Gamenight: Blue Jays (35-31) At Phillies (36-26)

Posted by Tim Malcolm, Wed, June 17, 2009 05:48 PM | Comments: 200
Gameday 2009, Posts

jayslogo Toronto Blue Jays (35-31) at Philadelphia Phillies (36-26)
Scott Richmond (4-3, 3.90 ERA) vs. Jamie Moyer (4-5, 6.11 ERA)
Time: 7:05 p.m. at Citizens Bank Park, Philadelphia
Weather: Rain, 64
TV: Comcast SportsNet, ESPN
Twitter: Phillies Nation

Probably should’ve been a win last night, but you know …

It’s okay, because tonight Jamie Moyer will take on a bunch of guys he hasn’t faced much. Oh wait, he has. The following batting averages against Jamie Moyer since 2004: Marco Scutaro (.379), Lyle Overbay (.462), Aaron Hill (.375), Vernon Wells (.350), Alex Rios (.474), John McDonald (.444), Scott Rolen (.333).

Meanwhile the Phillies have never seen Toronto starter Scott Richmond. There are literally two kinds of results you see when the Phils face a new pitcher: Either he completely dominates them or they thrash him up and down. Richmond is a fastball-slider pitcher who gets killed by lefties (1.055 OPS), so if the meat of the order can do work tonight, it should be an easy victory. Of course, Raul Ibanez is hitting just .220 in his last nine games, and Ryan Howard is hitting .216 with 17 strikeouts in his last 11. Both span back to the series in San Diego.

Clay Condrey’s back still ails, so consider him unavailable tonight. The same might be said for Tyler Walker, who allowed a two-run double in the 10th last night.

Your gamenight beer: Budweiser Budvar. Wait, a good Budweiser? This one is a Czech pilsner, so good luck finding it. But hey, it’s a cool summer lager you can enjoy with any summer fare. I’d go with pizza tonight.

Go Phillies!

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  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    The only thing worse than watching a game like this is watching a game like this and being on a diet.

  • Posts: 0 Matt

    Morris asked if a player can retire in the middle of a game…didn’t Kruk do that when he got his career average to .300?

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Since when does being a Phillies fan mean not criticizing them?

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    you missing the point on wins a stat for pitchers, if a guy loses a game 1-0 and a guy loses a game 13-2 they are two entirely different performances. Or a guy goes 7 2/3 and has a 1-0 lead and leaves with a guy on first and second the pen comes in a gives up a dinger the guy gets the loss. I know these are extreme situations but i exaggerate to prove a point. Yes your ace needs to be a shut down guy and not give up any runs if you offense can’t score. but your 4th 5th pitchers are going to give up 3 4 or even 5 runs that is why they are 4 and 5 pitchers. Run support has a lot to do with as does your bull pen, i know this game is 7-1 and Moyer did not pitch good today does not mean he sucks. that makes you look like a band wagon fan or a new yorker.
    Plus 5 hits and what 9K against a AAA pitcher is just not good enough

  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    Realistically why is this team so bad at home? It makes no sense to me.

    Too much pressure? Gimme a break.

    Not enough pressure? Never heard of that before.

    Too busy a schedule being the world champs? Maybe the first week, but now? No way.

    I really dont get it.

    And please just put Rollins in the 6th spot and leave him there. He’s a great SS who is having a bad year at the plate. We shouldnt all have to suffer through it with him. Putting him in th leadoff spot is not going to help him get out of it.

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Krukker did do it. He got a single and left the game. It was when he was with the White Sox.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Matt, Schmidt retired after a game against the Padres i believe.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    It was either the Padres or Giants.

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Would you honestly say that Moyer has had more good starts than bad starts this year?

  • Posts: 0 j reed

    So this guy Richmond will a have a complete game against the World Series champs…even the “glass half fullers” have to be wincing….

  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    Also, I live in SC and I’m too cheap to pay $200 for the MLB package on TV that shows no Phillies home announcers, so I rarely get to watch them. Tim….can you find out what their record is on national TV? I really dont know if I’ve watched them win a game this year other than against the Braves.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    I am not saying you can not criticize them, I am saying you can not say this guy sucks after on bad start in 4, or the team is a disaster after one or 2 or even 3 bad games. And maybe give some real input into what you feel will help. and not just “we need to sell the farm for an ace” that is short sighted.

