Blue Jays Batter Phils Bullpen, 8-3

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Tue, June 16, 2009 10:59 PM | Comments: 28
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Milwaukee BrewersThe 2009 Phillies had a 3-2 lead going into the top of the ninth inning. Then, suddenly, like a cool summer breeze, the 2007 Phillies took the hill.

Ryan Madson allowed the game-tying run — a bases-loaded walk after an unfortunate duo of lucky hits and an intentional walk — then Clay Condrey and Tyler Walker allowed a whole bunch more en route to a 8-3 10-inning loss to the Blue Jays.

It served the Phillies right. While the Jays squandered multiple big opportunities against Cole Hamels and JC Romero, the Phils offense didn’t do much. Chase Utley knocked in a run in the first (one of three hits), and Jayson Werth homered in the sixth, but the remainder of the night saw the Phils fooled by young left-hander Ricky Romero. Both Ryan Howard and Raul Ibanez struck out times. So while the Jays finally struck, the Phils were empty as a rusted gas can.

Hamels didn’t have luck on his side but was able to pitch out of some jams. In the sixth he loaded the bases via grounders Jimmy Rollins couldn’t handle, then wiggled out unscathed thanks to a pop up from Rod Barajas (three infield fly rules in the game), a strike out and a fly out. He finished giving up two runs in six frames.

But Toronto finally stuck the dagger, and the Phils bullpen was ambushed, as if Jose Mesa and Antonio Alfonseca were out there all over again.

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  • Posts: 580 Brian Michael

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    I gave Madson the Jeltzie because the Phillies could have won the game if he didn’t walk in that run. However, Clay Condrey also stunk.

  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Condrey: 0.1 IP, 3 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 0 Ks
    Madson: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 Ks

    Madson wasn’t sharp but Condrey was absolutely horrible!

  • Posts: 0 Greg V.

    The thing that bothered me about this one was that both teams looked terrible tonight. Until the 10th of course when it was just the Phillies who looked terrible. this was one of the most disgraceful games I’ve seen the Phils play in a long time. They looked absolutely awful! They went into this game with a bunch of people saying they can lock up this division. I have news. We will not lock this division up as is. We need a starter, we need bullpen help, we need bench help. WE NEED HELP!

    Where the hell is Gary Majewski? Wasn’t he a lock for the final roster spot until we decided to trade for Jack Taschner and move Happ to the pen? Why did we not bring up Koplove and allow him walk away from the organization? Where’s Zagurski at? I’m totally lost on some things here! Amaro has lots of calls to make if you ask me!

  • Posts: 0 Greg V.

    Btw though, I think comparing the pen tonight to Mesa and Alfonseca is harsh. They have been run out there an excessive amount so far this year and have shown up for the most part. They definately need to jazz up the pen, but I can’t be too harsh on Mad Dog and Everyday Clay. They both have worked wonders this season. Though it’s hard not to blow of some steam at them I will say.

  • Posts: 0 4daysrest.com

    This was an annoying loss. This team was like 81-0 last year when leading after 8 innings. This year, I think they already have 6 or 7 losses.

    Embarrassing play at home.

  • Posts: 0 Mike C.

    These guys cant beat good teams. Just the Yankees. The starters are average at best. Make a darn trade already. Having Feliz hug the line in the 9th was stupid and cost us. Madson proved he cant close. He is very hittable. Lidge sucks. I cant watch howard strikeout anymore.

  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    Mike C. says~ “These guys can’t beat good teams, Just the YANKEES.”

    I got a laugh out of that line. The very irony of mentioning the Yankees.
    You reminded me of another poster who repeatedly said last year that the “Phillies are just not a good team”. (chuckles)

    I hope your rant satisfied your pent up frustration. Afterwards, relax and calm down. Remind yourself that the teams in the division are chasing the Phillies..not the other way around.

    Tomorrow is another game of a hundred that remains to be played. There are peaks and valleys that any good team will have in a long season. The nucleus; the core of the defending world champions is still intact.

    The team has their share of key injuries and are making the necessary adjustments as needed. Madson stepped in for Lidge; Happ for Myers;
    Romero for Eyre… well you should get the picture.

