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Rumors: Jason Marquis, Erik Bedard

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, May 26, 2009 01:49 PM | Comments: 69
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Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports reports the Phillies are deep searching for a starting pitcher. He first alluded to this Saturday during the Phillies-Yankees game, and he’s now fleshing out the report with two specific names: Jason Marquis and Erik Bedard.

Marquis, 30, is 6-3 with a 4.45 ERA this season for Colorado. Spending his entire career in the National League, Marquis has resided in the 4.50 ERA range – definitively league average.

Bedard, 30, is 2-2 with a 2.64 ERA this season for Seattle. He has been much more effective throughout his career, capable of dominance. He would likely require a little more than Marquis, but as his contract expires at the end of the season, wouldn’t command too much.

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  • Posts: 0 BDphils

    I believe Marquis got one of those wins against us, didn’t he?

    Either way, both would be an upgrade if Blanton/Moyer don’t come around (although both are showing that they are).

    I heard heard Bedard isn’t really a team guy though, which definitely doesn’t fit in the current clubhouse.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I’ll believe Bedard when I see it as we’ve been down this road before, everyone wanting a starting pitchers in the running for him which is just typical of Ken Rosenthal reporting. Washburn would be an interesting idea, believe he’s coming to the end of his deal and the Mariners were said to want rid of whats lef on his deal in a hurry.

     
  • Posts: 0 Albert

    If Joe Blanton returns to his career norms, he is a better pitcher than Jason Marquis.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Bedard seemed interested in coming to the Phillies last season, when his name popped up pretty frequently in trade talks with the Phillies near the deadline. Knowing Charlie, I’d expect him to stick with Blanton and Moyer for a while longer. And I think Bedard would be on pretty good behavior, especially since he’s basically have a 2 month audition for a new contract.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed

    I have heard repeatedly that Bedard is not a great club house guy. Very much a loner. I have friends that are Orioles and Mariners fans, both very tuned into their teams and both have said the same things. Team mates don’t dislike him but they could really careless that he is there. Don’t forget like a year ago he basically shut himself down…very Manny esque…

    I ask you, a team that seems as close as the Phillies do, do you want that type of personality here? Some will say that guys like Utley and J-Roll will keep that person under control, and maybe thats the case, but is it worth it?

     
  • Posts: 0 Marc H

    Bedard and Washburn are interesting names, but I wouldn’t want to see the Phillies mortagage the future (e.g. Stutes , Taylor or Knapp ) for a one year rental.

    Marquis is a creeer journeryman who isn’t better than anything that we already have

     
  • Posts: 0 joe

    Bedard for a reasonable price yes. Marquis no. Any idea what bedard would cost to sign for a 2 or 3 year deal?

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    The question for me is: who gets replaced if they do land someone? Blanton and Moyer both have been equally bad this year. Moyer’s probably a bit more popular with the fans, but Blanton (at this point) has more upside. I’m thinking that Moyer gets the boot. Anybody else have an opinion?

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed

    Well Bedard is making 7.75 mil, I would think a 2 or 3 year deal would start there and escalate a small amount each year. Thinking the shorter the contract the more money per year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    I think by the time any deal would take place, the Phillies would have a clear idea as to who would get the boot. Both Moyer and Blanton still have a good month and a half to prove their worth though. I don’t like the idea of Marquis.
    And Joe, I think Bedard would cost too much for the Phillies. His stuff is fantastic, but his clubhouse presence, as noted already in this thread, is worrisome, as is his history of injuries. I don’t think he’s be worth a long time investment. Not to mention he’s already 30 years old.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scott B

    @Albert

    I agree with what you said about Blaton > Marquis. I see Blanton turning things around (knocking on wood) while Moyer continues to give up a lot of hits. Less runs but the hits are still way up there. I’m worried about that.

    Lets not give up young guys for 6 month pitching rentals.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    I think by the time any deal would take place, the Phillies would have a clear idea as to who would get the boot. Both Moyer and Blanton still have a good month and a half to prove their worth though. I don’t like the idea of Marquis.
    And Joe, I think Bedard would cost too much for the Phillies. His stuff is fantastic, but his clubhouse presence, as noted already in this thread, is worrisome, as is his history of injuries. I don’t think he’s be worth a long term investment. Not to mention he’s already 30 years old.

