = .1.162 BOPS + 0.90 + 1.01 = 3.072
30. Prince Fielder = 1.155 BOPS + 1.02 + 0.86 = 3.035
31. Dan Uggla = 1.134 BOPS + 0.92 + 0.97 = 3.024
32. Joe Mauer = 1.192 BOPS + 0.85 + 0.98 = 3.022
33. Chipper Jones = 1.408 BOPS + 0.75 + 0.82 = 2.978
34. Derek Lee = 1.114 BOPS + 0.90 + 0.93 = 2.944
35. Ian Kinsler = 1.211 BOPS + 0.71+ 1.02 = 2.941
36. Jose Reyes = 1.130 BOPS + 0.68 + 1.13 = 2.940
37. Magglio Ordonez = 1.186 BOPS + 1.03 + 0.72 = 2.936
38. Vladimir Guerrero = 1.169 BOPS + 0.91 + 0.85 = 2.929
39. Adam Dunn = 1.134 BOPS + 1.00 + 0.79 = 2.924
40. Carlos Pena = 1.118 BOPS + 1.02 + 0.76 = 2.898
41. Milton Bradley = 1.320 BOPS + 0.77 + 0.78 = 2.870
42. Carlos Lee = 1.251 BOPS + 1.00 + 0.61 = 2.861
43. Brian Roberts = 1.124 BOPS + 0.57 + 1.07 = 2.764
44. Brian McCann = 1.197 BOPS + 0.87 + 0.68 = 2.747
45. Pat Burrell = 1.125 BOPS + 0.86 + 0.74 = 2.725
46. Shane Victorino = 1.092 BOPS + 0.58 + 1.02 = 2.692
47. Alfonso Soriano = 1.156 BOPS + 0.75 + 0.76 = 2.666
48. Derek Jeter = 1.071 BOPS + 0.69 + 0.88 = 2.641
49. Russell Martin = 1.061 BOPS + 0.69 + 0.87 = 2.621
50. Jayson Werth = 1.134 BOPS + 0.67 + 0.73 = 2.534
51. Ichiro = 1.058 BOPS + 0.42 + 1.03 = 2.508
52. Jimmy Rollins = 1.063 BOPS + 0.59 + 0.76 = 2.413
53. Ryan Church = 1.061 BOPS + 0.49 + 0.54 = 2.091

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:23:45 +0000

I know there is a stat called Runs Created, which is R+RBI-HR, since HR would be redundant, since you score a R and get an RBI.

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:21:58 +0000

I’m going to add Runs to the mix too and see what happens…

SB don’t matter unless you score, it doesn’t help your team… hits are your batting average.. Im not sure what else besides RUNS SCORED that I could use, but that should be the best judgement of all-around offense

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:59:40 +0000

Don M, your formula show how much RBI help Howard and hurt a guy like Ichiro.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:58:26 +0000

Ibanez: “Ibanez defied Father Time again last season, posting a line almost identical to those of his previous two campaigns, along with slightly less horrendous defense than he provided in 2007, as his late-career peak rolls on. Despite being one of the oldest and least-talented of the various defensively challenged corner outfielders for sale to the highest bidder this offseason, Ibanez became the first to sign, fleeing Seattle’s incipient rebuilding effort in favor of the greener pastures of the defending world champion. PECOTA foresees more of the same, as the move to the weaker league and the better hitter’s park should offset any age-related slippage, but three-year contracts with 36-year-olds have a way of backfiring, even if the player in question has never been much better at the plate.”

Ibanez: 77 R, 22 HR, 88 RBI, 2 SB, .289 BA

Just a note, the computer forecasting system is called PECOTA.

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:54:15 +0000

Werth: “There had to be something sweet about Werth winning a ring with the Gillick-era Phillies after starting out his career as Gillick’s first-round pick in ’97. Back then Werth was a gigantic catcher whose size caused concern for his long-term health, but his struggles with keeping healthy stayed with him even after he moved out from behind the plate. While something had to be done about Jenkins’ slack bat, Werth’s not really an effective everyday player. He doesn’t hit for much power against right-handers, so his is the Gary Roenicke suite of skills-plus defense, good speed, and a bat stained by repeated lefty killing. Add in his earned reputation for fragility, and it’s just as well that he’ll get spotted by Stars and perhaps even Jenkins in ’09″

Werth: 83 R, 22 HR, 67 RBI, 14 SB, .283 BA

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:51:15 +0000

Continuing that BOPS list that I had.. I added RBIs, but to not overvalue those, I put them on a scale with everything else so 146 RBIs = 1.46….

