Comments on: Rumors: Jason Marquis, Erik Bedard

By: Keith

Keith — Thu, 28 May 2009 02:44:56 +0000

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090527&content_id=5000988&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi

By: From Section 113

From Section 113 — Wed, 27 May 2009 15:25:06 +0000

No trade will be made soon. Too much is undecided. Like which teams are buyers/sellers. Why trade for a pitcher now when a better one might be available later?

ALso do we trade Happ in a deal or keep him. Plus alot of Lefties have been runored about. We have 3 lefties now, do we need a 4th? I understand Moyer would be out but still another lefty??

What do people think of Zach Duke and Mark Buerhle?

By: dan lamb

dan lamb — Wed, 27 May 2009 12:20:02 +0000

I said any AAA pitcher can come up and throw 6 innings and give up three runs on any given night. I am not saying every night or a 4.5 era. But 6 inning and 3 runs is the best moyer can do now and his worst is a lot worse than that. Moyer is doing worse this year than eaton did here, but for some reason everyone thinks he should remain in the rotation with 7+ era.

By: The Big Dipper

The Big Dipper — Wed, 27 May 2009 02:03:50 +0000

Dan you are an idiot. If every pitcher on a AAA roster could pitch 6 inning giving up 3 runs than they would have a Quality Start every night and would have a 4.5 ERA.

Fact is that is very hard to do and that is why most pitchers can’t pitch for 23 year and can’t go 6 innings and give up only 3 runs.

The Big Dipper

By: dan lamb

dan lamb — Wed, 27 May 2009 01:24:42 +0000

Tonight shows the difference between moyer and blanton. Blanton can still straigtout win a game for us while moyer is not capable of that. When the best you can hope for from a pitcher is 6 innings and 3 runs then you are in trouble. Any pitcher on a triple a roster can come up and throw 6 innings with 3 runs on a given night and have a 7.5 era.

By: Gavin

Gavin — Wed, 27 May 2009 00:48:12 +0000

Marquis, Bedard, Washburn???!?!?!? Thats the best we have to choose from? I like what we have better than that trio. For what we’d have to give up for those wet noodles I say hell no.

By: Justin

Justin — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:06:31 +0000

If we didn’t have Blanton last year we would have been screwed in the playoffs. The only pitcher who consistently lost was Moyer, if our rotation was Hamels/Myers/Moyer/Kendrick we probably aren’t defending world champs. Plus we gave up prospects for a good pitcher, a pitcher who was considered an ace at the beginning of last year and we didn’t break the bank to get him but we had to trade something of value otherwise we don’t get the player. Yes Cardenas is good but you can’t say it was a bad trade since we didn’t give up any of our top prospects outside of Cardenas.

By: ChitownStu

ChitownStu — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:52:32 +0000

“…Now i personally don’t think its disrespectful to cut a guy who at 46 just doesn’t have it anymore but considering how beloved he is…”

Ah the “wisdom” of youth. So now you’re 100% certain that Moyer doesn’t have it anymore? Give me a break…

Go out and win 249 games and do anything for the number of years Moyer has been doing it – and with the same level of class, respect for the game (profession) and humility and THEN you can diss Moyer.

By: cxl72

cxl72 — Tue, 26 May 2009 22:10:58 +0000

Before we throw Blanton under the bus let’s see what he does. He said he had problems pitching out of the stretch and fixed it. IMO he can be a reliable 4 or 5.

By: mikemike

mikemike — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:43:44 +0000

The point is you get more for cardenas then making him a piece to get a blanton. There isn’t one scout who I have read who doesn’t think this kid will play in the pros. He will be at second or shortstop. If he was blocked do you give him away for that junk ball pitcher? Lefthanded starter are hard to find. Outman always had velocity but gave up a lot o f homeruns, Seriously if we gave up outman and spencer I wouldn’t be as mad but cardenas could have been used to get better. And if I follow what you are saying if we had three really good shortstops, would we give one away for junk, because we feel bad for him, he is block, that isn’t the way to run a team. in my opinion.

