Commentary: Be Proud, Nation
Posted by Tim Malcolm, Mon, May 18, 2009 07:22 AM | Comments: 24
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A 700 Level photo showed a bare section 104 at Nationals Park, just before game one of the Saturday doubleheader between the Phillies and Nats. Fast forward some six hours: The place looked like Citizens Bank Park.
One of the themes carried on from the Phils four-game sweep in Washington was the sheer volume of Phillies fans at Nationals Park. In fact, Saturday night’s game was the second-largest crowd at Nationals Park this season (after opening day, against the Phils). What I’m taking away from that? We did well. Very well.
First off, I want to thank all of you who came to Nationals Park with us Saturday. Our trip was a success — from the tailgate to the game, we had a great time despite the rain throughout the evening. I hope you all had fun. It seemed like it — out in the crowd, we put together some impressive “Raaauuuuuul!” chants, and altogether seemed to dominate the D.C. audience.
And that’s what happened — on the television broadcast, we really came through loud and proud. It wasn’t just Phillies Nation’s group; thousands of Phillies fans roared with each big play. It was clearly a home game.
It was the best kind of home game, too.
Of what we know, there was no violence. There was no fans with broken bottles thrown at their heads. There was nothing thrown onto the field. There was no cursing. No badmouthing. No, this wasn’t a Phillies-Mets special at the Bank, this was a wonderful gathering of devoted Phillies fans. And that’s the difference.
The media slams Philadelphia sports fan behavior because a select group of crowd members get too drunk, too rowdy and too unhinged at Citizens Bank Park or Lincoln Financial Field. It happened at Veterans Stadium often, and at Eagles games, because Eagles games were methods of stepping outside of reality for many Philadelphians. These days, Phillies games have become fan Petri dishes, but because they’re more excuses for idiots to drink and express themselves outside of everyday life. Watch who gets involved in rowdy activity at a Phillies game — tell me that person isn’t someone with confidence issues, and I’ll buy you a hoagie.
We drank Saturday. We cheered and hooted and hollered Saturday. But nobody became intense, nobody became violent. Those of us at Nationals Park wanted nothing more than to visit a new ballpark and cheer their team, not start fights.
So while Nationals Park sounded and looked like Citizens Bank Park, and sections 103, 104 and 105 were filled with Phillie fans galore, be proud that you came across as true fans. Be proud that you represented Phillies nation … and Phillies Nation … incredibly well.
















Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC
This is because DC fans are quite nicer than NY fans. Some of the filth on their blogs put baseball to shame. Nothing wrong with the Nats; even if they become good and all, I suspect the issues would not be as bad. I think my wife and I will come up there one game, it is close than Philly for us!
Posted: 08:23 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC
Let me clarify “their”
This is because DC fans are quite nicer than NY fans. Some of the filth on NY Mets’ blogs put baseball to shame. Nothing wrong with the Nats; even if they become good and all, I suspect the issues would not be as bad. I think my wife and I will come up there one game, it is close than Philly for us!”
Posted: 08:24 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed
Tim I agree with you in that Philadelphia sports fans have long gotten a bad rap due to the actions of a select few. But one of the principle differences between what you pointed out in your post about there being no violence at Nationals park and Citizens Bank is more about the venue and less about the people. Phillies/Eagles/Flyers fans are particularly tough on fans of opposing teams, especially the Mets/Cowboys/Giants/Redskins/Devils/Rangers/Penguins. I have seen the Phillies plan in a couple different parks and at none of them have I seen Phillies fans be treated the way some Phillies fans treat the fans of opposing teams. Now I have never been to a Phillies and Mets game in New York so I can not speak to what goes on there. But I have been to a Yankees and Red Sox game a few years ago wearing a Red Sox jersey(it was on my way back from a trip to Boston) and even there, I didn’t get the overwhelming feeling that something bad was going to happen to me.
Now in the same vein I will say that recently I was at a Flyers and Pens game in Philly and a Phillies and Mets game in Philly and in both times the fans of the opposing teams seemed to egg on the Philly faithful and for that I am all for them getting what they deserve. As long as it does not involve violence or things being thrown. I have no problem with, in fact I encourage fans of opposing teams to come down to Philly and see their team play. They have every right to and they should be treated with respect and admiration for doing so. But at the same time, when your team does something good, don’t stand up and make a scene and start giving fingers and basically asking for a beating because it’s what you will get. Even though Violence should never ever be the solution to anything. Especially when kids are around as they always are, especially at Phillies games.
