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Moyer Hurls Gem To Notch 250th Win

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Sun, May 31, 2009 04:17 PM | Comments: 48
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Moyer250Jamie Moyer’s best start of 2009 happened to result in win No. 250 of his career. Moyer surrendered just three hits and a run in six innings, leading the Phillies to a 4-2 win and series sweep over the Nationals.

Moyer was his old self, keeping the Nationals off the bases and off balance all day. He was only nicked by a Josh Willingham home run. The slugger was hot, homering later off Clay Condrey. But Ryan Madson and Brad Lidge (another 1-2-3 save) closed the door for the Phils.

Ryan Howard continued his strong display with a big triple, and Raul Ibanez also knocked a three-bagger. Chase Utley added two hits. Chris Coste homered in his first at bat since last Sunday.

This one was all about Moyer, however, returning to form with a landmark victory.

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  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    6IP 8H 6ER 7SO 1BB
    6IP 3H 1ER 4SO 0BB
    Both lefties against the same lineup. Which one looks more like your ace?

    So Hamels had a bad game and everyone says he had an off day give him a break. When Moyer has an off day it’s we need to take him outback and get rid of him, he stinks, he is washed up, he needs to retire.

    All you Moyer haters look at today’s game and his last two starts and its obvious that he still has it. So get off his case and let him do his thing.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 peasant

    he will be inconsistent, but that means wonderful at times, he shouldn’t go anywhere, but he isn’t hamels either

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    I am not comparing him to Hamels just pointing out the inconsistencies in how people judge starts depending on the pitcher.

    Secondly I would like to point out Moyer is the team leader in wins with Myers. with 4 obviously he is doing something right even though he gets minimal run support from the offense

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Enough nonsense, Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Where are all the Lidge haters at now? Last Sunday, i recall multiple people on here calling for his head, saying he lost it, blah blah blah.

    4 straight saves, looks dominant, and i don’t hear anyone now…..

    I told you he is fine, can’t be perfect forever..

     
  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Hamels has 4 wins also, Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Check your stats Little Guy, Hamels has 3.

    How is it nonsense Manny? Moyer led the team in wins last year and he is doing it again this year. But everyone on here including you claims he should be released or put in the pen.

    I told you, you would eat your words. How do they taste?

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 rjb360

    If Moyer regains some form then fine, he can pitch the rest of the year. I don’t care if he has a 3.00 ERA from here on out, though, I DON’T want him pitching in a playoff series. Moyer gets by feasting on insecurity and inexperience.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Ah my fault, could of sworn my text updates said he was 4-2 after yesterdays game.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    First of all, your main argument is comparing the two lines (Hamels vs Moyer)… Hamels has been solid lately, except for yesterday… that’s why everyone says he had an “off-day”… Moyer on the other hand, was pitching really bad for several games in a row, hitters figured him out and couldn’t last 6 innings; he is now much better (since the game vs the Reds) and this great start will now give him the chance to keep improving and becoming consistent (as he was last year). He should be out of the rotation IF he goes back to being really bad, as he undeniably was for a good chunk of the beginning of the season.

    Your other argument is the number of Wins.. and as most of us now, that’s a pretty weak argument. Oh look, Shairon Martis has 5! He’s better than Hamels too!

     
  • Posts: 0 Dan

    Interesting tidbit, he may be one of the leaders in Wins, but he’s also the leader in losses too. Just pointing that out. He’s still one of my favorite players, though. Now all he needs to do is lower his ER per game and he’ll be golden, off to a good start with today’s game and only 1 ER.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Manny… Moyer had a slump, all pitchers and players do. He had three poor games in a row and bounced back. Therefore out of his 10 starts this season he has had three bad starts.

    My point is that every needs to stop overreacting and get off his case because he obviously still has the talent and can win in this league.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Dan he may be the team leader in losses but it should also be noted that in those games he had basically no run support.

    In his 5 losses his run support was 3, 1, 2, 5, 0.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I’m sorry, I just jumped in, but it seems to me that some posters are making the case that Moyer is actually good. Well, he’s not. He’s a #5 starter who’s job is to just keep you in the ballgame and thats what he does…..sometimes. On a .500 team he’d be 8-13.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Dan

    The only thing that concerns me right now with Moyer is the ER he has given in his starts. He has to get that down, because unless we’re playing the Nats it seems as though we’re not getting a whole lot of runs. I liked seeing the start he had today, it’s encouraging if he can only give 1 or 2 ER per game. If the O can’t out score 1 or 2 runs then the loss is on them, but his ER per game has to drop and I hope that it does. The win today definitely will help him with that. I’ve been rooting for him all season and will continue to root for him. Obviously I want to see one of my favorite players perform well, I think we can all attest to that feeling with our respective favorite players.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    16-7 3.71 ERA on a team 22 games over .500 last year.