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Geoff

    What do you do with Moyer if he is given the boot? Bullpen?

    Also, I like Marquis, good team guy and a great athlete. He can pinch hit and run, which would give us one decent runner on the bench.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Well, if you make the deal AHEAD of the deadline, like now. Then you can negotiate an extension with him liek the mets did with santana. You basically make the deal PENDING a contract extension, and the custom is that in order to do that you pay an extra prospect. Thats perfectly fine. Id do that for Bedard.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scott B

    *Blanton

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed

    Dave to be honest with you I can’t see the Phillies disrespecting Moyer by just getting rid of him. Now i personally don’t think its disrespectful to cut a guy who at 46 just doesn’t have it anymore but considering how beloved he is, i think thats probably how most people will view it.

    I think if the Phillies do get a solid starter then I think Blanton may get traded and the Phillies will let Moyer finish out the year and maybe tackle moving him or getting him to retire in the off season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Marquis no.

    Bedard yes, as long as we don’t give up too many good prospects for him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scott B

    Ed. I’ve got to respectively disagree. If the Phillies want to be that winning organization, Moyer and the team has to know that its not personal, just business.

    If you aren’t getting it done no matter where you work, don’t you have to let a guy go?

    Would love for him to be a pitching coach down the line. Look what hes done with Hamels. Wild hot shot to WS MVP. nice

     
  • Posts: 0 Dbens

    Who do you replace in the rotation with a trade?

    Moyer, or Blanton? It would be a very messy situation indeed.

    Do they go to the BP if they are taken out of the rotation? If Moyer or Blanton are out of the rotation, there is no place for them in the Bullpen. The only expendable piece right now is Jack Taschner, and he will be gone when JC comes back.

    The only way I see the Phils making a move is injury. If someone gets put on the DL, watch out for a big trade. If not, might as well just sit tight and wait it out. I would be shocked if they made a move when the BP and rotation are packed with guys that are under contract and would have to be released.

    Only possibility is if someone in the rotation plus prospects is traded for a starter. That way the roster aligns itself naturally. I could see a blockbuster trade of HAPP + prospects for a front line starter. Cheap, quality, pitchers like Happ are a huge asset for teams trying to keep payroll down. Who knows though, Happ could turn into a front line starter, so would that even be worth it?

     
  • Posts: 0 Albert

    The problem is that the Phillies would replace Happ if they traded for a pitcher. Unless Moyer and Blanton have similar numbers in mid June they aren’t being bumped. Poor Happ.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I think Moyer should be Designated For Assignment once we acquire another starting pitcher. Youd have to eat his salary because NOBODY in MLB will let you off the hook for that contract we just signed him to.

     
  • Posts: 0 Uggla's ugglyies

    lets go Marlins

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    They would not replace Happ if they got somone..thats beyond retarded. They would release Moyer or try to move Blanton for almost nothing (because he has some value, but not much). You guys have to realize that it HAS gotten that bad with these two guys. I mean theyre giving you next to nothing at this point REPEATEDLY.

     
  • Posts: 0 Uggla's ugglyies

    Here is the pitch home run home run Dan Uggla his name is Dan Uggla YES!!! and the marlins win it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Uggla's ugglyies

    We will beat you tonight 10 to nothing.

     
  • Posts: 0 Woodman

    Uggie: You must be confused. Uggla took the collar yesterday. 0 for 4 with a K. Home Run??? I think not!

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I think we should still give Moyer and Blanton several more shots before making any moves. If Moyer can keep giving us 3-4 runs in 6 innings, I’ll take that… And Blanton has shown some progress in the way he’s pitching despite his high ERA.

     
  • Posts: 0 Marc H

    I love Moyer, but it is getting increasingly hard to defend him

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Moyer has only done that a few times all year. Blanton the same. Theyre not giving you anything more than someone like Drew Carpenter or Kyle Kendrick would give you (and im NOT saying we should bring them up, im just saying we need more than what any of those guys can or are giving us)

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    maybe Blanton will pitch well tonight.

