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> <channel><title>Comments on: May: Winning More, Losing Myers</title> <atom:link href="http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/</link> <description>Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 00:00:06 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: mikemike</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97177</link> <dc:creator>mikemike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:36:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97177</guid> <description>Nj my point is the phillies over the years. Haven&#039;t been able to develop pitchers. I am talking about the all the top pitchers they have taking, who didn&#039;t pan out ,look at there history its not good only ferguson Jenkins, roberts, cole have been aces and they traded jenkins. That is a lot of years to not get it right.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nj my point is the phillies over the years. Haven&#8217;t been able to develop pitchers. I am talking about the all the top pitchers they have taking, who didn&#8217;t pan out ,look at there history its not good only ferguson Jenkins, roberts, cole have been aces and they traded jenkins. That is a lot of years to not get it right.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Miles</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97175</link> <dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:26:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97175</guid> <description>YES! Great news Keith!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES! Great news Keith!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97174</link> <dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:23:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97174</guid> <description>Ibanez is now 2nd in All star game votes for OFshttp://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090601&amp;content_id=5084116&amp;vkey=news_mlb&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=mlb</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibanez is now 2nd in All star game votes for OFs</p><p><a
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97173</guid> <description>Geoff I don&#039;t think anyone is arguing with you there.  I said the exact same thing earlier on when I was talking about needing another proven MLB arm.  I also view Moyer as a 4th starter in the playoffs...someone who might need to make a couple starts and try to keep us in the game.  I was just defending him because I do not believe he is an afterthought.  The Phillies FO obviously doesn&#039;t think so either otherwise he wouldn&#039;t be throwing out there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff I don&#8217;t think anyone is arguing with you there.  I said the exact same thing earlier on when I was talking about needing another proven MLB arm.  I also view Moyer as a 4th starter in the playoffs&#8230;someone who might need to make a couple starts and try to keep us in the game.  I was just defending him because I do not believe he is an afterthought.  The Phillies FO obviously doesn&#8217;t think so either otherwise he wouldn&#8217;t be throwing out there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97172</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97172</guid> <description>Look, this is a great team.  They have what it takes to repeat.  They might even be able to get away with prospects filling in for a while.  But in the playoffs you need a dominant presence to backup Cole Hamels like we saw you needed last year.  Without Brett there, despite whatever faults he may have, they really do need that up front.  Are you counting on Joe Blanton to be a number 2 now? Moyer? Happ even?Hamels, Blanton, Happ is a good foundation for the rest of the season here.  But Moyer is what he is and now weve got a wild card prospect up here (who could be good, or could not be, which makes tomorrow an exciting game to watch.But IN THE PLAYOFFS you need more than Hamels Blanton Happ.  Moyer is a total afterthought.  he isnt even a factor in the decision making process here.  i would not even consider sending him out there in a playoff game this time.  not now. not anymore.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, this is a great team.  They have what it takes to repeat.  They might even be able to get away with prospects filling in for a while.  But in the playoffs you need a dominant presence to backup Cole Hamels like we saw you needed last year.  Without Brett there, despite whatever faults he may have, they really do need that up front.  Are you counting on Joe Blanton to be a number 2 now? Moyer? Happ even?</p><p>Hamels, Blanton, Happ is a good foundation for the rest of the season here.  But Moyer is what he is and now weve got a wild card prospect up here (who could be good, or could not be, which makes tomorrow an exciting game to watch.</p><p>But IN THE PLAYOFFS you need more than Hamels Blanton Happ.  Moyer is a total afterthought.  he isnt even a factor in the decision making process here.  i would not even consider sending him out there in a playoff game this time.  not now. not anymore.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manny</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97171</link> <dc:creator>Manny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:07:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97171</guid> <description>I agree NJ... now because Carrasco isn&#039;t having an amazing season, he&#039;s suddenly trade bait?? Cmon, people are now just as crazy about Drabek as they were for Carrasco... I say both deserve a shot (or two, or three) sometime in our rotation..Those are guys we should really hang on to.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree NJ&#8230; now because Carrasco isn&#8217;t having an amazing season, he&#8217;s suddenly trade bait?? Cmon, people are now just as crazy about Drabek as they were for Carrasco&#8230; I say both deserve a shot (or two, or three) sometime in our rotation..Those are guys we should really hang on to.