    This year he has kept his team in the game 7 out of 10 times, about the same as your ace Cole Hamels.

    Yet this year he would go 8-13 on a .500 team? What do you have that backs that up other than a love or Aaron Cooke and other garbage options so you can continue you fantasy trade ideas and bore all of us.

    For a fan of a team who just won a WS and is currently leading their division you sure do seem pretty negative.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Hey Dipper, the five years prior to last year he was 45-45 with about a 4.60 era, with two years over 5.00. I love him but last year was, shall we say, was an aberration. I wish him nothing but the best.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chutley

    welp Tim there goes your 3win prediction for Moyer. I can see him easily reaching double digits again this year

     
  • Posts: 0 steve-o

    Main point is this. Congrats to Jamie Moyer. An absolutely stellar career. Secondly, very happy to see Lidge throwing well lately. Albeit against the Nats.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    I simply want to put in here my heartfelt congratulations to Jamie Moyer for his 250th career win. So many has put down the wily craftsman again and again but for those who follow his career and appreciate his desire and ability there is a sense of vindication today.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Hats of to the pro of pro’s. I’ll say again, Moyer’s value to the team reaches past him on the mound and I’m so chuffed for the guy because this milestone at least puts him in the future HOF conversation, he likely won’t make it but deserves to be spoken of as a guy who’s had a hall worthy career like so many others who have/haven’t and won’t make Cooperstown.

    This team is a juggernaut offensively, the bullpen is one of if not the best in baseball because of its strength in depth and versatility. I genuinely believe Moyer deserves to be in the rotation and as the starting pitching improves, I doubt you’ll see the numbers some hope from a middle of the rotation pitcher but he’ll be so important to taking the pitching up a level.

    Things seem brighter when you look at our rotation and see it like we have a guy who’ll be on the HOF ballot soon.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of NoVa.

    Big Dipper,

    I think you aregoing a little overboard with the Moyer talk. Moyer is still a long reliever at best in most peoples eyes. He fooled a very impatient frustrated Nats team. I like Moyer, but he is definitely inconsistent at best. Yes he will have his good days, but if our hitting is not on that day we need pitchers that are able to to go 7innings giving up 1-2 runs. He was excellent today and had his best outing of the season. He is our best option at this point and I will back him at that, but if Bastardo pitches well enough to get a longer look, we still need a #2 and I would rather move Moyer to the pen.

    In the post season Hamels/Blanton/Moyer/Happ is not going to win you anything. Moyer was pretty bad most of the post season minus his last start. Happ and Blanton are #2′s

    They will make a very long look at the possibility of getting the following,

    Erik Bedard
    Roy Oswalt
    Jake Peavy
    Matt Cain
    Roy Halladay
    Jason Marquis
    Barry Zito-has a nice ERA low run support this year.

    I am sure there are many others that are possibilites, but they need to fix the problem. Just be patient and do the research and do diligence and a good deal should happen for us.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of NoVa.

    Just to add, that Moyer’s accomplishment is superb and if he ends up in the pen, I don’t think that is a knock on him, just working towards his strengths.

     
  • Posts: 0 Miles

    BARRY ZITO?! Please tell me you aren’t serious. Listen I don’t care what his ERA looks like because I know what his IRA looks like. The guy makes unreal amounts of money and is not deserving of it. I don’t want to be contributing to the worst contract in the history of baseball.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    “Moyer is still a long reliever at best in most peoples minds”, which people are you referring to? Moyer is a starter and hasn’t thrown an inning of relief since 2004 and no proper relief since 1996.

    Like Moyer or not he’s a starter and will be nothing other than a starter because being a starting pitcher and reliever is completely different disciplines. Moyer is still a very serviceable starting pitcher otherwise he wouldn’t be in the job he’s in and outside of I think it is 3 bad games he’s not having as terrible a year as his numbers suggest.

