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Someone needs to direct them to our comments on this site. I think we have been nice and critical when necessary!

haha this is a funny post, but completely off topic I just read that Victorino is packaged in a bundle for Peavy. Is there any truth to this? I’m okay with trading Victorino, but not for Peavy. Peavy would get lit up in CBP. I don’t think he’d waive that no trade clause either to play here. He’d be terrified of CBP.

phil making that up wont get him here.

Love of team, as in love of country, involves not unconditional love and blind faith but involves questioning, voicing dissatisfaction, and offering criticism, all for the purpose of inspiring those we love to move in a better direction. In the Phils case this means our demands for hustle, using your head, or more front office diligence. Being a Phils fan is advanced citizenship. Sometimes we can even directly affect the outcome of a game at a crucial time (are you there Burt Hooten?). Our players know that when we cheer we mean it and when we boo they deserve it.

The Dipsy

Peavy deal includes – JA Happ and Jason Werth(less)

What is the source on this Peavy package?

MLBTraderumors.com says some assortment of Drabek/Kendrick/Savery/Carrasco would probably be in the deal but if we deal Werth/Carrasco/Donald we may be able to pull that off for Peavy.

This is what ESPN Insider wrote, that MLBTradeRumors copied:

Would Jake Peavy agree to play in Philadelphia?

His agent, Barry Axelrod, said he had not discussed the Padres ace with the Phillies, but would not dismiss the idea.

“He has a strong preference to play in the National League,” Axelrod told MLB.com. “He also wants to play for a contender. Both of those two things play into Philly’s hands. The personnel is awesome. If there is one downside, it’s the geographical difference for him, given that he has made his family home in the San Diego area.”

The Phillies also would have to be willing to take on the remaining $63 million on Peavy’s contract, which is not a given.

can’t see the padres wanting werth with his service time but that would be a good deal for the phils that would prob involve a role player coming our way too but don’t see it happening.

Zolecki has become the biggest knob tease in philly making us think we have a shot at Peavy. Of course we should want him its just almost inconcievable it happening.

I love that every thread on this site quickly turns into a trade rumor / wish list thread.

It does not matter what the thread is about “Matt Stairs has a hang nail”
First Post: “We need Peavy! Myers blows, I want Oswalt. Hey Aaron Cook is Colorado’s 4th starter but he could be a number 2 here.”

TIM: I am begging you can you please create like a trade thread that could hold all of these fantasy baseball/wish list/impossible trade ideas?

It could be like the Ticket Exchange thread that has a link on the side. I feel like it would be for the best since the people who want to discuss the current team and current events would enjoy not having trade talk clog the boards and those who want to talk trades they will have a thread dedicated to it.

Please make it happen, hearing people push for Halladay, Cook and Oswalt is driving me insane.

The Big Dipper

To comment on the fan situation. I have noticed quite a difference between the crowds at the games this year and last year. I have been to 4.5 games (.5 for the on deck series) and you can definitely tell the difference.

It reminds me of what happened to the Red Sox after winning the ’04 series. In the ’05 season the stadium was filled with fake fans, wearing there brand new caps and not really understanding the game. The real fans were few and far between and spread throughout the stadium. The excitement of winning the WS caused for a huge fan base to grow and include many new fans who did not know much about the game and only came for the home runs and to say they were there.

This is what is happening to CBP. Last year no matter where you sat there were real fans. Now every-time I go down to the game I hear some of the most ridiculous quotes.

One fake fan to another “That’s Shane Victornio, they call him the Flying Hawaiian, thats because He is fast and from Hawaii.”

A fan fake cheers, “C’mon J-Roll, get a hit” – The problem was Chase was at bat and Jimmy was on second.

I understand this is what happens when your team wins but it seems thats these not knowledgeable fans fill the stadium. It is now the trendy thing to do, go tailgate and head into the stadium to walk around and hopefully catch a few moonshots from Raul, Howard and Stairs. These fans usually don’t understand the game of baseball and therefore have no idea what they are talking about. I have been at two games where “the wave” went around the stadium for a good five minutes. That would never fly in CBP last year, but this year it seems like a common occurrence.

Sorry forgot.

The Big Dipper

NJ I thought that too but I think a lot of people have shied away from posting on these threads because they also do not want to see these ridiculous trade rumors and get involved with the negative banter.

I think more people will post on these threads and have better discussions about the current team if the trade rumors had their own separate thread.

Peavy would probably not agree to Philadelphia. He rejected the White Sox because the park was too small. We don’t want him anyway, no matter what. Let’s keep what we have and work on them.

