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Idiotic comment of the day Craig. True, Lowe would have been nice. But we didn’t get him now did we? Hamels isn’t quite ready. I agree a few minor league rehab starts are needed. Myers didn’t get off to the best start but pitched effectively after the dreaded first two innings of the season. Moyer didn’t get bombed, he was backed up and error filled infield. True, the starting pitching has not cut it this first week. It’s a bit early to be harping on them.

Craig is right on the money. Moyer is horrible. Smoke and mirrors last year. When he gets hit, he gets killed. Lowe is the perfect pitcher for that ballpark. Chan Ho nobody wanted except us. Happ should be in there. Myers is a head case…You dont know what your going to get. Hamels should be staring with the Iron Pigs for a few starts to get his arm ready. God they look so bad.

Why is no one following up on this idea:

Rich (RTP): Is there enough in the Phillies’ system to make a run at landing Peavy?

SportsNation Keith Law: Absolutely. Donald, Marson, Brown, and maybe a lower-level arm – I have to imagine that would do it. The Padres would get an everyday ss, a near-term everyday catcher (whom I imagine they love because of his plate discipline), a high-ceiling guy in Brown, plus another guy. And the Phillies would still have Carrasco, Taylor, d’Arnaud, etc., so it’s not as if they’d be gutting the system. The question is more whether Peavy is worth that package of prospects than whether the Phils could land him.

To get peavy, I think its marston, drabek, galvis, brown.

But would you go after Peavy? And if so, make it sooner rather than later. Like now. A Peavy-Hamels duo could propel them back to the playoffs. This NL East is going to be a beast.

They need to shake things up.

Too many things go into a trade like that for Peavy not only do you have to gut your entire farm system for 1 guy but on top of that you have to make sure if you do deal for him your not just renting him out so obviously they see his asking price for a contract too steep to chance losing all those top players for 1 player.

peavy oswalt webb and halladay will all be available by the deadline. id personally take webb out of that bunch. hes owed the least amount, is a groundball pitcher, is the youngest and arg. the best

Anyone who said we should start a veteran ace starter in AAA really doesn’t know anything about baseball pure and simple.

Did you not notice the fact barely a single ‘ace’ made it through their first start without getting tagged badly, do you not remember Sabathia for his first few starts last year? Myers, Moyer and Blanton getting hit… Grow up and complain when a complaints valid which isn’t now when starting pitchers are not conditioned. The offenses snails-pace start it more of a cause for concern than the pitching… Seriously… The Phils are 1-3 waaa waaa… Jump off the ship because we don’t need your kind!

Getting Peavy is not possible as he has a full no trade clause and has made it clear who he’d consider joining and if it were possible there is a framework for a deal and Peavy has said it mustn’t cripple his new teams future which pretty much killed the Braves& Cubs deals.

this kind of drama happens every single year, except this year we have added ‘fans’, dont worry, all of this negative production will get rid of all the bandwagoners we had that came over to the new season. This time in 2 months it will be baseball smart people making baseball smart comments that are valid to the game, instead of all this complaining.

the Phillies will be fine

the phil’s will have to figure things out soon though,i know it’s still early,but it’s looking very ugly right now especially the starting pitching,maybe it’s time to try and go get jake peavy.

ithe offense is playing almost the same as they played at the beginning of last year, except theyre actually playing better..believe it or not…they still need to CRUSH Jorge De La Rosa – who is TOTAL SLOP – if they fail to do that there is LEGITIMATE cause for concern, because he REEeeally sucks.

Lowe is great but clearly the Phillies wanted to keep their legendary lineup together…which they did. as well as lock up key pitching close to free agency of their own..

ithink lowe would have been perfect, but he just wanted too much…i think MOYER was a mistake to bring back – he should have retired with class. but hes hanging on too long and hes asking for humiliation and hes going to get it – AND I DONT WANT TO SEE THAT. but were going to have to go through that first before youll see happ take his place.

forget jake peavy, he would get LIT UP in this ballpark. his ERA on the road last year was like 4.5 ….

Your wrong Nj. You need to put Hammels for a few starts in AAA. He had no spring training. Its better then him throwing 86 and getting killed.

This is such a fickle bunch. Cole gets beat up on his first outing and some are hitting the panic button. Good grief gentlemen, it’s the first week of the season.

NJ, I hear what you are saying, Cole Hamels is an ace and shouldn’t be sent to the minors. But this is different. It’s not a punishment for pitching poorly, its akin to extended spring training. He pitched seven innings this spring training, not nearly enought to stretch his arm ready. He is not ready. I don’t necesarily think they need to send him down to get some work, but I don’t think the notion is crazy. You ask if we think we know more than the coaching staff…well here is a direct quote from Charlie Manuel after yesterday’s game:” I’m concerned about it,” Manuel said. “He was having a hard time locating the ball and putting it where he wants to, but Cole Hamels doesn’t pitch at 86 miles an hour. He pitches at 88-to-93. There’s a huge difference. That tells me that he is not quite ready yet.” Sounds like the coaching staff is concerned as wel..

Can’t believe I’m actually reading all this debate about Cole. Jeez everybody, yeah the losses suck and I hate to see the pitchers (especially Cole) get bombed……nothing worse than being at the game on Tuesday night in the cold and watching Moyer stink it up……..but let’s just take a big deep breath and relax. Everything will be ok. It may take awhile and some moves may be needed….I like the possibility of Happ in the rotation……but 4 games in is no time to panic.

personally i’m not at all worried about hamels. we all knew he wouldn’t be sharp. he had virtually no spring training this year . and to get thrown into the fire in colorado in that park against that lineup it certainly not an easy starting point. cole will be fine after he gets 3 or 4 starts under his belt