    As for reinforcements I can’t believe Zito’s name was brought up, hasn’t he still got a guaranteed $100m left on his contract. Marquis would be nothing more than a short-term book end because he doesn’t have upside and has a terrible attitude to the game. I don’t believe Bedard or Oswalt will give value for their price tags and Cain is un-gettable because the Giants aren’t getting rid, their dangling him for an all-star calibre bat who’ll star in their offense for years to come. Peavy would be a great addition if he could be added, not the best guy or fit and its only a remote possibility but his mouth has covered up how good a pitcher he’s capable of being. Now Roy Halladay would be a fit like Schilling was for the Diamondbacks. IMO it’s going to be hard for the Phils to deal for an elite pitcher unless it’s overpaying massively for Bedard as an impeding free-agent who’ll demand much more money than he’s earned the right to but I have faith Amaro is on the level, I expect a stop-gap start and a little tweaking because I think this team as it stands now is capable of going as far as it would even with a major addition. We’ve seen the team bend but not break and (with some bumps on the way) it’s up from here, once we get to October it’s any mans game and Rodrigo Lopes is just as likely to star as an Erik Bedard because that’s the way October baseball goes…

     
  • Posts: 0 Greg V.

    We need to get rid of Moyer! He can’t do it anymore! Oh, Coste! He’s no good either! We need Nomar, who has already taken two trips to the DL this year!

    On a realistic note, Moyer pitched a great game and Coste called and hit a good game. Many have been giving the both of them a boat load of crap this year and I was glad to see that they fed it right back to the talk radio guys and the bloggers. This was a nice old school ball game from the Phils today, with some nice performances from two quality and valuable vetertans!

     
  • Posts: 0 william

    in the world of #5 moyer is a good choice @ 1yr/5-6 million not a #3 or #4 @ 2yrs/16 million it was a bad signing plain and simple finding a #2 at the right price is now the top priority hopefully they take thier time and and find the right fit now and for the next 2-3 years Oswalt seems like the only one we will be able to get that will work he keeps making statements that he needs a change of scenery and i think with the run support the phillies can give him he may find that #2 status again here in philly for the next 2-3 years

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    What we need to do is create a #2. We have enough arms in the system not tremendously far away that could stick with the big league club and elevate at least one to an important role in the rotation. It’s not going to be easy and there will be growing pains but it has to be the way regardless of any dealing. Carrasco, Bastardo, Savery, Drabek not to mention Stuttes, Knapp, Collier, Naylor, Carpenter not mention Happ who’s already here, we have to stay true to a commitment to getting some of these guys up.

    The only way to afford Cole, Chase, Ryan in their money years and any front line free agents we may want it to get these guys up and not feel aggrieved by the front office adding stop-gaps until the young guys can break through, that’s how you build a dynasty. Just think, even now Papelborn, Pedroia, Lester, Ellsbury, Masterson, Delcarmen, even Youk aren’t really denting the Red Sox payroll for what their getting and that’s a team with an infinite window to win.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    *Scratch Collier- was thinking of one of the other arms drafted last year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dan

    Ryan Madson is the most under rated and under appreciated player on the Phillies.

     
  • Posts: 0 Greg V.

    Yeah I say we get Oswalt, and knowing Ed Wade, we can probably cough up a grab bag of garbage for him too!

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Charlie is going to kill madson, he can’t pitch this much. We really needed cole to got 8 and he didn’t there is no one after him who can pitch a complete game.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I was one of the ones who was knocking Lidge earlier, Little guy. I’ll be glad to eat crow, but I want a few more good saves before we can be sure that Lidge is back to form.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Wondering what clicked for Madson mid last year, his stuff went from good to elite.

    mikemike- in fairness few teams have a guy passed their number one capable of threatening a complete game. Matt Cain has only gone 1 game past 7IP, same with Bedard, Oswalt hasn’t. Kevin Millwood has gone past 7 one time more than those guys combined. In todays game that’s where middle relief has its true value and in any case Blanton is capable of giving extra innings when he doesn’t need to be lifted for a pinch hitter.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Glad to see you have some balls to say that Dave, haha. Just messing with you.

    A lot of people over-react on here about lil mishaps and misfortunes. The season is 162 games, they’re the defending champs, and they’re in First place.

    Take a valium people. haha.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    With JC back in THREE days, hopefully Madson will get a bit more rest. He’s been stellar so far but we are about to cross the fine line between giving him plenty of innings and overworking him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    congrats Moyer! 8)

     
  • Posts: 0 Chooch's Cooches

    Madson will get his rest when JC is back. We’ll pick up a decent starter soon and the rest of the rotation seems better. And it’s hitting season!

     
  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    Moyer should undoubtedly be a HOFer, keep in mind he got most of his 250 wins during the steroid era.