Does Philly get a bad rap? Absolutely. Is it somewhat deserved? Unfortunately. Yes its only a select few who do the things that Philly gets slammed for, but that’s all it takes.
Posted: 08:24 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 BigDaddy
Great Job! Phillies Nation. My family and I had a fantastic time in D.C.
thanks to your planning and organization of an outstanding trip. The bus, giveways, food, comraderie and of course the GAME made for a really enjoyable day. Sign me up for the next trip.
PROUD to be a PHILLIES FAN
Posted: 08:27 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Phillies Phan SC
And the way the Phillies play the Nats is always interesting… I appreciate the article and I hope to see you all there
Posted: 08:29 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Groty
Yes, you were noticed!!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090517&content_id=4783096&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi
Posted: 08:40 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 mwiggs
My favorite part was when Zimmerman’s HR got thrown back onto the field, as if it were CBP! Way to go, Phils and fans!
Posted: 09:41 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Bruce
Tim says~ “…The media slams Philadelphia sports fan behavior because a select group of crowd members get too drunk, too rowdy and too unhinged..”. There is a good solution though not popular with both fans and management (looking out for their revenue profits). The unmentionable “ban” on acoholic beverages. The results can only be positive especially for what should be a family entertainment at a ballgame.
Posted: 10:57 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
While banning alcohol at the stadium might be a solution, it would only ramp up the imbibing of beverages before the game. You’d still have drunk people coming in.
One solution, then, could be keeping out the drunk before they get in. While it’s possible (though I don’t think there’s a precedent), are ticket takers able to spot who is drunk and keep out those people? There are many other issues to tackle with that.
It’s sad, but idiots will get in and cause havoc no matter what.
Moreover, business is business. Beer and alcohol sales help drive revenue. It comes down to common intelligence. I’ll have one beer at the park. If I tailgate, I have two beers, max, before the game.
It was nice that, on our trip, people kept pretty controlled with alcohol. We had a few overindulgent drinkers, but nobody was out of hand.
Posted: 11:17 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 mikemike
I don’t drink only at a wedding a couple of drinks, but to ban alchol for all isn’t the answer, how about a limit you show you license and are given two coupons or three prebought beer, and that’s it no more and if you try the computer will see you already had your limit. now some will have people buy for them but it would cut down a lot of the slobs who ruin it for people with there kids, and others.
Posted: 11:32 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
my uncle works for Aramark.. and he said that the numbers coming in for concessions are WAY DOWN.. and the ticket sales and gate numbers are WAY UP.. meaning that people are going to the games, but not spending that much money once they get inside
I think 99% of the people drunk at the games are doing their damage Pre-Game.. where you can get a case for $20-30…. instead of the $7 beers inside
Posted: 11:41 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
You go to a tailgate lot, chip in for a case with your friends, then whoever has the car takes the case and they stop at the best local hoagie/cheesesteak place in their area. I take the train, so usually someone else will transport hte beer and food and you all meet up in the lot. Although when its really hot you dont want to get that drunk because youll get dehydrated.
Posted: 11:50 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 mikemike
that is possible, If the concessions are down it’s there fault, hot beer for 7, soda, 5, it gets to a point you just can afford it for a lot of people. but concession are a big part of there income. Dollar dog night 70,000 dog sold, I go to a lot of sixers games, free tickets because of my daughter, but me and my kid still spend a good amount parking soda sandwiches, ff are 7.50 that is a disgrace
Posted: 11:51 AM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 T Marty
i want to say Saturday was amazing. We were in Section 101. 55 of us from the American Legion Post 84. It did feel like a home game. I’ve been to Washington before, and there’s always a lot of Phils fans, but i’ve never seen this many on the road. I got a picture of Raul when he tipped his cap to our sections. How cool is that? Oh, and i’m sure a great many of us were drunk, but we are true fans, there to respectfully cheer on our teams. It was a great time.
Posted: 12:33 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Also… I HATE watching games on TV in their stadium.. the high camera angle behind home plate… Is that from a Freakin BLIMP or something??
