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If Mayberry Stays, He Plays

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, May 26, 2009 10:48 AM | Comments: 89
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MayberryCharlie Manuel told reporters he wants John Mayberry Jr. to stick with the major league team for a little while. It’s good news for the slugging outfielder, who will attempt to prove his worth as an everyday player.

But Mayberry can’t prove anything if he stays on the bench too much. Moreover, the Phillies can’t determine whether Mayberry could be an everyday player for them – which would then allow them to explore possibly moving Jayson Werth for pitching. So if they’re going to keep Big John Stud up for a while, they need to start him as much as possible.

Tonight would be a start. It wouldn’t be a bad night to sit Raul Ibanez, who despite his hot play, is 0-for-6 lifetime against scheduled Florida starter Andrew Miller. Maybe tomorrow would be a good time to sit Jayson Werth, mired in a 2-for-27 slump, against righty Burke Badenhop.

The Phillies need to give Mayberry a chance to succeed and show his value. In the long run, it would benefit the Phils in spades.

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  • Posts: 0 pb

    I think Vic could get the night off especially after that play last night. He hasn’t had one all season so it will definitely come while Mayberry is the big club. LF Ibanez, CF Werth, RF Mayberry

    and the lineup will be something like this…

    Rollins
    Utley
    Werth
    Howard/Ibanez
    Ibanez/Howard
    Feliz/Mayberry or
    Mayberry/Feliz
    Ruiz

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    I definitely would sit Werth at the first opportunity since he has looked so dreadful in a 2 for 27 slump. Ibanez who had the assigned role as DH in weekend series against the Yankees and which qualifies as a modified “rest” on the bench, has to continue to play. The team needs his bat while he is still hot.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    This season, I can foresee that the first stopgap guy they try to get could be cheap: Cook would only cost Kendrick & Savery plus maybe a throw in. Same with Marquis.

    But to get that second top end guy, the number two. Itll cost them either Wer or Victorino plus Carrasco and maybe one or two other decent prospects.

    Bedard is going to walk anyway so thats not worth it, so I think if theyre going to get someone that good hed better be around more than two months.

    Tonight: Mayberry should start in place of Shane Victorino, tomorrow in place of Werth. You need to see what hes got.

     
  • When Romero comes back, isn’t Mayberry going to be the one to go? The bullpen needs help and everyone besides Lidge is pitching pretty well.

     
  • Posts: 0 Justin

    You know i wouldn’t mind talking to the Red Sox to see what could be worked out if the Phils offer Jayson Werth for any of their pitching prospects, Bard/Bucholz/etc. and see what Werth and maybe 1 prospect would get in return as opposed to all prospects. I know that I’d rather see the Phils deal him to the AL then see him come to town every year. I don’t want anything to do with Erik Bedard the Mariners are pricing him out of range. The Astros would have no use for Werth with Pence/Bourn/Lee/Berkman etc. in that crowded outfield. The Orioles don’t have any room for him either so there really aren’t a whole lot of teams that would have interest in an outfielder.

    Any ideas on teams that need an outfielder that may have a pitcher on the block, preferrably on the AL side?

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Geoff, no way they get Cook for that. Kendrick is soooooo over and Savery is a marginal prospect right now. But that would be great. As for Mayberry, they do have to play him now cuz he’s too old (in a profession where 25 can be considered old) to stay down. If you’re gonna start him 2-3 days a week…fine. Otherwise, trade him or trade Vic or Werth to open up the spot (which I would never do). His stock is probably high right now. Remember, he had his stance changed around in spring training and started to fall back into “bad habits” at the end of spring training. I love the guy. Quite simply, and I thought I would never say this, in Marson, Donald and Mayberry, we may just have an embarrassment of riches right now.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Word is Penny is available for a “decent” prospect. Maybe a guy like Sampson or Galvis might get it done? I really dont think teams will be lining up trying to give the farm for a guy like Penny.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Pat, when Romero comes back we drop Taschner like fourth period French.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Geoff, “the dipsy” needs you over in the other thread to indulge in that wish list of pitchers you so desire. ;-)

    Pat Gallen, good point about Romero. I believe it’s June 3rd that Romero returns. Until that time Manual will probably look for every opportunity to give Mayberry Jr some playing time (pinch hitting, double switches, substituting) to get a read on what he can do at this level of play. If Mayberry Jr excells, then it’s a pleasant problem for Manual come June 3rd.

     
  • if they cant get enough at-bats for Mayberry though, it would seem counter-intuitive to have him sit around on the bench when he could be getting reps and refining his skills in Triple-A. I agree, Taschner should be dropped, but you can never have enough arms.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Clay Bucholtz?