     
  • Posts: 0 christopher

    i’ve got nothing but love for jamie, one of my all-time favorite players and one hell of a phillie. glad you got win #250 on the team you grew up rooting for old man! the haters will hate and the doubters will doubt, but jamie will keep mowin em down with that 82 mph heat.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff of Nova

    don’t get me wrong I like Moyer a lot I just believe if you look at his makeup….. fools batters one maybe twice through the lineup. 3rd time the good hitters tee off on him…. that is the makeup of a reliever. Yes they are different disciplines, he is a professional and a good one at that, he would adjust and be just fine there if that is where he may end up this year. By saying that he would be not a reliever is contradicting what you say about how valuable as a player he is.

    As far as Zito, you could get him if the Giants are looking to dump him and eat some of his salary… just a thought, most likely not happening, also tey will look at everyon at this point. Guarenteed!

    As for now Jamie is were he is and he will be inconsistent. Great game today!

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    Point proven. Doesnt matter what the man does, most people still thinks he sucks. Seriously? three hits and a run in six innings no walks, and it was because it was against an “impatient Nats” team. Other pitchers give up 6 runs against the Nats and same people say “The Nats CAN hit”. Pick a side people. Either the nats can hit or they cant. Fact of the matter, today was a GREAT start. The other funny thing is the same people who say its a weak arguement saying to look at the wins, and then in the same post say he sucks and as proof look at his losses. LOL. Way to prove how little you know about baseball. Wins and Losses dont always equate to show worth. Last year Hamels was a better pitcher, less wins, more losses, why? RUN SUPPORT! Moyer had 2 atrocious starts against VERY GOOD (I hate admitting this) hitting teams in the Dodgers and Mutts, other then that, he has been OK, all the way to great like tonight. Jeff of NoVa had it correct, inconsistent, but dont forget some of the other pitchers who gave up 8 against the horrible Rockies team, and 6 against a Nats team. True wins dont mean everything, but dont even try to say in the same post that losses show how bad a pitcher is if you actually want to be taken seriously. By in large, a “quality start” is a starting pitcher giving up 3 or less earned runs. Moyer has NOT had the run support excluding the 5 runs. Out of the 5 losses, which the run support was 3, 1, 2, 5, 0, all of which are NOT giving you a chance to win offensively excluding 5 runs. Looking at those, had Moyer only given up 2 runs in 6 innings (1 less then what most people think is a quality start), he would still (only looking at those numbers) be 2-2-1, OBVIOUSLY Baseball does not have ties, so I will give the offense the benefit of the doubt to say they would score that extra run not taking into account any runs which may have been given up by the bullpen, he would still be 3-2. So would he still be horrible if he had an ERA in the area of 3 if he was 3-2 in those starts? No run support = no chance for the pitchers to get a win. PERIOD. Same reason Cole Hamels didnt have 16-20 wins last year.

     
  • Posts: 0 phxphilly

    Glad to see Jamie pitch a great game for #250. Fitting for a veteran pitcher to cut the tongues out of the critics for this game.

    In my opinion, at his age Jamie cannot be a reliever. How many days in a row can he pitch? Yeah he throws slow and is in great shape but I doubt he can recover that quickly. I think he’s now a ritualistic pitcher and needs to be on a starter pitchers routine.
    Only option to remove him from rotation is to DL or have him retire.

    The rotation will be Moyer and his youngsters… Hamels, Happ, Bastardo. The coach just put on a clinic after the star pupil had some issues!

    Not happy about Bastardo start. Even if he’s good, do we trust him for the post-season run? If he’s bad we lose all his value as a top trade chip.

     
  • Posts: 0 christopher

    re: bastardo in the playoffs, why would the phils be starting their 5th starter in the first place?

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    You can’t even begin to entertain what Bastardo’s role will be, if he sticks with the big club then it’ll be rocketing up the depth chart otherwise he’ll go back down to continue his minor league seasoning.

    If Bastardo holds a roster spot until the play-offs then he’ll be a very important piece of the team.

    Great news about Drabek, see similarities in his development to Cole who also had that massive set-back early in his minor league career.

     
  • Posts: 0 M.P. AKA Phillies Phan SC #54

    Just for the record, I put a #54 after Lidge’s last BLOWN SAVE, so I am not one of those that wanted his head. In factm I defended him AND Moyer. I am leaving the #54 on my name for the season now as a reminder that people have problems once in a while.

    Dave THANK YOU for being stand up. I have nothing but respect for you, my friend. You can bad mouth him anytime now LOL

    I may be eating crow, because I said I wanted Kendrick to get a chance. So I may be the next one.

     
  • Posts: 0 M.P. AKA Phillies Phan SC #54

    I have an off the wall question – anyone know Bastardo’s number? Just curious, no rhyme or reason as to why I ask!

     
  • Posts: 0 CroftodoNar

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