Posted: 12:39 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 gabriel
the best part was when they showed the philsphans in left field doin the “we’re not worth” thing for rauuuuuuuuuuul when he came out on the field…
the idiots will always be a nuisance for any and all sporting events, concert events, well, any kind of event that a few drinks may enhance…
this is like ‘gun control’… take the guns away watch the crime rate decrease! right? wrong… people will kill eachother with spoons if they had to… and people will get drunk and be jerks at games… it’s just the way it is…
but way to represent the phillies nation in DC.!!!
great sweep, let’s keep the momentum going!
Posted: 12:57 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 j cole
it was a great time… even with the weather. the only down part was how non-fan friendly the park’s staff really was.
Posted: 01:35 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
gabe… leave the gun control stuff out of it.. because that is the most incorrect statement ever..
most of the incidents where people shoot and kill someone … these clowns are carrying guns because they aren’t man enough without them..
If people fought with fists the world would be a better place
Posted: 01:44 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Sam McManus
I think maybe it’s just that Nats fans are (with good reason) very unwilling to get in a war of the words with fans of an actual professional baseball team
Posted: 03:06 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Georgie
As a non-drinker, I would love to see alcohol banned from sporting events, but I realize that will never happen. I wish there was a way to keep the sloppy drunks out though, there’s nothing worse than getting puked on by someone you don’t even know(I don’t mind if it’s someone I DO know-jk). Tim, I can’t believe you keep it to one or two beers at a game, that is very mature for a guy your age, too bad everyone doesn’t have your common sense, we wouldn’t have a problem then.
Posted: 03:37 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 Desi Relaford
“the only down part was how non-fan friendly the park’s staff really was”
I had the total opposite experience. First of all, I barely saw any staff in the stadium. And I was able to walk into pretty much any section of the stadium. I was sitting about 4 rows behind the Phillies dug-out for a few innings. The vendors were pretty funny. The one got an attitide going with me and would not sell me a beer, and I asked why. He smiled, and said because the keg just kicked. And then he recommeded another brand. I had another usher tell me which food stands had the best food and which had the best beers. The half-smoked all the way from Ben’s was great, but you need a fork to eat it.
And I was one of the people who overindulged on beers on the bus and in the parking lot. And i had a great time walking around the stadium talking to people. The Nats fans were great. I respect anybody who supports a team that bad.
I don’t blame alcohol for the problem. Some people are just jerks- some drink, some don’t. I have worked in bars for years- I know how people get when they are drunk. There does seem to be a different mentality amoung the younger (20-25 years old) Phillies fans with how they drink. When I was in college, my friends and I used to go to the Vet because it was a place to get drunk, scream and have nobody bother you. You could sit in the 700 level and not have anybody around you for 500 feet. We cheered for the Phanatic and sometimes the Phillies. (This was the late 90′s/ early 2000′s. Rico Brogna was the best player. And there was nothing better than booing Travis Lee.) It was all in good fun. There were never any fights or arguments. But there is this very drunken macho aspect in the younger fans, and they have to drink as much as possible. And they are not happy unless they get thrown out of the game or at least yell at somebody. I have never seen people drink so much and have so little fun. It is a lot of built up rage. It seems to have crossed over from the Eagles fans attitude. That is the reason I stopped going to Eagles games years ago. It’s baseball, it is the most mellow team sport around. Just sit back and relax and enjoy the game. And the Phillies just won the World Series- why so angry?
Posted: 04:37 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 1650 Tim Malcolm
Georgie, I did all my partying in college. Realized my liver can’t take too much abuse. I keep it very casual.
Posted: 04:41 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 kk
Tim…YOU were a great leader on the bus…even if most of us didn’t get the trivia!
It was a great trip and one I would do again, although not to the Nats park, some of their staff were pretty rude, especially with the rain. I mean we were all wet..
But over all it was a FANTASTIC time and one that will definately be repeated!
Thanks for a memorable weekend!
Posted: 07:20 PM on May 18, 2009
Posts: 0 GREENINIL
The post of the fans who went to DC remind me of my trip to DC back on 12/26/74 to see the Flyers play their 1st game ever in DC against the Capitals. As many of more Flyer fans than Capitals. Took a picture of Bernie Parent on the ice without his mask on – a very rare sight! No problems for fans from Philly on that day either! Also, 1st Capitals home sellout due in a large part to the fans from Philly.
Posted: 02:44 PM on May 19, 2009