    Don’t let negativity dwell in your mind. Be positive in looking at the overall picture of the team’s strengths. The Mets with all their problems and injuries can’t match those particular strengths. Nor do the other teams in the division.

    Ideally, it would benefit the team if another quality arm can be added prior to the non-waiver trade deadline (July 31st). However, I’m certain the front office will be prudent in their approach and patiently take a close look at the performances of current rotation and bullpen in the coming weeks to better gauge their needs if any. The solution may come within the organization. That would prevent the cost of losing some of their prized prospects in going the other route with a trade.

  • Posts: 0 Dan

    Bruce, the Phils keep losing to teams they SHOULD beat and it will quickly be the other way around. The Jays have beat nobody in IL play, but they can beat us. Broke what, a 6 game losing streak? Guess we feel special. They were what, 0-27 in games where they trailed in the 8th inning? However, that didn’t stop them from beating us. Again, more games we piss away that we should have easily won. Come September these losses to teams we should have easily beaten are really going to start to add up.

  • Posts: 0 Trout Boy

    Hey Bruce, news flash…the Phillies are fairly mediocre. Seriously. Couldn’t agree more with Dan. Pissing away these games is going to cost us come September. I am sick and tired of the wild eyed optimist saying this team is going to win the division by 10-12 games. They are SERIOUSLY flawed. The Mets are hurt up and down their lineup. They’re going to get healthy at some point. When they do, if the Phils continue to play this way, it is going to be a close race. Take away the Phils record against the Nats and they are barely above .500. They are not playing well. And, BTW, I am getting really sick of Ryan Howard’s strikeouts. His average is plunging rapidly…gotta put the ball in play more often. Bullpen is completely overworked and now you’re starting to see scrubs like Condry get exposed. This is getting frustrating!

  • Posts: 0 Brandon V.

    We only remember the slumps and blown holds and the blown saves. They all take it in turns to heat up. That’s what churned us through the woes of last year. Keep the faith.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Lets not think the Mets are unlucky and anyway their probably a better for being down and having to show some heart, when you build around unhealthy players your injury totals going to skyrocket.

    As for the Phils everyone pisses away games, were suffering the karma of taking games we shouldnt have won earlier in the year but these losses are careless and the usually potent offense isn’t giving the bullpen much to work with much of the time now. It again makes me think this team isn’t cut out to be ahead and just do what it takes to put games in the book, seems if their aint drama then the team goes to sleep and suddenly it’s extra innings once again and it’s only ending one way.

    The Phils have got to stop showing all heart and start showing they know how to play a 162 game season and come out ready for the play-offs. A lot of people in the baseball world seem to thinking the AL’s better, I think the AL is better prepared with teams seasoned to leading, it’s time the Phils joined the pack. Easy to critisize I know and somewhat misguided at times when we are leading the division, but come win or loss there’s too much lollygagging right now.

  • Posts: 0 The Don

    I was at the game last night and it sucked…plain and simple. The Jays should have had 10 or 12 runs easily. Howard and Ibanez struck out 6 times between them. The bullpen looked awful. Hamels didn’t look good either. There were a lot of hard hit balls from a team that’s never seen him before…pitiful! Oh and why do we have Bruntlett? Are you telling me that there’s no other utility players that can bat higher than .167?

  • Posts: 0 Steve-o

    Man this is a frustrating team to follow. I must admit however, I love coming to this site on days after losses and seeing everyone write that the world is ending. Guess what folks, they’ll play again tonight. And then they’ll play tomorrow. And if they lose both those games, they’ll still, at worst, be 1 gm up in the standings.
    What IS an issue is their inability to win at home. And Moyer scares me tonight. I regret to say I have tickets to tonight’s game, as I could see a 12-4 blowout with him on the mound.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Well, I think Ruben was correct in his assessment the other day. He said the team needs a starter, a reliever and a rh utility bat. Thats been showing lately. They need reenforcements in all phases of the game. They dont all have to be earth shattering moves, just a guy to help off the bench. A guy to help in the bullpen. The starter they get needs to be very good though. Its rare to say that for a first place team, but they need help…And if Hamels isnt as dominant as he was last year they REALLY need help.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    Steve-O is right… coming on here, you would think that we’re 15 games out of first. News flash… we’re 3 games ahead in the division.