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Oh, oh..too late. Now you have done it Geoff. The rest of this thread will belong to the baseball fantasy GM wanna be’s with the ever present wish list in hand. Enjoy your time here. Just one reminder, it’s another TWO months before the non-waiver july 31st deadline. Oh hum……

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Even Taschner (and his 3.66 ERA) has been good! Look at the last 10 games he’s pitched, and there’s only one poor outing (a blown save against the Braves on May 10th)… everything else has been pretty good. But he’s still gotta go when JC comes back!

     
  • Posts: 0 J. Weitzel

    Good topic. At some point, it becomes a waste to sit on a 25-year-old prospect whose ceiling with this team is in a platoon anyway. Mayberry will get his shots to produce with Interleague approaching and players needing time off. Werth could use time off. Riding the pine is just how it goes sometimes. Chase Utley sat the bench at first. Just the way it goes, especially on a team as deep as the Phils. The Phils just so happen to really need his RH bat, so Mayberry is a nice fit. I’m sure he’s thrilled to be away from a terrible IronPigs team.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Well since thats the main problem for this team right now its logical to discuss it at length.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Here is a thought. The BoSox have a surplus of pitching available. They also desperately need a SS. Why haven’t we talked to them about Jason Donald for Clay Buckholtz or Daniel Bard?

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I agree though that hes gotta play today and tomorrow. See if hes any good so we can decide who we can afford to trade for pitching.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed

    Taschner will get sent down because he still has options left. Where as everyone else would be put on waivers first and the Phillies would risk losing them for nothing.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Penny is ok as a 3/4. Arm problems? Geoff or Mikemike, what do you know about this Overbeck cat thats hitting the carp out of the ball down in A ball. He’s got 54 rbis.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Penny is ok as a 3/4. Arm problems? Geoff or Mikemike, what do you know about this Overbeck cat thats hitting the crap out of the ball down in A ball. He’s got 54 rbis.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Why not talked to the BoSox about Jason Donald for Bucholz or Bard… Probably because Epstein would tell Amaro to go F himself and then mail him a brown bag full of crap.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Really NJ? That’s what he’d do? Have you seen the Sox SS performance? It’s brutal. I think Buckholtz, more than Bard, can be had. Would they do Donald straight up? Probably not, but instead of mailing him a bag of crap, as you so intellectually put it, they would negotiate. A deal could absolutely be worked out. Buckholtz would be cheaper than established veterans, and he wouldn’t be a 2 month rental. And our main trade chip would be a guy who’s more than likely blocked from the majors for at least another year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed

    Dipsy what Overbeck are you talking about? Cody Overbeck on the Threshers is batting like 150 something with 1 homer and I don’t even think he has 10 rbi.

     
  • Posts: 0 pb

    With the state of most team’s pens it should be possible to deal Taschner for somebody’s 4th or 5th outfielder. That way Mayberry can get his regular AB’s in Triple A….. say a Gabe Kapler type

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed

    In what world is Buchholz more available than Bard? The guy is dominating at AAA with a 3-1 record and a 1.30 era. Not to mention he already has a no hitter in his brief MLB career. If anyone in Boston is getting traded its Brad Penny.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    havent heard of him…

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Geoff what planet were you on when you came up with those two trade packages above?

    Steve-O if you think Bucholz or Bard are available you should apply for a job as an exec with the Phillies because you must know something no-one else in the league does…

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    I’m saying they are all available because of their depth. Their rotation and minor league depth are ridiculous.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    BTW if the Sox are ‘desperate’ to make move and acquire a shortstop more than a defensive one it’ll be Jack Wilson.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    gabe kepler got traded last week…

    number twos under contract beyond this year wont be cheap (think what itd take to get dan haren, who isnt even available, btu if he was.)

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I think we should call Peter Gammons with some breaking news that there’s a source named Steve-o on phillinesnation.com that will confirm that the Red Sox are willing to deal their top prospects.

     
  • The names right now look like Penny, Cook, Marquis, PEAVY!…Who wants Jake Peavy…with the Phillies embarrassment of riches, we could definitely get ourselves a Jake Peavy, no?

    Anyway, Id rather see Mayberry get his reps for one more year, or at least til September call ups. And no, trading Werth or Victorino should not be an option.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    NJ…read MLBTR…it says repeatedly that they are available for a catcher or a shortstop. they just are holding out for the best deal.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Their not ‘available’, Matt Cain or Roy Halladay aren’t ‘available’… And taking MLBTR for gospel is like quoting from wikipedia, its a collection of writers opinions that are on rarely accompanied by a teams response. Todd Zolecki’s speculation about Peavy was speculation as it came with no response from the team as was Ken Rosenthal’s on the Phillies looking for starting pitching.