     
  • Posts: 0 Groty

    Nothing on Brad Penny?

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Hey Geoff,

    I agree man lets just take Moyer out back and send him packing he is worthless at this point I mean 6 innings 3-4 runs thats horrid. I mean its not like that is exactly what he has been doing for the past three years. In fact that is exactly what he did last year when we won the world series.

    But hey get rid of Moyer and Blanton cause who cares if you can get 6 innings and 3-4 runs when you can just use Eaton or Park or Benson in the rotation I am sure that they can do just as well.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 hamels' left hand

    the big dipper’s reading comprehension seems arbitrary at best…

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Hey Geoff check your facts before you spew nonsense all over the board.

    Moyer: 9 total starts; 6 of his starts he has given up 4 Runs or less, once he gave up 5, twice he gave up 7

    Blanton: 8 starts; 4 of his starts he has given up 4 runs or less, once he gave up 5, twice he gave up 6 and once he gave up 7

    Last I checked this team should win if a pitcher has only given up 5 runs.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Geoff… Moyer’s last two starts: 12 ip, 7 ER, 3 BB… not too shabby for a 4th/5th starter. Better than anything the Mets/Braves are trotting out there as a #4/5.

    Marquis is wildly inconsistent… he’ll throw two gems in a row and then stink up the joint. We need consistency… I don’t care about ERA! Would you rather have a guy that goes 9 ip, 1 ER and then 3 ip, 6 ER or would you rather have a guy that goes 6 ip 3-4 runs in those same two starts? I would take the consistency because that gives you a chance to win 2 games instead of one. I would love to get Bedard but not for long-term and not if it means that we have to send a host of prospects to the west coast…

    I’m not sure why we have to do anything; last time I checked, we were in first place.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave S

    Chuck brings up a good point…the offense allows us the luxury of desiring the consistently average [or a little below average] over the roller coaster SP. I’d rather be in every game.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    2/5 of your rotation is defunct and useless thats why. You STILL DONT GET IT. Jamie Moyer is DONE. He will not be in this rotation come August 1. That is a stone cold guarantee. He will be out of baseball by this time next year. He is the Matt morris of this season, the guy who hung on one year too long. Its admirable, I mean he hung on longer than Morris did. But it was a massive mistake to take a HUGE risk and go with Moyer rather than someone more reliable.

    You dont just give him some contract like they did to reward him for being a good soldier. thats wreckless and the one true blunder amaro has made so far. Apparently Greg Dobbs was too, but in all fairness nobody saw Dobbs totally becoming useless.

     
  • Posts: 0 Justin

    Inquire about one of Bostons young studs, stay away from Bedard at all costs, inquire on Oswalt and Marquis, at the end of the day the team has to see if the cost of the trade will make the team better, Marquis’ ERA has been very consistent throughout his career in the 4.5 range, Oswalt could have an ERA that will balloon in CBP. Bucholz or Bard could really help this team for years to come and be under team control at a reasonable price if the deal works for both teams and that’s a big IF. Blanton has been coming around so I’m not worried about him, I’m going to hold judgement on Happ until he gets a few starts under his belt probably same with the Phillies, but if I’m the Phillies I’m worried about Moyer who hasn’t won a game in over a month but his ERA is dropping which is good. I’d honestly like to see him go to the bullpen because he’d be successful in short stints of 2 innings or so in pinches for innings that need to be pitched after short outings by the starter.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    But thats not enough against good pitching. Even this lineup can always light up good starting pitching. Thats why you ALSO need GOOD starting pitching, not MEDIOCRE OR BELOW AVERAGE liek Moyer and Blanton have been doing.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    Geoff when someone comes on and tries to defend Blanton that is time for us to move on. He fails to tell you that he has 3 quality starts out of eight games, yes he gave up 4 runs but in less than 6 innings so that is like almost5 runs per game. 57 hit in 44 inning, era 8.71 and someone whats to defend that. By saying he only have up 4 runs .yes in less than 6 innings That stinks, the only reason I answer that stupid stats is I know they get on you but don’t listen to them . they need a starter bad and not another blanton. How can anyone try defend Blanton how,. between last year and this has 9 quality starts in 26 games,terrible, terrible pitcher. but chuck says he is consistent, yes consitenly bad.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Geoff, how has Moyer been mediocre or below average?