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Miles</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97170</link> <dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:02:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97170</guid> <description>Geoff you are incredible man.  Listen you can bash their players and their lineup all you want.  You can even bash Chris Wheeler.  The FACT is that they have a higher team batting average than the Phils offense and the Dodgers and the Phils are the only teams that have scored more runs.  That is a FACT.  I want to make sure that is clear.The fact that their pitching and defense are terrible is totally irrelevant in this discussion.  By your logic of them being terrible, then the only &quot;legitimate&quot; offense that Moyer can face is LA because he certainly can&#039;t pitch against us, can he?  So just a note to everyone...if you don&#039;t have a good start against the Dodgers it doesn&#039;t matter because the team is illegitimate. (me chuckling as Bruce did earlier)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff you are incredible man.  Listen you can bash their players and their lineup all you want.  You can even bash Chris Wheeler.  The FACT is that they have a higher team batting average than the Phils offense and the Dodgers and the Phils are the only teams that have scored more runs.  That is a FACT.  I want to make sure that is clear.</p><p>The fact that their pitching and defense are terrible is totally irrelevant in this discussion.  By your logic of them being terrible, then the only &#8220;legitimate&#8221; offense that Moyer can face is LA because he certainly can&#8217;t pitch against us, can he?  So just a note to everyone&#8230;if you don&#8217;t have a good start against the Dodgers it doesn&#8217;t matter because the team is illegitimate. (me chuckling as Bruce did earlier)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NJ</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97167</link> <dc:creator>NJ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97167</guid> <description>mikemike we don&#039;t know how good our pitching prospects are one way or the other, only Cole and Kendrick have been given chances in the last 3 years while many teams have drafted and cultivated pitchers into average, good and very good major leaguers. Plus Zach Greinke is proof you can&#039;t write a prospect off until you&#039;ve given him more than one chance and sometimes two.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikemike we don&#8217;t know how good our pitching prospects are one way or the other, only Cole and Kendrick have been given chances in the last 3 years while many teams have drafted and cultivated pitchers into average, good and very good major leaguers. Plus Zach Greinke is proof you can&#8217;t write a prospect off until you&#8217;ve given him more than one chance and sometimes two.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Keith</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97166</link> <dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97166</guid> <description>whoa, harsh Geoff.JC Romero won&#039;t stink up the joint</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa, harsh Geoff.</p><p>JC Romero won&#8217;t stink up the joint</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-2/#comment-97165</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:41:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97165</guid> <description>Dunn is your typical good player on a losing team, and I think hell always be that way.  Willie Harris gets good at bats at least.  Zimmermann is good.  nick Johnson sees a lot of pitches and gets walks but he cant hit those pitches he sees.  their middle infielders suck.  keanrs, willingham? eh. dukes? has potential.i dunno man thats a lame duck team there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunn is your typical good player on a losing team, and I think hell always be that way.  Willie Harris gets good at bats at least.  Zimmermann is good.  nick Johnson sees a lot of pitches and gets walks but he cant hit those pitches he sees.  their middle infielders suck.  keanrs, willingham? eh. dukes? has potential.</p><p>i dunno man thats a lame duck team there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97164</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97164</guid> <description>They have no pitching and no defense.  Their lineup is OK at best.  Chris Wheeler thinks they have a great lineup, but thats Chris Wheeler.Im not saying that Oswalt is the best guy to get, Im just saying he looks really gettable.  My problem with Oswalt is I think they have like 14M, and 16M committed to him in the next two seasons at minimum.  Thats a lot of money for someone liek Oswalt who is due to break down and miss a season in the near future.If you want to have a lefty-heavy rotation then Bedard is the top guy who is available at the current moment.  What other right handers are KNOWN to be available right niow?webb, haren, halladay arent really available, peavy isnt comingso brad penny? no way.  marquis? eh ok i guess not is a back-end pitcher.  cook? i havent read anything saying hes legitimately available.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have no pitching and no defense.  Their lineup is OK at best.  Chris Wheeler thinks they have a great lineup, but thats Chris Wheeler.</p><p>Im not saying that Oswalt is the best guy to get, Im just saying he looks really gettable.  My problem with Oswalt is I think they have like 14M, and 16M committed to him in the next two seasons at minimum.  Thats a lot of money for someone liek Oswalt who is due to break down and miss a season in the near future.</p><p>If you want to have a lefty-heavy rotation then Bedard is the top guy who is available at the current moment.  What other right handers are KNOWN to be available right niow?</p><p>webb, haren, halladay arent really available, peavy isnt coming</p><p>so brad penny? no way.  marquis? eh ok i guess not is a back-end pitcher.  cook? i havent read anything saying hes legitimately available.