    Last night was DREADFUL but do you really think that the Blue Jays were NEVER going to win an interleague game? They’re a good team… they can score runs in bunches and they have some very good pitchers. Here’s another nugget for you… Ricky Romero is pretty good; 6 out his first 8 starts as a major leaguer have been quality starts.

    We strike out too much but that’s nothing new… our bullpen is banged up… Hamels is still probably holding back a bit… Moyer has posted quality starts in 4 out of his last 5 and yet we STILL look for reasons to bet against him…

    I don’t micro-analyze… we’re going to lose games and some won’t be pretty. Guys are going to slump… ebb and flow. Let’s talk culture and big picture stuff. The biggest concern for me is this team’s laissez-faire approach at home. Right now, it seems like they’re taking everything for granted at CBP. It seems like they feel that they’ve already proved to us that they can win a championship so they don’t come out with the same fire that we saw in 2008. Last year, at home they played like they didn’t want to let us down and this year they’re playing like they don’t have anything to prove. Well, guess what, that ain’t good enough. If we were taking care of business at home, we would be 7 games ahead right now… cause for concern? Yes… but it’s also a reason to be excited because I think that this is a problem that can be solved. We know that the fire is there, it just has to be lit.

  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    This is the same as last year. Get a wake up call in IL play and the GM steps in and adds a starter, a reliever, and a bat. Its going to play out the same way this time too. Hopefully they dont all go into a huge slump like last time, even though theyre due.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I spent all last year bashing Bruntlett and then, after watching him in the postseason and during Spring Training, I changed my tune. I saw a guy who plays real hard when he gets the chance. He was a really good defensive replacement late in games last year for Burrell. HOWEVER…….he is NOT an effective pinch-hitter. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And Coste isn’t much better. WE simply have to solve for that moving forward. There HAS to be a right-handed bat somewhere that we can get for pretty cheap.

    Starting pitching?? Let’s just work out a deal already. Go and get either Penny or Bedard or Webb if he’s healthy and let’s move forward. Bastardo isn’t the answer. Happ’s OK but back end of the rotation, Blanton’s not much better, and Moyer really shouldn’t be on this team….unless he wants to be Rich Dubee’s assistant. Hamels can’t do it alland it shows in his performance as of late.

    Bullpen. Yeah, we need help there too. I’m not convinced that Lidge is going to be ok and Madson IS flawed. Romero showed guts in the 8th but he walked a tightrope and that’s going to snap sometime. While Condrey really sucked last night, in his defense he has worked a lot and has been pretty good for us overall.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Geoff and Chuck P as the voices of reason i dig it.

    That dude ‘Mike C’ comes outta no where with these vastly negative posts about how the Phillies ship is sinking, they’re horrible, can’t beat anyone. Dude will you shut up, every team loses games like this, stop whining, you sound like my mom.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Also, i LOVE how when Lidge blew those saves everyone called for Madson and how he is ‘dominant’ and can do better than Lidge as the closer, and when he has ONE!! hiccup, everybody proclaims that he is ‘flawed’, ‘very hittable’, etc.

    I guess Rollins was right when he said that Phila fans ARE FRONT RUNNERS.

    I can’t believe the negative responses when the Phillies lose a game, i could imagine all of you at your kids little league games, probably yell and criticize the coaches in that too.

    Where Geoff, Don, NJ, MP, Griffin, Chuck P, voices of reason, and smarts.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    The Phillies record is 36-26. Take away their 10-2 record against the lowly Nats and the record is 26-24…..not exactly postseason-worthy. While I wouldn’t jump aboard the “sinking ship” that Mike C has created I would say that unless something is done NOW to correct this, then the Phillies won’t repeat and will be hard-pressed to make the playoffs. I think it’s foolish to think that the Mets aren’t going to somehow be there in mid-September and to also think that we can either overtake them or hold them off three years in a row. The odd just aren’t there.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Little Guy, I resent being called a FRONT RUNNER. I’ve been a Phillies fan all my life and have rode the ups and downs like everyone else. I’m just one guy that’s saying that the Phils DO have some very fundamental weaknesses that need to be addressed.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I think we can all agree the Phils could and maybe should be doing better in many areas though the win/loss column looks pretty favourable. I keep hearing the phrase 90% of the league are basically at the same level with 10% either above the curve or exceptionally bad, the feeling I get here sometimes is the expectation the Phils are in that 10% and I’m sceptical. I hope the Phillies can elevate the franchise to that level but I don’t think it’s something that should arbitrarily be expected, we’ve seen signs this year the team is capable of being a top 5 franchise, yet the team doesn’t seem capable of dictating it’s own success and there’s still that discomfort having a lead that almost derailed last year.