    In 9 starts Moyer has given up 4 runs or less in 6 of them.

    The Phillies average around 5.9 runs per game.

    That should be a win each time. It is not Moyer’s fault the offense doesnt show up when he is pitching. Look at his game log the offense has only given him more than 4 runs of support 3 times. Stop making Moyer the scapegoat. First you were all over Ruiz then he got on a hot streak.

    I guess if 6 inning and 3-4 runs means you should retire half of the leagues starting pitchers should probably just retire. You are an imbecile.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    I totally agree…

     
  • Posts: 0 Albert

    The Phillies will not be releasing Jamie Moyer. They are paying Thome, Eaton, and Jenkins right now and that is too much money to eat for players not even on the roster. I expect the Phillies FO (including myself) believe Blanton will return to his career normals and Moyer will settle in a bit. If the Phillies acquired a starter today they would bump Happ out of the rotation, thats the way it is.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Look at what we gave up to get Blanton? You see what you got with Blanton

    Now look at what you have to give up to get a #2? Your going to have to part with a starter and prospects. And not A or AA prospects but your best and most MLB ready prospects. Stop pretending to know what your talking about.

    The Big Dipper

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    That comment makes no sense, Geoff… seriously. Re-read that comment and tell me what you’re really trying to say because I don’t even know where to start. That’s not enough against good pitching… even this lineup can light up good starting pitching… that’s why you also need good pitching…

    And let me point out that there are NO TEAMS in baseball with 5 #1/2 pitchers…

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike

    I blame this on THE PHILLIES. They are the sucker here buying into Moyer doing it for one more year. He should of went out with the ring. Ruben is an IDIOT with a capital I. Now swallow your mistake and get rid of him. Anytime he pitches, its a lose. He cant get guys out.

     
  • Posts: 0 mikemike

    For blanton you gave a major league starter in outman, who is lefthanded and has some velocity. The top 2nd base prospect in the minors in Cardenas, who right now is at midland and hitting 383. and matt spencer who is also at midland and hitting 244 he wasjust promoted to midland . After having hit 10 homers in a short span, He does have power but jury is still out on if he will hit enough to make the athletics. So right now bille beane knew what he was doing, he got more for blanton, then the cubs gave for harden

     
  • Posts: 0 Justin

    mikemike Cardenas was in AAA this year and was awful hitting .177 there. He got sent down to AA, if he was with the Phils still, people would be writing him off right now because he’s not where he should be in his development. It doesn’t matter anyway because he’d have to learn a different position he’d be in the same spot donald’s in, great player without a position, except Donald has a stronger arm than cardenas and can play 3rd, Cardenas is a 2nd/SS and would have probably had to try OF even though we have an outstanding farm system with OFs. So trading Cardenas was just trading depth for a need. You said it yourself with Spencer no one really knows what will come of him because you can’t judge how his power will show up in the MLB level.

    Outman got caught up in the same numbers game, too many lefties in our system he didn’t want to be a reliever so he’s now a starter and I think the Phils are happy for him because he’s getting a chance. None of those guys were better then what we currently have, I’d rather have donald than cardenas, taylor/mayberry/berry/brown than spencer, and bastardo/savery/flande than outman. Bastardo’s the wild card being able to be an efficient closer and starter in the same season this year. 1st game with LHV struck out 11 in 5 innings, incredible.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    You can’t defend the way that Blanton has been pitching… I will agree with that. He has been a bum all season. They’re attributing his bum-ness to a mechanical flaw… looking at baseball-reference, he’s definitely a better second half pitcher but he has been dreadful thus far. Moyer could be better but he has been trending upwards. It just seems like people jump from one person to the next. We are in first place…

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    let’s go Blanton!

     
 
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