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If healthy maybe the Phils will join the Ben Sheets sweepstakes?

Sheets is kind of a gamble right now. No telling how well he’ll do after rehabbing. But he would be an interesting option. How much was he looking for from Texas?

If you replace Park and Moyer with Happ and Kendrick you will be subtracting two back end of the rotation guys with the addition of two back end of the rotation guys. I think Park needs to go right now, with Moyer hot on his tail.

Sheets will be signing with Texas. Hes from there, goes to all their games, and has been hanging out extensively with their pitching coach…forget about signing him.

Kendrick in 41 innings at AAA, has a 4.17 ERA.. has given up 43 HITS, 18 Walks, 28 Ks … his WHIP is a 1.49 so one and a half baserunners per inning, against AAA ballplayers..

I dont think that translates well to the Majors..

You can’t get much worse than what we’ve got right now.. but Blanton should be alright.. (it would be nice to add a #2 or #3 to the rotation, but Carrasco isn’t it right now)

Park should go to the pen.. .Happ should take his place

And we should all say prayers that Moyer can get out of this funk

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But this year they have that ammo to bring in that type of starter if they really need to.

Kendrick is a horrible option right now. I liked the way Carpenter handled himself in his last big league outing, and first big league W.

Our once minor league studs (pitching wise) are duds for the time being.

There’s no way they get rid of Blanton or Moyer, not yet anyway. Moyer is locked up for another year, so they go the distance with him this year. If he still sucks going into next season, he could be gone and the Phils would eat his contract, a la Eaton.

Blanton, they cant give up on. They gave up 3 decent prospects in the trade with Oakland, so they either have to try and trade him and get something in return, or just deal with him until he shows up.

Park can go as far as I’m concerned. I thought he was better anyway out of the pen. Happ makes sense, but i’d like to see what Carpenter can do. They gave Kendrick the chance, so it couldnt hurt.

IN: Haap, its his turn now to show us what he deserves.

OUT: Park – release him, cut our ties or trade him. Yes he has had 2 QS, and averages just over 5Ks a game, but still, he can’t keep a lead (esp to the nationals) and at 2.5 million, that’s nothing to worry about for the Phillies.

KEEP: Blanton – he’s a slow starter but should be alright.

SPOT STARTS or KEEP: Moyer – sentimental favorite, but he has the experience to help out. Just see last season and his guidance with Hamels and the rest of the young staff.

Nobody on the Pirates or Nats will help.. Padres need pitching more than anything..

I heard Buerhle from the White Sox..

Maybe Bedard from the Mariners? … is he in a walk year soon? (I think he once had a 5-year deal with Baltimore.. did he sign anything new with Seattle?)

Diamondbacks are in trouble.. I dont know that they want more prospects on an already young team though..

Rockies have no pitching to offer, neither do the Orioles..

THIS is exactly why teams DON’T trade their young arms, because its next to impossible to acquire it in a trade.. and you pay way too much money to Free Agent pitchers.. guys get paid just as much for being “Innings Eaters” as they do for winning ballgames, and low ERA’s now..

I’m a big believer in keeping our young guys in the system if at all possible.. maybe they won’t all be ready this year.. but maybe they are ALL ready next year..

you can’t trade these guys for anything less than a stud in return.. and it would take probably 3-4 of our best prospects to get the kind of arm that would make a difference..

There is no way they would release Park.. he would go to the bullpen to be a “long-reliever”

They signed him thinking he would pitch out of the bullpen.. but the way the got him to sign here instead of somewhere else was by telling him he could try to win the 5th starter job in spring training..

And since he pitched better than Happ, Kendrick, and Carrasco.. he won the job and they had to give it to him (If they didn’t.. future free agents wouldn’t be able to believe the Phillies Front Office..)

Another issue with Oswalt is that the Astros’ delusional owner, Drayton McLane, always thinks his team is in contention and refuses to rebuild. When the Astros traded Lidge, they went out and traded prospects for Jose Valverde, so trading Lidge wasn’t a case of waving the white flag. The bottom line is, I doubt Oswalt will be available.

Mariners are now two under .500 at 18-20 (they’re 3-7 in their last 10 games)

I think they will SELL at the deadline…

Bedard was a guy the Phillies had lots of talks about before, so I’d expect his name comes up again..

