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Marson isn’t a Major-League ready catcher.. yet.

I think Bako is a really good Defensive catcher? Maybe just some insurance to have an experience backup for later in the year, just in case

Its just that if something happens to Ruiz.. and knowing that Coste can’t play everyday..

do you want an inexperience Marson.. or a veteran, Bako calling games when they matter?

Hopefully this situation never comes up, but its another “just in case” move that gives us some needed depth

Oops, I meant Single A…

Geoff i agree, i don’t understand why Ruiz is so highly regarded when he hits .220 every year?

Marson, to me, looked COMPLETELY OVERMATCHED in his brief stint this year.. in his first game at Washington, he had 2 hits …another the next night

and then went 1-for-11, with 7 Ks.. 3 walks.. and a run scored

He’s got a good arm, but isn’t in sync at all with the pitchers (experience factor, though)..

We can agree to disagree, I just didn’t think he looked ready, and said so as soon as they sent him back down… Maybe by August he will be, but I don’t think he is right now

ADAM EATON and KYLE KENDRICK could/do play for other major league teams.. so lets not use that arguement as a determining factor..

Just saw something on ESPN First Take that the Mets and Phillies have a lot of interest in Cliff Lee

First off, Marson is a young catcher who was slotted in the #8 hole right in front of the pitcher. It’s not like he saw a whole bunch of good pitches to hit. One thing I noticed about Marson was his ability to work the count. Even if the end result was a strikeout, just working deep into a count can help a lot more than ruiz’s 2-pitch ABs.

Marson IS major league ready and his time will come.

I got so fired up about Marson I forgot to comment on the Coste thing. I think it was good to get depth but I DON’T think Coste is the RH pitch hitter they need…

Hopefully he brings a starter for him in a deal instead of our RH answer off the bench.

Coste has no trade value….and hes not the ideal pinch hitter from teh right side…

Dan Haren.. 2.09 ERA, 0.89 WHIP isn’t going anywhere… how did his name come up?

THe Diamondbacks signed him through the 2012 season, so they are in no rush to move him at all.

The AAA guys and AA guys will be called up “permantantly” only if injuries or unbalanced trades take place. Other than that, the only call up I see happeneing that may last, is Kendrick, a bullpen guy, maybe marson/mayberry for depth only. Ruiz has to play worse than Lance Parrish (the Philly one) to loose his job. Everything else is for depth purposes only.

Building for the future is not the Phillies number 1 priority right now. We want to win; hence the several re-signings of all people arbitration eligible to keep this team happy and “together”.

keeping the future looking positive is a smart move though becuase in 3-4 years.. our rotation is 80% different than it is today.. with Hamels still being here.

Feliz is gone, Ibanez is gone, … Rollins probably will be on his last legs.. Howard will probably be gone after this current contract..

Lidge and Madson will both be done their contracts..

So you dont want to just trade all your prospects for guys to help you win another World Series.. you want to keep adding pieces that you think can help you win.. and have a new puzzle starting to come together in your farm system, instead of at the MLB level

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My best guess for who the Phillies get (if he’s really avaiable).. Aaron Cook from the Rockies.. a 4.41 ERA lifetime, and his entire career at Coor’s Field.. he throws almost 60% Ground Balls.. and wouldn’t cost a lot to obtain.

Kendrick can go there since he’s a sinkerball pitcher in return.. I wonder what that would cost, but he’s the type of arm they go after.. I can’t see us outbidding NY for Cliff Lee, etc

If you can draft and develop talent, then trading prospect for missing pieces is the way to be successful. this team has older guys in there prime. so we sacifice a year of howard who is probalbey leaving , and utltley busting his guts. and rollins and others because we have to keep our prospects even if a trade can win us a pennant, can’t ever agree with that losing attitude, and then the rockies will take Kendrick I guess they don’t scout him in lv. or see him against there minor league teams. Good team like boston trade for missing pieces and fill in there weak spots with trades, they draft well, For the first time since we had the four great pitching prospect at reading, coggins and others who amount to nothing we have players other teams want, if tomorrow we trade our top prospect for a top pitcher a 1 or 2 what the hell is wrong with that, what guaranteed is there that any of these kids makes the team let alone becomes a 1 or 2 if financial you can do it why not?

If the mets get involved we will back off off cliff lee. the phillies HATE bidding wars. they grabbed ibanez under the radar with no one to bid against and they really lucked out that he is this good.

Aaron Cook is another back end guy that they have enough of already. I know they love to do that but its only worth grabbing cook if the asking price is Kendrick and some decent throw ins.

They should try to do something off the radar because tahts what theyre really good at. Making that surprise move where noone is competing with them that really helps the ball club win without sacrifing their future.

You can keep Carrasco where he is. there are PLENTY of other younger arms to package together and the draft is coming up soon anyways. This draft, the Phillies should be going over slot due to their lack of top round picks and spend money to lock up a better player.

i agree to an extent mikemike, but why trade away possible talent when it may not be necessary? I know thats not all your saying. Also, why trade guys who the organization feel can help us in 1-2 years for some one who will be on the roster for 2 1/2 months? When, in my opinion, we do not “need” Cliff Lee and his contract at this point. Maybe in July if are out 2-3 games and a starter is hurting.