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090527&content_id=5000988&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

That’s my point doug go after the grammer and age. how old are you ten? I forgot more about this game then you will ever know. Some of my mistakes are typing. and not reading it before I post. but the point is ,so even you can understand. Blanton start the other night doesn’t make him a 1 or 2 which was stated by someone. And the post was in reference to being call old because I said ,Cain was someone who interest me , didn’t know he had such great stats. I was attack by a person for that post, yet he can post that blanton joke and it’s okay.

Someone is cranky

Who the heck do you think you are Dipper?

Werth has MUCH better all around numbers than Pat Burrell ever did (who for some reason, people considered a GOD) … they don’t have anyone ready to replace him right now.. adding a pitcher, but replacing Werth with Mayberry Jr is not very good move..

Michael Taylor might be good.. but he’s only played 40 games above CLASS A-ball.. he’s doing pretty well in AA Reading, but that doesn’t mena he’s ready to play MLB

Werth’s on pace to have better numbers than last year’s 24 HRs, 67 RBIs, 73 Runs and 20 SBs (he’s already got 8 HR, 26 RBI, 33 Runs, and 8 SB) in only 43 games, but because his batting average is at .255 right now, people are trying to move him in trades.

I think he’s WAY too valuable to the current team to even think about moving in a deal

Jeez, the personal attacks on here seem to have become the norm now, especially the last several days. I’m not sure why, but, whatever. For me it’s kind of a downer to come on here anymore, what’s up people? Can’t you guys discuss something without belittling the other person, does that make you feel big and important? If you’re not interested in someone’s post, DON’T READ IT, no need to rip them a new one. Sorry, but this has been bugging me, carry on.

Big Dipper~ I too have frustrations of seeing a thread being overwhelmed by trade rumors and opinions that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic posed by Tim Malcolm. I easily get discouraged in my attempts to add my thoughts to Tim’s main topic when post after endless posts offered repetitive ideas on trades that often include some personal rancor between “GM wanna be’s” that are posting.

While your idea of a separate thread for such posters is a good one, I don’t think Tim would consider it practical since his primary goal is to attract as many posters as possible to his site for feedbacks and is willing to accept some negative aspects of posting.

However, it’s good to know that I am not alone with that complaint. :-)

Geoff I think I am a poster here just like you and everyone else. Last time I checked Tim doesnt let you post stories or give you special privileges.

I can air my opinions just like you can. You say Ruiz should be sent to Panama and can’t play ball, Moyer should be sent to the retirement farm, Blanton should be demoted.

I just want to comment on my favorite team who I have followed for years without seeing insane amounts of bad trade ideas from failed fantasy baseball GMs.

The Big Dipper

Georgie I didn’t mean to start this and am sorry to the people who think its about them, I Just got mad when all I said was Cain numbers are really good. didn’t know that much about him and would like to trade for him. The person in question who’S name I don’t want to say . Said to the effects I don’t care about your trade you are a old man on a computer. If that is the responses that we can get by posting something it’s crazy,

I’m with you Big Dipper, don’t like the whole arm-chair GM speculation….

IMO, the whole Number 2-5 pitcher thing is brought about by people like Gammons, Rosenthal, Olney, Stark, Etc. The pitching coach doesn’t go into spring training say, well hey Chan Ho, your a number 5 pitcher, so its okay to give up like 4-5 runs a game, because frankly, thats all your supposed to do. No, Dubee deals with every pitcher the same way whether it would be Hamels or Happ.

I just wonder when people say well, Blanton is a number 4, do they really believe that, or is that what someone covering the game said and they just go with it? If i’m not mistaken, Blanton was the opening game starter for the A’s last year, yet hes a number 4 with the Phillies? I think it’s due to Blanton struggling, like every other player does (Rollins), more so then his ability.

Werth has been praised all the time for seeing lots of pitches in his at-bats..

He’s got a higher OBP% than Victorino, more HRs, RBIs, Runs, and SBs in less at-bats..

His average, however, is .255 vs .280 … i just dont get the tough love for Werth..

Opening day pitcher for a bad team. So whoever is the opening day pitcher for the pirates, is he good, Blanton is a four based on his career and stuff, Quality starts is a important factor in evaluation of a pitcher. Last season look at how many times, Santana ,Hamel, and the top guys gave up three runs or less, in 6 innings, Blanton isn’t in there league, and Gammons, and others have there opinion. But its not what makes a guy a quality shutdown one or two, its stuff consistenancy, location, Blanton had it for one game and you are saying he is in there league as a 2-3. Ask any scout . he was a inning eater for a bad team. I don’t understand how a guy who gives up close to 5 runs a game and has so few quality starts is consider a good starter. maybe you are right I am old and don’t know the new game of baseball.