Yankees and RedSox don’t need a ton of pitching help (Yankees just need better performance from who they have)

Mets might be in the mix for pitching.. Dodgers shouldn’t be.. Cubs, Cards ? Cardinals MIGHT be looking for more pitching..

anyway.. we can probably get an arm since the contending teams won’t be willing to give up much for what they can get in return

Oswalt isn’t the guy. why he won’t cost a lot in prospect, and he is better than moyer blanton and park. we are looking for a guy who keeps you in the game not cy young. If oswalt gives us 6 or 7 quality innings in most starts why not. People talk like he is terrible, remember he plays for the astros, not the world champs, the only thing so far that is a poitive is we arent’ getting any pitching and still. Half game back of the hottest team in basebasll. that bolds well for us. but must make a move.

I broke it first Timmy boy. Jamie Moyer is yanked out of the rotation. Car. coming up….boyyyyyyyyyy

Webb would have to prove health, and has cheap options years left but probably wants a new deal. Bedard is in the walk year. I agree that this is why you dont trade your young arms. I think that if youre giving up a few good prospects you have to get a guy whos under contract beyond this year AND who is a number 2 or a very good 3. Theres no way that its worth trading away probably 2 pf these good young arms (thats starters or relievers) unless youre getting studly talent in return taht isnt going to just waltz on out the door in december (and you better at least offer them arbitration if they do – to get the two draft picks).

Otherwise – I agree. Theres no reason to trade for another 4 or 5 type guy – that really wont do anything at all. I mean, Drew Carpenter can step in right now and be a 5 but he probably wont do much better than park or moyer and Happ is first in line anyway. I though Carpenter looked ok but needed to go back down and brush up on a few things. Still, he projects as a 5th starter who might get called back up if this problem doesnt go away once Happ steps in.

i disagree with the opinion. only one needs to go. Moyer and Blanton have a proven track record. give them a chance to right themselves. they can still be above average major league pitchers.

Chan Ho on the other hand has a ten year track record of awful pitching to go along with a bad mentality he brings to the clubhouse and the field. I wouldn’t even put him in the pen at this point, I’d rather designate him for assignment.

Happ must take over for Park. Moyer on the other hand has earned a chance to figure it out, at least for a little longer. If he doesn’t, then there needs to be a Major League 2 situation, where we bring in a new guy, and Charlie tells Jamie “Sorry, we aren’t carrying six starters. We’d like you to stay on as a coach.”

All this speculation is great except for one thing…Its Charlie who has to pull the trigger on replacing these guys.And Charlie is slow to give up on anyone.
How long will it be until he actually replaces a guy in the rotation?
I think he will give Moyer and Blanton a lot more time.Park will be replaced by Happ.
He’ll probably skip them in the rotation for a temporary guy rather than can them altogether.Thats just Charlie’s way.

Charlie doesn’t control if they call up an extra pitcher, or tell him to put Happ in the rotation..

The General Manager tells him who goes where.. Charlie gets to use the day to day stuff.. but if they say they want Happ in the rotation.. or if they call up Carrasco .. Charlie isn’t going to go against them, he’d get fired

we NEED a solid outing from Moyer… sucks that Cinncy is a hitters park too though, but you need to go out and Win #250 tomrw

Wednesday* my bad… it sucks when they’re off

Oswalt is on downside of his career, may not have a ton left in the tank beyond maybe next year.

I am not so sold that Moyer will “get better.” “Get better” likely wont mean anything close to last years numbers, but I guess it couldnt get much worse.

I can’t imagine that the Astros would think that, unless they are blind. If they want young arms we have some in Stutes, Worley, bastardo, swimmer, a reliver, Savery [who I hate], De Fraus who shows a lot of promise so we have arms, no Drabek in any trade, but if we offer a pitcher or two plus donald or marson why not, The problem is most teams will wait for the deadline to try to get as much as possible.

I don’t want Oswalt, sorry no interest in a hired gun for 3 months. I like our minor prospects better. Mike not sure why you don’t like Savery. He is pitching well at AAA, he is just overlooked by Worley and Stutes dominanting performances. Savery will be a 4 or 5 starter maybe a long reliever. He is getting better.