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Tim, I agree… The Mets once again over paid for less than mediocre talent. I think he’ll have one good year out of the four that they signed him to. Also, 2 years 14 mil for Sheets is a bargain when you consider that Eaton is making 8 mil a year. If the Phils picked up Sheets, we would have one hell of a rotation. Hamels, Sheets, Myers, Blanton, Moyer. That, my friend, is a SOLID starting 5. The only question with Sheets is how long can he hold up before he ends up on the DL. Perhaps that’s why he’s only looking at 7 mil/yr. Also, per my starting 5, put them in any order you’d like, it’s not overwhelming, but, any one of those 5 can give you a chance to win each time they start.

Why do I feel like if that 8m for Eaton was not on our payroll we’d have Sheets?

heck…id rather pay sheets 2/14 than give another dime to that GREEDY SELFISH SCUMBAG Ryan Howard.

The Mets signed Perez to a 3-year, 36 million dollar deal (not 4), without guaranteeing a fourth year or even including a vesting option. It’s basically #2 spot money for a 27-year old left hander. And on many teams, he’d be a #2.

GREEDY SELFISH SCUMBAG, HORRIBLE, CRAZY, HAHAHA, BADLY…

speaking of screwed up, and depression, Geoff why don’t you sit the next couple of plays out, maybe stop talking for a while..?

HAHAHA nice back and forth between don and geoff. they could package Myers of Blanton for relief help. Color me ignorant, but if we DIDN’T trade Myers or Blanton AND signed Sheets, couldn’t we throw Chan Ho into the pen? Until Romero returns I wouldn’t be opposed to Park in the 7 th and the Madson and Lidge for the 8th and 9th. Plus, if Sheets were to get injured, we could throw Park or Happ into the 5th spot in the rotation. May be a crazy idea, but I’m just trying to bounce a couple of ideas off my Phillie Phollowing Commrades.

on many teams he’d be a #2?

which teams are those again? The 5 worst… maybe? absolutely non of the teams that came close to the playoffs?

I look at Sheets as really a High-Risk, High-Reward guy… and although he reached X-amount of innings last year, I feel like he only did that BECAUSE he was a Free Agent, and that it was actually a selfish thing to do. If you are a starting pitcher, and your arm won’t give you 5-6 innings, it hurts the team to start the game, and have to come out in the 2nd or 3rd innings with your team in a deep hole.. and Sheets did that to them down the stretch.

He would look GREAT slotted in behind Hamels, giving us a legit, lethal 1-2 punch, but I think that the risks behind his arm are such that this is a very unneccesary move, and two months ago we were all loving the fact that we had a set rotation, and sure things in there… the question mark was Myers, but he generally stays healthy, and when he’s on, he’s awesome…

I wouldn’t be mad if the got Sheets, but I don’t think he’s that much of a difference maker if you’re losing Myers or Blanton because of it.. all of those guys are 15 game winners with this offense, but I like the guys who will eat the innings and keep the team in the game… hold the opponent to 3 runs and you did your job, holding them to 1 or 2 is great, but not neccessary

As much as I love making a fool out of Geoff and his senseless anti-Howard remarks, I’m really not in the mood. So Geoff, you win. Howard is the worst. He’s garbage. He can take 40+HR and 145 RBI somewhere else because we just don’t need him. Trade him for a bucket of balls and a tube of Roger Clemens’ testicle liniment for all I care!

If Sheets is looking for 2 years and he’s willing to take 2/8 (with a bunch of built-in incentives), that is a good deal. This guy can pitch… the question is, “Can he pitch in this park for an entire season?” I think he can but he’s not as good as his 3.72 career ERA would indicate and that’s why a lot of teams have backed off. I would still take a shot at 2/8. We can do what the Cubs did with Rich Harden last year; limit his pitch counts, give him off regular off days and be very careful with him early on. We could even go with a 6 man rotation at times. If you can get through the early part of the season and keep him healthy for the stretch run, he could be very valuable. If he’s going to give us 3 good months and flame out, then I would rather go with what we have. I want guys that are going to produce in September…

Sheets is best served doing an Abreu and lowering his demands to cherrypick a one year deal. If he has faith in his health it’s not going to make a difference and a 3rd year club option+ deal for him is bad.

It’s a risk but this is a gamebreaker.

Minaya would fall flat on his face with a team like the Twins and probably still would with a team like the Mariners or Astros who’ll spend. He’s meant to be a very nice guy and he’s not an aweful GM but I’ve barely seen a good deal out of him, even the Putz trade was one he gave up a lot.

