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Rollins, Victorino Return As Phils Meet Blue Jays

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, March 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Comments: 35
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Chan Ho Park gets the start as the Phillies face the Blue Jays today at Knology Park in Dunedin. Game time is 1:05 p.m.

The best news yet? Check out the starting lineup:

Rollins (SS) / Victorino (CF) / Utley (2B) / Howard (1B) / Werth (RF) / Ibanez (LF) / Feliz (3B) / Coste (DH) / Ruiz (C).

Rollins and Victorino have returned, and the opening night starting lineup is out there today. Cole Hamels is pitching a minor-league game at the Carpenter Complex.

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  • Posts: 0 Fuhs

    I’m interested in seeing how Werth and Ibanez play those spots.

    Is this the order we should be expecting (sans DH, of course) for the year, or is this the left hand pitcher version?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’d imagine that is the lineup..

    Random changes will be made between Victorino/Werth… maybe move Utley to the #2 randomly with Ibanez #3 against a team with only 1 LHP in the bullpen or something..

    It’s going to be a nice lineup this year!

     
  • Posts: 0 Ben

    I liked having Victorino in the 6 hole last year. It provided nice balance to the line up, and it felt like he could create opportunities that enabled the line up to be turned over. Also, Werth sees a ton a pitches, which only helps the heart of the order (when he’s in the two hole).

    Not saying this line up is bad, I think its worth tweaking and mishmashing as the season goes.

    I agree its nice that ibanez can step in as the 3 hole hitter to alleviate the pressure from Utley every now and again. We never had a good alternate person to put there before he was aboard.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike N

    I like this batting order. Breaking up the lefties at 3-4-5 is a good idea. And Werth gives you some speed in the bottom half of the order.

     
  • Posts: 0 Evan

    I’d rather have Utley stay three and move Ibanez up to 5 if they are going to adjust for a team with mostly righties in the pen. That way you have 5 lefties in a row with your two fastest runners up front and your 3 best RBI guys behind them. That’s probably not even necessary because the lineup above is about as good as it gets no matter what the other team’s pitching staff looks like.

    The only time I would wanna see Utley in the two spot is if he and Howard have both been doing very poorly against right handed pitching.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brett

    I’d have Rollins, Utley, Werth, Howard, Ibanez, Victorino, Feliz, Ruiz, and the pitcher spot against lefties.. That is, unless Blanton is pitching, in which case he can bat cleanup.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Aging veteran Ibanez has VERY big shoes to fill with Burrell’s righthanded bat gone. I’ll be holding my breath every time Ibanez goes chasing after and circling under flyball. Runners seeing it’s Ibanez’s arm and not Burrell’s may be more aggressive in taking another base.

    Perhaps I’m being too judgemental BEFORE the season starts so I’ll withhold further opinions on him for now.

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    This is the best news I’ve seen in a while. I hope Rick F isn’t slacking today, I missed the updates during the last game.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    I think that Ibanez bats fifth, especially against righthanded starters. I think that you spot Werth fifth against some lefthanded starters but Ibanez needs to be able to produce runs. I think that the key to winning games is getting to the other team’s bullpen… you worry about the other stuff (R/L match-up stuff) when the time comes… my opinion has certainly changed on this as time has passed but I have always thought that you have to take advantage of what a player is best at. I think that putting Ibanez in a position where he will be able to get runners home (from scoring position) is extremely important.

    Werth strikes out too often… he struck out as many times as Ibanez did in 2008 in 200 fewer AB’s. I could be wrong…

    Blanton definitely bats fourth… and should be the DH in interleague play. And when Charlie’s out, he becomes the acting player/manager.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brett

    Werth strikes out a lot, but I remember reading a stat saying he sees as many or more pitches as aanyone in baseball. Think about how long his at bats last. Having him early in the lineup makes the starter throw that many more pitches.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kev

    I know this will never ever happen, but how about this…

    Victorino, Utley, Rollins, Howard, Werth, Ibanez, Feliz, Ruiz, (Pitcher)..

    Ever since watching Rollins in the WBC, he batted 3rd, a number of times, and seemed to have thrived. The lineup would go R,L basically through the whole thing, giving the line up a much more balanced feel, and it would put those teams with a couple lefthanders in a bind…
    (I use this lineup in MLB 2k9 too haha)

    Lemme know what you guys think..

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    I can see both sides and I have went back and forth… I remember reading the same thing about Werth and I’ll stop short of saying that he doesn’t deserve that chance. He could have a big year in the 5 hole… if I had to fill out a lineup sheet today, I would have him batting 6th.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Utley bats third… he’s the best hitter in your lineup.

    It’s basically the current lineup switching Utley/Rollins… not far fetched. The question is (and has been) can Werth provide protection behind Howard? If so, that’s great. If not, how about Ibanez? If not, WTF?? If so, can we really go with 3 LH hitters in a row?

