Comments on: 2009 Projection: Jamie Moyer

By: Tim Malcolm

Tim Malcolm — Thu, 14 May 2009 00:20:52 +0000

Sure, some of these numbers are currently higher, but, just saying.

By: fred

fred — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:01:57 +0000

Great stats but dumb analysis. 3-3 (by the way, he’s already 3-1 now and it’s still April)? What magical think between age 45 and 46 would make him suddenly ineffective? He’s been dealing with unimaginative people like you for over twenty MLB seasons.

If Happ sticks around it has more to do with Chan Ho Park than Moyer, who is going to be in that rotation pretty much no matter what.

By: 2009 Season Predictions

2009 Season Predictions — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:38:50 +0000

[...] Jamie Moyer continue to defy Father Time? Phillies Nation has a less than bullish view on Jamie Moyer’s 2009 campaign. I expect more innings than Tim does, but don’t expect [...]

By: philsphan

philsphan — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:48:02 +0000

Tim: That is not true. Happ was putting up very good numbers in AAA, leading the international league in strikeouts. They could have at least tried Happ over Eaton but didn’t take Eaton out for awhile because he was owed so much money (and another year). I would be shocked if Moyer pitched less than 100 innings this season unless he gets injured for his ERA is over 7.00 after over 2 months.

By: BurrGundy

BurrGundy — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:57:13 +0000

Where else but Philly would a 46-year-old pitcher bring out so much passion and controversy even before the season begins. Ya gotta love Philly

By: Chuck P

Chuck P — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:26:30 +0000

Jamie Moyer wins a Cy Young and Geoff jumps off of the Ben Franklin bridge… can you save that one, Bruce?

Kidding, but in all seriousness, Moyer will be fine. He’s going to give us what he always gives us because his MO has always been consistency He’s not a mow-down pitcher and he seems to go through 1-2 game stretches where he’s not quite effective but he always finds it. He had a long season last year… I’m sure that it feels a little rushed for him at this point (he’s used to an extra month off and when you go through the same routine for 22 years, a short offseason has to feel a bit weird) but he’s going to average 6 innings per start and 3 ER per outing… and with this offense, that’s enough for 12-15 wins. Maybe he doesn’t hit 200 innings but he has been right around 200 innings in each of the past 8 seasons. His career average is 208 innings per season… if you look up consistency in the dictionary, his face is in there.

By: Art

Art — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:23:00 +0000

If Happ stays with the big club, it will be because the Phillies brass have the same doubts about Moyer that Tim expressed. Happ proved this spring that he is ready and should fit into the rotation without missing a beat. It is nice to have that kind of depth. No shopping around at trade deadlines.

By: Manny

Manny — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:14:06 +0000

I think we can all agree on the 0 CG…

By: Ben

Ben — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:51:45 +0000

Tim I’m not sure why you have Moyer pitching less innings? Injury? Poor performance? I know a 4.69 ERA isn’t great but thats not terrible. With that kind of ERA he wouldn’t land himself out of a rotation spot. Plus if he wins, his ERA is just a stat that no one will care about. I’m just curious what your reasons are for his lack of innings because if it was performance reasons then I think he would pitch more than that before the Phils made the move.

You’d have a better case for Park, Myers or Blanton for either getting injured or not performing well. I will agree that his ERA will be more close to 5 than 4 this year, but if he gets the W’s no one will care that much.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:32:47 +0000

Carrasco will be the next Vincente Padilla, I’m calling it now. Very disappointing spring, two years in a row. He needs to grow up, and fast.

By: Tyler

Tyler — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:26:44 +0000

look, yesterday’s outing sucked. We can all agree on that. Jamie struggled in ST. These are facts to back up why we think he will do poorly, but it doesnt mean squat. I agree with the few people here who say have some faith. He was phenomenal for us last year, hopefully hell do it again. Dont count him out yet.

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:16:48 +0000

People don’t need to be ripping Tim for this because the ERA is a reasonable expectation for him, the only problem I have is that I can’t see Jamie taking himself out, or the Phillies taking him out, after 86 IP unless he has a REALLY bad stretch or they’re behind in the standings, it probably should be more like 100-115 IP before that would happen. On the other hand Geoff is just an idiot. Every time I see somethign he posts, it’s ridiculous how negative and over-the-top he is.

By: christopher

christopher — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:42:24 +0000

can’t wait for you to eat crow on this one tim. i’ll never let you live this down.

By: Meat Balls

Meat Balls — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:32:24 +0000

Tim – I typically agree with you, but I think (I pray) your prediction for Moyer’s season is dead wrong. The guy is a proven work horse, and his pitching mechanics appear to be effortless. In order for the Phillies to even come close to a repeat, he has to have at least 13 wins. My prediction is 14-9 WL ERA 4.21

GO PHILLIES!!!!!!

By: Bruce

Bruce — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:23:23 +0000

Tim predicts~ “I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again — I expect a shorter season for Moyer. 2009 Projection: 86.1 IP / 3-3 / 4.69 ERA / 30 BB / 43 K / 0 CG / 1.44 WHIP”.

Geoff predicts~ “My prediction: 65.0 IP 2-6 7.45 ERA.”

OK… I saved this and will post it again later in the season for all to see. (chuckles)

By: ryan

ryan — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:12:46 +0000

tim. i think you are just looking for negatives so you don’t appear to be a homer. i can’t follow you’re logic on moyer at all. i see no reason why he would have a short season this year. i mean, he is 46, but he’s also Jamie Freaking Moyer. he defies conventional wisdom. i look for similar numbers as last year from Jamie

By: Tim Malcolm

Tim Malcolm — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:24:12 +0000

philsphan: The Phils didn’t have anyone ready to usurp Eaton quickly. The Phils have Happ chomping at the bit. They have Carrasco. They even have Kendrick hoping for another chance. PLUS I think if Moyer is bounced from the rotation, he’ll have something to say about it.

By: philsphan

philsphan — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:11:51 +0000

There is no way Moyer pitches 86 innings or less with that ERA you projected. Eaton was much worse last season and still pitched over 100 innings.

By: Don M

Don M — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:55:53 +0000

My whole point is that NOBODY in their right mind would have expected Jamie Moyer to pitch better at 45 then he did at 44… so him turning 46 doesn’t mean that he’ll all of sudden forget how to pitch.

On that same note..
I’m not expecting him to be better than last year.. but I’m not expecting him to get yanked from the rotation like 85% of Phillies Nation

Give me 12+ Wins, with a 4.40 ERA, and 1.40 WHIP… he’ll be the #3-#4 in our rotation, and he’s WAY BETTER than what most other teams are throwing out there in those spots

By: Tim Malcolm

Tim Malcolm — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:48:23 +0000

By the way, 4.69 isn’t horrible. It isn’t. But it’ll be a taxing 4.69, and one that will ultimately force him to rethink his spot in the rotation. Those are my cents.