Its a business also. Im not sure how much Lee’s contract is worth, but im sure its not 450,000.

I wanna win every single year, and if we win by using our own draftees than so be it. If we have to dump 2-3 of them to get the missing piece than by all means, do it. i just think its a little to early to be talking about trading 2-3 prospects for something we dont “have to have”. Just my opinion.

mikemike.. you gotta type one sentence at a time..

If we could add a Roy Halladay or someone who is CLEARLY a stud pitcher.. then yea, you open the vault and them take whatever they want in return..

But would you feel comfortable doing that for Buerhle, or Bedard?

Do we know that those guys will be any better than Carrasco or Drabek in two years??

I think right now we’re more than a few “pieces” away from repeating as WS Champs.. but since we’ve got some valuable pieces coming up the system.. maybe we’re currently closer to contending in 2011 than most other teams (if that makes sense)

You can’t really compare us to the RedSox because they have a $200 M payroll, and buy whoever they want.. They will start to slide though, as Ortiz isn’t great anymore, JD Drew is old.. Ellsbury isn’t the All-World player they thought he would be..

They’ve got a lot of pitching, but if they are smart, they’ll keep it because Wakefield, Dice K, Beckett, etc.. are old and or injury prone..

Rumor had it that Joe Mauer was their prime target of the future.. now Im seeing Victor Martinez as the guy they want to be their Catcher

When you talk about prospect it isn’t a 200 million dollar payroll. Each team puts x amount of dollars in the draft. The Florida marlins are one of the best at drafting there problems is they can’t keep them.I really think this team has a two or three year window and unlike the eagles who just want to be competitive. The phillies should grab the chance to win again. I want a guy who with Hamels gives us a great matchup nomatter who we play. you really don’t have a two or three right now. Myers and is 88 miles an hour fastball doesn’t cut it. Carrasco , maybery kenrick aren’t going to get you a top pitcher, I don’t worry about Victorino or Werth, not with all the outfield prospects we have, Taylor. Brown, Collier, Gose ,we lack infielders. Get into the playoffs and with Hamels, then another stud, in short series two studs with our offense would be dynamite. Last year we got a Cook type in blanton, he got lucky but the real blanton stinks, If you are telling me that Hamels and Howard are gone, then lets win now, Because guys like howard and hamels, don’t come along often so take the window and run.

Thats for sure…It ALL depends on the asking price for Buerhle and guys of his caliber.

And sorry didn’t the white sox G.M. get accuse of trading damage goods, By more than the phillies. Can you trust Him?.

Well Moyer has a LONG way to go to get back. In order to keep me quiet about him, he needs to shut down the Reds and Marlins in consecutive starts. Hes really up against it.

I think Ruben Amaro made the statement that theyre in win now mode. They will let a few guys go liek Burrell and maybe Myers and they will replace a few of those guys with young players. but they are a big market team now. That doesnt mean they should go bonkers with payroll, and they wont. But they locked up a bunch of guys this offseason. The Hamels (who still has one arb year after his contract expires) and howard deals and the length or rauls cotnract and lidges cotnract show me that they really think they have three years with this general group.

So if yorue trading for a starting pitcher you want to keep that in mind…

but once their contracts end, howard and rollins, probably ibanez (who will be like 38/9 then), myers, feliz, blanton all seem gone. maybe werth and victorino will be extended, maybe one maybe none. hard to tell at this point.

Blanton doesn’t bother me as much as what they gave up for a average pitcher. Outman is already starting ,and cardenas will be a good second basemen he is twenty one and already got moved to triple a and they just moved spencer to duouble a. How much more did the cubs give up or diamondbacks for better pitchers. The thing is last season even though he was getting victories, most games charlie had to pull him in 5 innings or 6 not a inning eater like advertised. just look at his quality starts last year. He was like lucky, just like lee last year unhittable. how about this year.

But Outman wasn’t ready last year.. and this year would have been another “tweener” either Long-relief for us.. or maybe spot-starts here and there..

Blanton was a guy that they thought could help us last year.. and he did..

but because he did, now people think he’s better than what he really is.

Its true that he’s not living up to his Innings Eater title.. but its because he’s walking too many batters, for whatever reason (is he throwing new pitches?)

mikemike- Outman and Cardenas is something of a loss but Cardeneas is Left
handed and not so great at short. Spencer wouldn’t make our top 3 OF prospects let alone our MLB team.

Don M – “Buerhle and Bedard are worth more than Lee…” I actually disagree with this. First off, Bedard’s injury history is scary. 2nd, Buerhle never had a yr like Lee did in ’08. I can see the Indians asking for the same quantity as they got for CC just less in quality. Still if I were the Indians I would have to ask for alot. I mean Carmona is looking real bad. They need something in return. Sowers? Laffey? They need some more pitching.

I think Cook would be a great pick up. I dunno what Bedard would cost. I think Washburn will be available. He’s having a nice year so far.