    And I say lets have a 8 run 8th just for shits and giggles. And watch half of you band wagoners change your tune. Oh this team is unstoppable, sounds like muts fans

  • Posts: 0 OZ

    Uggghhhh. How are our minor league affiliates playing?

  • Posts: 0 Dan


  • Posts: 0 j reed

    i spoke to soon…looks like activity in Jays bull pen

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    shag, speak your mind young fella. Haha. I’m loving it.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    next I am going hear on here that JB had to good starts now he is going to get bombed, you know negativity spreads haven’t you ever watched Ghostbusters, or was it Ghostbusters II with the negitive slim in NYC

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Why are they even taking a bat up to the plate with them?

  • Posts: 0 The Big Dipper

    Ibanez is hitting a huge slump, 0-3 tonight with two strikeouts and 1 GIDP.

    I guess he is finally coming back down to earth.

    The Big Dipper

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Love to whine. Its great getting our butts kicked against an average AL team.

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    An ace would be nice. But I would settle for a guy we can seriously claim is a #2.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    Is any going to deny this team should be killing Richmond at the plate, one run five hits you reallly have to be kidding me. Hope the bats show up tomorrow, and if we can find a way to win, then sweep Baltimore, that would be 5-4 at home against the American League.

    Wait stop think in the moment 8 run 8th

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    ok 8 run 9th ha ha my fault

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    They are debating whether or not to let Richmond pitch the 9th? Hell, I would let him pitch tomorrow.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Morris, good call. His curve is dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty.

  • Posts: 0 mg52

    I kinda am wincing, J Reed. What it comes down to is that the Phils don’t often make in-game adjustments. They went up against a relatively unknown pitcher tonight who did throw well and have since been unable to string together base hits and create runs. They seem to be using the exact same approach that they used last game…and the game before that…and the entire season, really.
    Good teams, especially those trying to repeat as champions, do not come out with the same agenda day in and day out. They study pitchers before, during and after games and decide if they want to be patient, aggressive, elaborate, compact, fiery, cool…and so on. In short, they adapt.
    I always look at how many good soccer teams don’t try to take miraculous shots at goal and permit the other team to dominate them the rest of the time – but instead hold possession for a long time with crisp passes and subsequently break down the defense. This Phils team has to do the equivalent – map out a way to scratch out runs and keep the pressure coming.
    I would have liked Moyer to pitch deeper into the game despite his struggles so that the bullpen could have taken some time off. We’ll just have to wait and see. Manuel has discussed the need for a top-line starter. I am beginning to think that they should do anything they can to get him. That, to me, does not necessarily mean dealing the best prospects – but possibly removing someone from the starting line-up. It should not be rushed, but a good pitcher will be worth a helluva lot for this ballclub.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    well the real pen got a rest tonight, except Durbin, so is that a positive. JC, Condrey, Madson all got another day off, as well as Chan Ho

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    One thing i did notice with Richmond, the only pitch he threw for a called-strike was his fastball, his curve and slider just broke completely out of the zone.

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Here is what I said about Richmond at 7:39

    “I think you meant to say, this guy can’t throw a breaking pitch for a strike and his fastball was up in the zone which means our guys will take a bunch of real ugly hacks against him. and strike out.”

  • Posts: 0 Shawn Victorino

    i just hope they get one run outta this so that little guys prediction is wrong!!!!

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    How come nobody boos at the stadium anymore? Werth should be hearing it now.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    This dudes alllllll tattttted up

  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Interleague play at home sucks.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Damn Victorino, not even rooting for me? I knew i shoulda bet haha

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Well Jays fans will be raving about Richmond’s strikeoots…

  • Posts: 0 j reed

    mg52-couldn’t agree more…its not that the team isn’t good, it just they could be better if not dominate if we could manufacture runs….it s a headier brand of baseball that we don’t tend to play eventhough we are more than capable. As for giving up position players for pitching…I’m not a fan of it since have such a high failure rate…you can get really burned like we did with Garcia…Speaking of miraclous soccer shots, did you see the bicycle kick in the North Korea and Saudis game.

    HEY LITTLE GUY: NICE PREDICTION….I’ll vouch for it as i read the orginal post.

  • Posts: 0 The Little Guy

    Ha thanks reed, lucky guess.