Agreed, Don… Ollie Perez is a talented kid but he’s not worth anything near that kind of money. He’s a total head case and is very inconsistent. When he gets rattled, he loses all control. He’ll go three innings of no-hit baseball, give up a hit in the fourth and then completely lose it in the fifth… walk two batters, sac fly, walk the bases loaded, single… the wheels completely fall off. One of my close friends just happens to be a Mets fan and he hates Ollie Perez. He has a ton of talent but he can’t keep it together for an entire game… the Phillies know that.

I was at Pitt when Oliver Perez was their ace…hes THE most inconsistnet pitcher with good talent and good stuff ive seen in YEARS. he could be awesome but hes such a mess upstairs that he cant put it all together…

Sheets would be a great Phil. I think and incentive laden 2 years would get it done.

As a Mets fan, I would have rather taken a 1 or 2 year flyer on Sheets instead of Perez, but you can’t ignore the facts. Chuck P, Ollie had a 0.35 ERA in 4 starts vs. the Phillies last season, with a 0.00 ERA in CBP, so how do the Phillies know he can’t handle a full game, huh?. He comes up big in big games. And once Peterson was fired and Warthen allowed Ollie to change up his delivery motion, his ERA dropped a half point and his walks per nine went down significantly. Now, I’m not saying that we’re going to get the same production from Tatis/Murphy/Delgado in 2009, but I’m sure you are well aware of the facts from 2008 about the Mets bullpen. Even if they blow half of the 26 games they blew in 2008, the Mets run away with the division. But it didn’t go down like that, and the Phillies won the series.

not quite mate, good try though.

Guess what? The Mets sign Manny and they choke again. It just keeps getting better.

ahhhhh but you see…just like a post above me….we have a pretty good bullpen now…im pretty sure that even with our offense as is now..can beat phillies up…which they will…because even with the phillies winning the world series…they still went on about the mets….we are in their heads…and mets sign manny…cole hamels better bring another pair of underwear with him cause he will be pissing all over himself

“Ive gotta think that Sheets is in worse condition that has been publicized otherwise someone wouldve bitten by now…”

I agree with Geoff on this one. From reading baseball website online the past few years Sheets has always had good stuff and could be a top of the rotation guy, but injuries have always derailed him.

I just would think that if Sheets was that good, the brewers would try harder to keep him, especially with C.C. gone.

I think this has the potential to be a Freddy Garcia type of situation for anybody that tries to sign him, which is why I think the interest in him has cooled down.

In their last 30 games of 2008, the Phillies went 24-6 including the World Series, the Mets went 16-14 ….

Why are Mets fans talking smack again?? Ohhh yeaaa.. because they just resigned OLIVER PEREZ…. ?

i wanted sheets before perez too

Anthony- I think, if you are a Mets fan, it would be very unfair to blame Peterson on Olie because EVERYONE was giving Peterson credit for Maine and Olie when they were in the playoffs in ’06. And he changed him around from being a never was into something viable and useful.

Chuck P – I think if the Mets sign O. Hudson over Castillo they are making such a HUGE statement that that alone could be enough to lift the Mets up. I mean no one has any faith in Castillo and no one thinks the Mets will get Hudson, if they do that would change eveyones perception and give alot of faith to the team and fan base. Plus Hudson, even injured, is much better than Catillo.

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I would love the Mets to be favored again. And you can not compare the 06 Mets to the 08 Phillies for one reason: the 08 Phillies won the World Series while the Mets started their choking habits by losing to a 83 win Cardinals team in the NLDS, with game 7 in Queens. Have the Mets gotten better? Sure. We shall see if they can shake their choking label. The Mets, not the Phils, have a lot to prove this season.

And “on paper” the 09 version of the Phillies might just be better than the 08 version. They know what it takes to win, the Mets do not. So once again, which team will be relaxed down the stretch and which team will tighten up?

Phillyhater- Church and Werth are even in my book. You cannot possibly take one over the other coming into the year. One has been injured most of ’08 while one broke out and hit much better against righties than he previously has done. Werth may regress and might not be the everyday answer in right. Church may indeed hate NY and also is not a top RF to begin with. I think both are nice players who have a chance to have fantastic years in ’09.

Rollins and Jose is a tough argument. WHile Jose might have a better career than Rollins, he’ll never match JRolls leadership or MVP year. So while I believe Jose may/will have a better career than JRoll, JRoll played beyond the capabillities of Jose.