    The Phils are going to loose a lot more games this year, the only thing that can be critiqued is how those games are lost and the reality is the Phils aren’t helping themselves and look like 4 separate units out there instead of a united team and guys need to start taking the hand-off as it were and start being more willing to do something little to contribute to a bigger plan. You know what, there’s been a lot of speculation over Ibanez’s resurgence and I think that’s what it is, he’s been doing the little things all year which has led to bigger and better by not trying to make a name for himself and just playing the game with the right attitude.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Chuck, i was calling the people that come on here the morning after a loss and proclaim that the season is over, they stink, not good enough blah blah crap.

    I like and respect all your comments. Not the people overreact and love the team when they win, and hate them when they lose, their should be a medium between both.

  • Posts: 0 Chuck P

    NJ is right… there are a few teams that are REALLY bad and there are a few teams that are REALLY good. Right now, we’re neither but we are ahead of the curve. I would take it one step further and say that we’re the most dangerous of those teams in that 90%… this lineup is ridiculous.

    We’re going to nab a starter (who that is will determine a lot). Our pen is going to turn it around… I don’t doubt that. I don’t know what we’re going to do about the RH bench bat but our lineup is good enough to win without one.

    Interleague play is tough… let’s put a little pressure on these guys to start winning games at home. Our house…

  • Posts: 0 JeffS

    # Greg V. Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    “Where the hell is Gary Majewski? Wasn’t he a lock for the final roster spot until we decided to trade for Jack Taschner and move Happ to the pen? Why did we not bring up Koplove and allow him walk away from the organization? Where’s Zagurski at? I’m totally lost on some things here! Amaro has lots of calls to make if you ask me!”

    Zagurski is in Reading – saw him Sunday – I think still not ready after TJ, but he thinks he is, and he is on the 40 man roster for the Phils. Majewski in Allentown – might actually be able to have a bigger impact and take on more innings. The real question is, who do you eliminate to make room?

  • Posts: 0 beta sigma shag

    I also love the doom and gloom after a bad lose on here, not as bad as talk radio but today some of you are getting close. Madson very hittable didn’t he walk 2 guys. As long as this lose does not go to his head he will be fine as our closer until Lidge comes back hopefully healthy.
    IMO it should not have come down to 1 run lead in the 9th, this offense has got to do better at home, I know the Jays pitcher is good, but we scored 6 runs against the Sox, we need to score more than 3 runs at home.
    Like I always say it is one game, come back win today, and you forget about yestarday. Do we have some weaknesses, sure, did we last year? Yes were they addresed? Yes Blanton, Stairs, to name a few.
    Can we not be NY fans and say this teams suck because of a bad game or two or a week of bad games, this team is good, good enough to win the World Series, maybe not now, but they will make moves. A little faith in the WFC please and thank you.
    Moyer will win tonight, the guys has had what 3 really good outings in a row, but he is going to get shelled tonight. I just do not get were that comes from, if the Phillies can score 4 or 5 runs tonight they will win

  • Posts: 0 mikeB

    The offense should get the blame for this latest loss for not putting more runs up on the board. Howard and Ibanez had poor games at the bat. Madson walked the tying run in but did not give up the lead. That dubious distinction goes to Condrey who gave up five runs. Condrey is not the relief pitcher for close games. Long relief or middle relief but not when the game is on the line. Need to be far ahead in the game before you bring him in or way behind. Is a pitcher for eating up the innings in those situations but I realize that Manuel is short of established relievers in the pen right now.

  • Posts: 0 Daniel Murphy

    just saying but billy the kid wagner will be back by mid-august for the metsies wooooooo hoooooo

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