The previous comment was directed at Geoff but if that is the way you feel be my guest. I really don’t care what you think about me personally

Old man Moyers getting blasted this year for sure but was thinking yesterday about his hall of fame credentials, this guys a victim of his own success. Going for win 250 his numbers are pretty amazing and I can’t believe each start isn’t looked at with the same anticipation a Pedro start was or even when Pettite’s up.

Give Jamie his props, this guys not done.

We need Marson and Donald starting with Happ and Carrasco in the rotation.

I am really glad Amaro is the GM and not you. I know we all are entitled to our opinons but I really think you should keep yours to yourself,

amaro shouldnt have brought jamie back, period.

Moyer isn’t the only problem and he isn’t going anywhere any time soon. Myers didn’t go down to the minors until the All Star break, the same will go for Moyer if he is still ineffective at that point he will be in the minors.

Stop being a frontrunner, when Moyer does great everyone is his biggest fan and when he struggles everyone wants him to retire. I can’t wait until he breaks out of his slump and makes you all eat your words.

That’s the beauty of Moyer he knows what he is going to do and the opponent knows what he is going to do and it still works. Granted he has been in a slump the last few starts but he will work out of it. As someone said earlier he had a slump like this in the middle of last year and he worked out of it and carried this team to the postseason with a strong September.

But somewhere between September and April everyone found out his secret I guess.

Moyer will break outta this slump and provide the same thing he did last year 6 innings 3-4 ERs and its the pens job to get them to the 9th and the offenses job to get more than 3-4 ERs.

You dont give someone a 2 year contract to “reward them” if you don tthink theyre going to be effective for that contract duration – yes, which is why Burrell isnt here..

I can’t blame him for grabbing the extra $16 million, but who exactly were the Phillies bidding against for Moyer’s services?

You say…”..hitters are wiser to the game – they know if they’re patient with Moyer, let him work and lose his control, they’ll have a field day. And more teams are hipper to this knowledge..” Moyer been around for 23 years (and 249 wins), and now you think they are “hipper” about him? (chuckles) Like any MLB pitcher, there are certain teams over the years that will be troublesome for him. The Dodgers are such a team loaded with talent for contact type hitting (the “Dodger Way” as they say). They don’t easily get themselves out. I’ve already posted in another thread that Manual confirmed in a postgame conference that Moyer will continue to have his starts and allow him to work out his problems. And as Moyer stated after the game, he made mistakes and mistakes are correctible. It has nothing to do with his age. Consistent command and location are the key issues that needs to be resolved in his case; getting ahead in counts, allowing him to expand the strike zone and never showing the same pattern of pitches during the game.

By the way, Happ is a temporary fill in as starter for the doubleheader. He will go back to bullpen regardless of performance (unless he pitches a no-hitter..chuckles). Of course, Happ’s status can change if problems persist with the starters this month.

I couldn’t have said it better myself…

His family lives in Florida. He has the charity. His kids are moving to their formative years. He’ll never make the Hall, but he would’ve been remembered on the best terms possible. If he really wanted to, he could’ve stayed on as a coach (probably starting as a pitching coach in Clearwater).

Instead he’s tarnishing his legacy. I love the guy, and I think he’s a great man and overall, one of the great pitchers of our time. But it makes no sense to me why he wanted to continue.

So don’t be profligate in throwing away a credible story in Moyer- particularly a story you are on the hook for eight digits.

I would hold open that option on Happ as long as I could. I can almost guarantee the Phillies will face a bigger rotation crisis between now and Labor Day than a pair of very shaky starts from a guy coming off sixteen wins.

Fact: Moyer has kept them in enough games for the club to be over .500 in his starts. So let’s let him stay there until he is a real problem- rather than an inconvenient one.

I’m a homer… I’ll admit that… I’m from Souderton so I’m not a great judge of this but it’s May and he’s 3-3 and everyone is ready to run the guy out of town. Let’s try to be rational… he’s not going anywhere and he can turn it around.

He has a very thin margin of error and once these numbers dip a bit, he gets shelled.