BOPS + RBI
(BATTING AVERAGE + OPS (on-base + slugging)) + RBI

1. Albert Pujols = .357 avg. + 1.114 = 1.471 BOPS + 1.16 = 2.631
2. Ryan Howard = .251 avg. + .881 = 1.132 BOPS + 1.46 = 2.592
3. Manny Ramirez = .332 avg. + 1.031 = 1.363 BOPS + 1.21 = 2.573
4. Josh Hamilton = .304 avg. + .901 = 1.205 BOPS + 1.30 = 2.505
5. Mark Texiera = .308 avg. + .962 = 1.270 BOPS + 1.21 = 2.480
6. David Wright = .302 avg. + .924 = 1.226 BOPS + 1.24 = 2.466
7. Justin Morneau = .300 avg. + .873 = 1.173 BOPS + 1.29 = 2.463
8. Miguel Cabrera = .292 avg. + .887 = 1.179 BOPS + 1.27 = 2.449
9. Kevin Youkilis = .312 avg. + .958 = 1.270 BOPS + 1.15 = 2.420
10. Ryan Ludwick = .299 avg. + .966 = 1.265 BOPS + 1.13 = 2.395
11. Lance Berkman = .312 avg. + .986 = 1.298 BOPS + 1.06 = 2.358
12. Adrian Gonzalez = .279 avg. + .871 = 1.150 BOPS + 1.19 = 2.340
13. Alex Rodriguez = .302 avg. + .965 = 1.267 BOPS + 1.03 = 2.297
14. Aramis Ramirez = .289 avg. + .898 = 1.187 BOPS + 1.11 = 2.297
15. Aubrey Huff = .304 avg. + .912 = 1.216 BOPS + 1.08 = 2.296
16. Carlos Delgado = .271 avg. + .871 = 1.142 BOPS + 1.15 = 2.292
17. Carlos Beltran = .284 avg. + .876 = 1.160 BOPS + 1.12 = 2.280
18. Carlos Quentin = .288 avg. + .965 = 1.253 BOPS + 1.00 = 2.253
19. Carlos Lee = .314 avg. + .937 = 1.251 BOPS + 1.00 = 2.251
20. Chase Utley = .292 avg. + .915 = 1.207 BOPS + 1.04 = 2.247
21. Ryan Braun = .285 avg. + .888 = 1.173 BOPS + 1.06 = 2.233
22. Raul Ibanez = .293 avg. + .837= 1.130 BOPS + 1.10 = 2.230
23. Magglio Ordonez = .317 avg. + .869 = 1.186 BOPS + 1.03 = 2.216
24. Jason Bay = .286 avg. + .895 = 1.181 BOPS + 1.01 = 2.191
25. Prince Fielder = .276 avg. + .879 = 1.155 BOPS + 1.02 = 2.175
26. Chipper Jones = .364 avg. + 1.044 = 1.408 BOPS + 0.75 = 2.158
27. Matt Holliday = .321 avg. + .947 = 1.268 BOPS + 0.88 = 2.148
28. Bobby Abreu = .296 avg. + .843 = 1.139 BOPS + 1.00 = 2.139
29. Carlos Pena = .247 avg. + 871 = 1.118 BOPS + 1.02 = 2.138
30. Jermaine Dye = .292 avg. + .885 = 1.177 BOPS + 0.96 = 2.137
31. Adam Dunn = .236 avg. + .898 = 1.134 BOPS + 1.00 = 2.134
32. Milton Bradley = .321 avg. + .999 = 1.320 BOPS + 0.77 = 2.090
33. Vladimir Guerrero = .303 avg. + .866 = 1.169 BOPS + 0.91 = 2.079
34. Nick Markakis = .306 avg. + .897 = 1.203 BOPS + 0.87 = 2.073
35. Brian McCann = .301 avg. + .896 = 1.197 BOPS + 0.87 = 2.067
36. Grady Sizemore = .268 avg. + .876 = 1.162 BOPS + 0.90 = 2.062
37. Dan Uggla = .260 avg. + .874 = 1.134 BOPS + 0.92 = 2.054
38. Dustin Pedroia = .326 avg. + .869 = 1.195 BOPS + 0.83 = 2.045
39. Joe Mauer = .328 avg. + .864 = 1.192 BOPS + 0.85 = 2.042
40. Derek Lee = .291 avg. + .823 = 1.114 BOPS + 0.90 = 2.014
41. Pat Burrell = .250 avg. + .875 = 1.125 BOPS + 0.86 = 1.985
42. Ian Kinsler = .319 avg. + .892 = 1.211 BOPS + 0.71 = 1.921
43. Hanley Ramirez = .301 avg. + .940 = 1.241 BOPS + 0.67 = 1.911
44. Alfonso Soriano = .280 avg. + .876 = 1.156 BOPS + 0.75 = 1.906
45. Jose Reyes = .297 avg. + .833 = 1.130 BOPS + 0.68 = 1.810
46. Jayson Werth = .273 avg. + .861 = 1.134 BOPS + 0.67 = 1.804
47. Derek Jeter = .300 avg. + .771 = 1.071 BOPS + 0.69 = 1.761
48. Russell Martin = .280 avg. + .781 = 1.061 BOPS + 0.69 = 1.751
49. Brian Roberts = 2.96 avg. + .828 = 1.124 BOPS + 0.57 = 1.694
50. Shane Victorino = .293 + .799 = 1.092 BOPS + 0.58 = 1.672
51. Jimmy Rollins = .277 avg. + .786 = 1.063 BOPS + 0.59 = 1.653
52. Ryan Church = .276 avg. + .785 = 1.061 BOPS + 0.49 = 1.551
53. Ichiro = .311 avg. + .747 = 1.058 BOPS + 0.42 = 1.478