By: TuffyMurdock

TuffyMurdock — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:39:04 +0000

Ben Sheets is also worth sniffing around at this time, since we are talking about Bedard, who is injury prone. Maybe Pedro Martinez has a couple of productive years left. WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS PITCHING QUAGMIRE !!!!

By: Marc H

Marc H — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:37:20 +0000

Moyer has been disappointing this year, but let’s not turn him into the second coming of Paul Abbott or Adam Eaton

By: Keith

Keith — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:15:35 +0000

watch Peavy not get traded at all

By: Justin

Justin — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:24 +0000

Even if there was a Peavy trade on the block he would veto it on the reason that he doesn’t want to go to a stadium that’s a “bandbox”, also this is too big a market for him, he’d rather stay on a low key team in the west or midwest. This is probably his last resort if all other avenues aren’t available before going to an AL team.

By: AM

AM — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:07:27 +0000

is the Peavy rumor still going around? or has that been nixed?

By: Justin

Justin — Tue, 26 May 2009 21:05:13 +0000

doesn’t change the point that cardenas didn’t have a spot on this team, he would have to learn an outfield position that’s not available. I’m not sitting here bashing Cardenas, or Outman, they just didn’t have roles on this team, it Outman was being groomed as a loogy or setup guy and he just didn’t work out there, but when they shifted him back to the rotation his ERA dropped. Cardenas is a very good hitting 2nd baseman but what was his ultimate position? at the beginning of last year according to baseball america he was going to be an OF but now where would he play since we have Mayberry and Taylor coming up and will both be in the outfield in 2 years, same time frame Cardenas would hit the show and Rollins/Utley/Howard would still be here so Cardenas wouldn’t have a position. Outman was more expendable because the Phils invested more money in Savery as a #1 draft pick which is why the phils weren’t looking to deal him yet. Bastardo the Phils are very high on, they thought of bringing him up last year to take Eaton’s place in the rotation before they traded Outman which just shows who they’d rather give the ball to. Flande is a guy who basically came out of nowhere but he’s a little on the older side to still be in high A.

By: mikemike

mikemike — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:52:57 +0000

Justin he is the top second base prospect in minors, he was sent to triple a before he was ready at 20 years old. how many bats did he get.You are the only one who I have heard who said they would rather have Savery Flande or bastardo do you know that flande was only about 88 on the gun same with savery, bastardo is small and was at 92 until 4 inning and usuallylose sit he is a projected relief pitcher along with flande,too many lefthander in the system, where Knapp ,drabek, worley, pettibone, stutes, cosart, all top pitching prospect are right handed and carrasco not one lefthander in there system is consider more than a lefthand relief pitcher or loogy or 5 starter, Cardenas doesn’t show power but is way more advanced than Donald, I was a big donald fan but he isn’t the player cardenas will be. almost a 400 at 20 at double a . he will be back at triple a when he gets more experience. If you doubt what I Tell you check at phuture phillies and ask about all the lefthander we have, that is a phillies prospect site.

By: ducth

ducth — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:50:49 +0000

I agree, Amaro is an idiot. What a waste of money on Moyer for two years. I pray that if the phillies make the playoffs that moyer is not on the roster. Whether it is in relief or starting, i don’t think I will be able to watch it.

By: TOm G

TOm G — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:50:34 +0000

Bottom line is that the sooner you bring in a live arm…the sooner you get returns on the Starts.
It is foolish to wait…sure the price is higher, the sooner you bring someone in…however, the issue is if you wait deeper into the trade deadline you lose a start or two by each passing week.
Moyer is killing us…

make a move…Bedard is a bad clubhouse guy, but a solid pitcher, marquis is just a pitcher that will give you a chance every other outing…

By: Keith

Keith — Tue, 26 May 2009 20:49:38 +0000

let’s go Blanton!