  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Batalico- Myers is considered to have one of the best curves in mlb

  • Posts: 0 Dennis of VA

    The Phillies have a serious problem with their pitching, their hitting at home is just terrible and yes Jroll needs to be sent down to the 6th spot! They lack that fire because they are WFC’s!

  • Posts: 0 4daysrest.com

    This is just one of those nights where you don’t know which way to turn after a loss. Everything was terrible.

    Moyer was getting hit around like it was batting practice and it could have been even worse. He failed to give the bullpen much of a rest again.

    Raul Ibanez is just TERRIBLE lately. I never thought I’d say this, but he is just miserable to watch lately with all of these strikeouts.

    These lefthanded hitters kept swinging at a curveball that was a BALL almost every time. It’s just so frustrating when you’re sitting on a couch watching this shit. As Phillies fans, we rise and fall too much with every win and loss. I know this better than anyone. The problem is, these losses are just miserable.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    OK a sort of bad game yesterday, a truly terrible game tonight, the season must be over, let’s just trade JRoll, Vic, Howard, for a bunch of prospects, then throw Cole and JB for some young pitching, then we can start all over again, I can wait another 28 years for WS. Cause these guys are the worst team I have ever seen in my 38 years of being a Phillies fan. Maybe we can just swap the whole team for the Pirates team, talent in the minors, yea that would work for me

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    At least Baltimore kick the mutts ass tonight. So we are still 3 up in a very weak division, could it be possible, the weakest division in baseball right now, NL West is pretty bad, so is the AL west, but is the NL East really that far ahead of them

  • Posts: 0 4daysrest.com

    Clearly it’s not that bad. But my point was that this is miserable baseball to watch right now.

    And I DID say that as Phillies fans, we rise and fall too much with every win and loss. It’s sort of in our blood given the rollercoaster rides these teams put us on.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    and Feliciona got the lose that is nice, at least we are not losing ground is that positive or what

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    That was not directed at you 4daysrest. Just the chosen few who jump off bridges and say things like Moyer sucks, yes he did tonight, but he has pitched servicable last few starts and had two really good starts as of late

  • Posts: 0 4daysrest.com

    Is “serviceable” going to win the Phillies another World Series? I am happy when Moyer gives you his standard 6 innings and 3 runs because this lineup can usually put up more runs than that, but this team can’t afford to have him give up 6 or 7 runs every 3rd time out.

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    ah everyone all mad at the terible game they played tonight, no one talking anymore
    I have to say I ll give up to you tonight, you were right Moyer got rocked,
    Saying that does that mean he will pitch well his next start.

    An observation maybe these american league guys know how to pitch Raul, and that is why he is in a slump. If he can come out of it in the next week, maybe split up the lefties again, Werth with the exception of his last at bat seems to be coming around, do we go back to Utley, Howard, Wreth, Raul for awhile,

  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    It did last year, Moyer was not awesome last year, and you really need only two studs and two servicable guys to get you through the playoffs, If JB keeps it up he is almost a 2, not saying we don’t go out and get a guy to fill in the rotation, but if Moyer is your 4th starter that would work in the playoffs
    Like I have posted before, the front office made some good moves last year, so why doubt them now. They are not going to give up too much for a pitcher who is only going to play this year, they are taking their time, I say have a little faith in the FO and see what they do.
    Like I said in the off season the Raul signing, I will wait and see, and despite his recent slump that seems to have worked out pretty well so far, so I still believe they will make the right move, and not mortgage their future

  • Posts: 0 metheadfred

    Well well Jamie pitching batting practice again…who’d thunk it…6.5mil
    J Ro can’t catch a hit or a ball ………………………………………………7.5mil
    Biff Hamel’s wife won’t let him pitch past 6 innings………………….4.35mil
    Brad out on a ledge Lidge on the DL will never be a narrator again 11.5!!!
    Meyers is out as well I hope his wife is ok……………………………….12mil?
    Ibanez is going for the I’m going into a slump look…………………..6.5mil
    Jason Worthless…….ya might wana get the hair cut …………………2mil
    thank god you have the best broadcasters……………………………………..
    what’s that a sj catch phrase……………………………hmmmmmmmm

  • Posts: 0 A.J.

    The Mets did soooooooooooooooooo much better against a much worse team.

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