    If Daniel Bard, one of the best prospects in baseball was ‘available’ for trade don’t you think he’d be with another organisation right now?

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Actually, Wikipedia is sourced at the bottom, so you can quote it. Just use the sources that they use.

    Not necessarily. Of course theyre not going to say anything, because everyone in baseball knows theyre in desperate need of more starting pitching.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    the trade deadline is a long way from now.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    that doesnt mean you wait until then. the phillies cant wait that long to act on this problem.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    NJ, you really expect teams to comment on everything a beat writer says? And what do you think, the reports are made up? Sources spill to writers. It’s not always golden, but to take what’s written and completely dismiss it all the time won’t do you anything either. If Buckholtz or Bard are 5% available, then my personal opinion is that it’s worth looking into, and making a very large offer.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave S

    Toronto seems to have a collection of arms.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Bard, Buckholz? Why? So we can have two greenhorns in our starting rotation (Happ)? F that. Am I wrong when I represent the following:

    1) Marson is blocked.
    2) Donald is blocked.
    3) Mayberry is blocked. Trade Werth or Vic if you want so Mayberry can play but thats a mistake. Remember, Mayberry was a nobody before spring training. This is no time to break in a rookie.
    4) Other teams really like Marson and Donald and maybe Mayberry, too.

    We can’t “get married” to our good prospects. Play em or trade em. And get a real good picther while you’re at it.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    It’d be nice to get a real good pitcher, but is that possible at this point in the season? by the deadline yeah, but now?

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    right on dipsy. Donald is the most valuable of the blocked guys to me because hes learning to play several positions and I think hell be in the big leagues next year in some fashion. Hes getting time at Third in AAA in case Feliz isnt here next year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    okay let’s go after Halladay, Peavy, and Lee

    after getting those 3 we’ll be solid

    Hamels, Halladay, Peavy, Lee, Myers

    Moyer retires

    Park and Cairo are traded

    ;)

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Sure it is. The Sabathia trade was early July last year. Trades will be happening earlier and earlier. Peavy almost got traded last week. It can Happen.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    I couldn’t resist while still online.. MLBTR..what does it spell? RUMORS GALORE! A heaven for all GM wanna be’s. :-)

    Ok, I’ll mind my own business and check out.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Now youre just being adolescent douches. Nobody is saying anything close to that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    Halladay won’t be traded with Toronto in the race, I don’t even think he’ll be traded anyway

    Peavy wants to be in the NL Central

    but what about Lee?

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    The only guy available right now is probably Penny, although he can’t be traded before June 15th without his consent. He’ll probably be traded right around that time though, since the Sox have to activate Smoltz before June 19th.

    Also, the latest from Ken Rosenthal is:
    Phillies in search of starter

    The Phillies’ rotation appears to be stabilizing, but club officials still will be aggressive in their search for rotation help.

    The team, which already has made an inquiry on Rockies right-hander Jason Marquis, plans to investigate every available option, recognizing that ace left-hander Cole Hamels is their only starter with electric stuff.

    Financial flexibility might be less of an issue for the Phillies than it is for other clubs. While their payroll is a record $132 million, the Phils already have sold more than 3 million tickets. The club’s entire nucleus is signed long-term, and the organization has prospects to spare for trades.

    Excluding Peavy, who probably would not his waive his no-trade clause for the Phillies, Mariners left-hander Erik Bedard represents perhaps the most intriguing fit.

    Bedard, unlike fellow M’s lefty Jarrod Washburn, is a difference-maker. As a potential free agent, he would have every reason to be on his best behavior. But his prickly makeup could be an issue, particularly in Philadelphia.

    Some in the industry continue to speculate that the Red Sox will trade right-hander Daniel Bard, or at least return him to Class AAA.
    One rival scout says Bard’s stock “is as high as it’s ever going to be.” Another says. “He’s a (radar) gun guy, a one-pitch pony. He throws hard, but it’s right down the middle. It’s dead straight — I mean, dead straight. And his slider is not a power slider.”

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Keith stop being a child. Thats not what we’re saying. A scenario: Amaro calls the Blue Jays in 3 weeks when they’re in the middle of an 11 game lsing styreak and says: Marson, Donald, and Mayberry for Halladay. If you’re the Blue Jays do you do it? Humor me here, I’m going somewhere.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dispy

    Bedard. Ok, so thats FOUR lefties in the rotation. If don’t even like having three. Oy.

    The Dispy

     
 
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