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    Park gives up 2 Earned runs, but fights right back with 2 more strikeouts, giving him 4 on the day. I was all for Happ at the beginning of spring training, but right now I think you’ve gotta give it to Park and let Happ start in the bullpen. I don’t know if Park can keep this up all season, but the guy said he’d do whatever he had to in order to win that 5th spot, and I think there’s no question he’s been the best pitcher in the competition.

     
  • Posts: 0 T Mac

    I agree with those that would move Rollins down the order – he really doesn’t have ideal OBP numbers for leadoff- and his power and contact ability would be ideal further down.

    However – notwithstanding the WBC, Rollins has been awful as a #3 hitter for the Phillies – don’t know why, but he’s had enough at-bats there over a few seasons to suggest it doesn’t work for him.

    I would slot him at #2 behind Victorino leading off. Rollins is the perfect #2 hitter as he rarely strikes out and can still utilize his speed there and will help to create gaps in the shifts teams employ against the lefties Utley and Howard.

    Against lefties, I like Werth at 5 and Ibanez at 6 – can flip them against righties.

     
  • Posts: 0 ryan

    i’m worried that the absence of j-roll for almost all of spring training might have a negative effect on the focus of the team for the beginning of the season. j-roll is the unquestioned leader of this team. he and victorino too both bring a ton of energy to the team and the clubhouse. i hope missing them for nearly all of march won’t have a big effect on them. but i worry it will.

    that being said, provided jimmy stays healthy, i look for a huge year outta him. he looked great in the WBC both defensively and offensively

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    From Zolecki’s twitter:

    tzolecki: Cole Hamels’ line in Clearwater: 3 2/3 scoreless innings, 1 hit, 1 walk, five strikeouts. Don’t think he’ll be ready by Opening Night.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fuhs

    The wind is doing crazy things. 3 HR robbed so far

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    By the way, the “don’t think he’ll be ready” is in response to his small pitch count. He’ll need two more starts before he goes for good.

     
  • Posts: 0 CT

    Park’s done for the day and Mosebach is in. Park’s Line:

    4.0 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 2.87 ERA

     
  • Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm

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    An interesting start for Park. Gave up a couple big hits, but the Ks are still way up and the walks are still way down (in fact it was his FIRST walk of the spring).

    I’d have to think Park still holds the advantage, as Happ’s start yesterday didn’t indicate anything better. With one outing each to go, I’d say it’s Park’s to lose.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    After this (poor?) outing by Park, I think the Fight for Fifth is completely tied. Happ’s and Park’s ERAs are pretty similar… I guess no decision will be made until the last day of ST.

     
  • Posts: 0 CT

    too early to tell honestly. it’s a dead heat in my opinion. i wonder if each of the two might get some spot starts in the first couple of weeks to see how they do in a regular season situation.

     
  • Posts: 0 Fuhs

    Utley ties with a 2 run shot! 4-4

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyGirlinMichigan

    Looking at the upcoming pitching schedules, I don’t see Happ w/a start but Park has one. Happ’s next outing is releiving for Moyer on Saturday.
    Cool, Durbin maintains his 0.00 w/two strikeouts.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tyler

    i think park wins it here… 7 Ks in 4 IP, that’s 17.5 Ks/9IP… thats sick… unless he completely blows up and happ pitches remarkably in their last starts each, i cant see park losing the battle

     
  • Posts: 0 Tyler

    kev… i actually like your line-up… it could work in case some ppl start slumping… i definitely like vic out of the leadoff spot though

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Moyer will tell you that it’s not about the Ks…

     
  • Posts: 0 Phan in TN

    this is not a nice way to end a game

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Ryan, I actually would lean the opposite way (regarding Rollins’ absence due to the WBC)… I think his absence could help this team in the early going. J-Roll is the leader, however, he is also the most gifted… he was probably born with more God given talent than anyone on the team. With that being said, and knowing what we know about J-Roll (his swagger and often laissez faire demeanor), I doubt that he is someone that takes SPT seriously. I see him being one of the players that uses SPT to work on some of the other facets of his game… which is not a problem for J-Roll… but most players need to use this time to make themselves “game ready.” All of this is in addition to the fact that he didn’t take at bats away from role players (Bruntlett, Dobbs, Jenkins, Stairs and whoever else makes this team).

    I thought that Park would win the job and I still think that he ends up as our fifth starter but Happ has made it interesting. If Park wins, does that mean that Happ ends up in AAA?? Imagine that rotation with Happ, Carrasco and Kendrick at the top…

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Werth got a homerun, too…

    And Majewski got the win despite giving up 2 earned runs in 2 innings.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Phils score 3 in the 9th inning to win… Bruntlett continues to shine.

     
  • Posts: 0 Sarah

    This may have already been addressed somewhere and I’ve forgotten, but where is Moyer?

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Moyer started for LV yesterday… not a great line for the lefty… 5.2 ip, 10H, 3 R, 1BB, 3 K’s. Not sure why he’s down there.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tyler

    manny… i no wat u mean wen u say that its not all about the Ks… but Ks are definite outs… very rarely will the catcher commit an error and the person get on base… thats all im sayin… i no we have the best infield, but we also have howard who is a defensive liability… thats all im sayin

     
 
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