*names added were Aubrey Huff, Carlos Pena, Dan Uggla, Brian Roberts, Derek Lee

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:46:19 +0000

What does it have for Werth?? and Ibanez..

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:30:04 +0000

yeah, they’re very high on Rollins and not so much on Howard. I would post Utley’s capsule, but they say what we already know-that he’s the best position player on the Phillies, does everything well and continues to somehow be underrated.

Utley: 103 R, 28 HR, 95 RBI, 10 SB, .295 BA

Sign me up for those numbers

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:25:16 +0000

I would LOVE if those two guys had the projected seasons…..

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:14:25 +0000

Rollins: “The ankle injury that put Rollins on the DL for the first time in his career (in April) hindered him so much that he set career highs in steals and stolen-base percentage. More importantly, he posted career bests in walks, K/BB, strikeout rate, and OBP. So while no one was touting Rollins for MVP, he was showing the kind of development as a player that makes you think he’ll be productive for a long time to come.”

Rollins: 102 R, 16 HR, 68 RBI, 37 SB, .293 BA

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:11:49 +0000

Ryan Howard: “When does it become all right to point out that despite having three straight top-five MVP finishes, Howard has been sprinting BACKWARDS for two seasons? His .313 batting average in ’06 was a mirage driven by one of the best BABIP performances (.455 BA) in history. In ’08, his walk rate dropped off considerably, leading to a .339 OBP that simply isn’t good enough for a no-defense first basemen in a hitters’ park. Last season is the floor for this type of player; either Howard regains some ability to make contact, some batting average, or some walks, or he’s headed for oblivion, no matter how many RBI he collects. Note to NL managers: he’s a .231/.314/.471 career hitter against lefties, and getting worse by the year.”

Howard: 96 R, 40 HR, 110 RBI, 0 SB, .270 BA

By: Griffin

Griffin — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:59:45 +0000

I’ll post them right after I finish lunch. I will say that the J-Roll and Howard entries are very interesting.