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bruce</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97163</link> <dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97163</guid> <description>Ignoring the usual rants by the Moyer bashers, I prefer to see what I think is the management&#039;s perspective on the actual need for a starter. It amuses me that some here see a need for two starters as if money grew on trees and toss names in trade proposals with the logic of baseball fantasy mindset. Considering the Phillies&#039; all time high of $135 million plus for their budget covering this season and their track record on spending, I suspect they do have limitations in mind when  seeking a quality starter and practicality dictates a need for one starter. They are not going spend a fortune or mortgaging their farm prospects for one of those &quot;glamour&quot; name pitchers that the GM wanna be&#039;s here are enamored with.Of course, GM Amaro has put on record for public consumption his interest in those high priced glamour pitchers that may be available in the next two months prior to July 31st non-waiver trade deadline. However, it&#039;s my gut feeling that Pat Gillick has Amaro&#039;s ear and advising him to consider other avenues if the asking price for a Bedard or anyone else is exorbitant.Based on Gillick&#039;s philosophy of giving veterans with proven track record (see Moyer, Blanton, etc) a chance to built on their record, I can see Amaro looking at some unsigned free agents that won&#039;t cost a arm/leg or boatload of prospects. Available are Paul Byrd and Odalis Perez. One or the other may be able to fill the bill as #3 or #4 starter in rotation. I can hear the groans already from the GM wanna be&#039;s here (chuckles).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignoring the usual rants by the Moyer bashers, I prefer to see what I think is the management&#8217;s perspective on the actual need for a starter. It amuses me that some here see a need for two starters as if money grew on trees and toss names in trade proposals with the logic of baseball fantasy mindset. Considering the Phillies&#8217; all time high of $135 million plus for their budget covering this season and their track record on spending, I suspect they do have limitations in mind when  seeking a quality starter and practicality dictates a need for one starter. They are not going spend a fortune or mortgaging their farm prospects for one of those &#8220;glamour&#8221; name pitchers that the GM wanna be&#8217;s here are enamored with.</p><p>Of course, GM Amaro has put on record for public consumption his interest in those high priced glamour pitchers that may be available in the next two months prior to July 31st non-waiver trade deadline. However, it&#8217;s my gut feeling that Pat Gillick has Amaro&#8217;s ear and advising him to consider other avenues if the asking price for a Bedard or anyone else is exorbitant.</p><p>Based on Gillick&#8217;s philosophy of giving veterans with proven track record (see Moyer, Blanton, etc) a chance to built on their record, I can see Amaro looking at some unsigned free agents that won&#8217;t cost a arm/leg or boatload of prospects. Available are Paul Byrd and Odalis Perez. One or the other may be able to fill the bill as #3 or #4 starter in rotation. I can hear the groans already from the GM wanna be&#8217;s here (chuckles).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Miles</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97161</link> <dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97161</guid> <description>So Geoff I guess the 240 runs the Nationals have scored so far this year are also a fluke?  (That&#039;s 3rd in the league btw).  Cmon dude you are freaking out, admit it.  Cole &quot;ace&quot; Hamels had just given up 6 runs to this same Nats team the night before Jamie&#039;s 3 hit showing, as you mentioned.  And by the way, his other quality start was against the Reds, a legitimate team, although really they are much less dangerous than the Nationals offense considering the are in the middle of the pack in the NL offensively.Don&#039;t confuse the Nationals god-awful pitching staff with a team that can&#039;t hit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Geoff I guess the 240 runs the Nationals have scored so far this year are also a fluke?  (That&#8217;s 3rd in the league btw).  Cmon dude you are freaking out, admit it.  Cole &#8220;ace&#8221; Hamels had just given up 6 runs to this same Nats team the night before Jamie&#8217;s 3 hit showing, as you mentioned.  And by the way, his other quality start was against the Reds, a legitimate team, although really they are much less dangerous than the Nationals offense considering the are in the middle of the pack in the NL offensively.</p><p>Don&#8217;t confuse the Nationals god-awful pitching staff with a team that can&#8217;t hit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Big Dipper</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97160</link> <dc:creator>The Big Dipper</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:34:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97160</guid> <description>The Nationals have an offense with no pitching and can do damage with the bats, obviously how they lit up cole yet Jaime shut them down.You knew what you were getting with Moyer same as last year an average of 6 IP and 3-4 ERs each start. Kendrick and Eaton were never consistent, Moyer has been other than his slump. He got the 250 monkey off his back and he will continue to do his thing for the rest of the season. The FO knew what they were getting and knew the offense should score enough runs to make sure we win games when the starter goes 6 IP and 3-4 ERs.Look at Oswalts game logs, he has been just like Moyer all season, does it make sense to get him if you hate on Moyer all the time?The Big Dipper</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nationals have an offense with no pitching and can do damage with the bats, obviously how they lit up cole yet Jaime shut them down.</p><p>You knew what you were getting with Moyer same as last year an average of 6 IP and 3-4 ERs each start. Kendrick and Eaton were never consistent, Moyer has been other than his slump. He got the 250 monkey off his back and he will continue to do his thing for the rest of the season. The FO knew what they were getting and knew the offense should score enough runs to make sure we win games when the starter goes 6 IP and 3-4 ERs.</p><p>Look at Oswalts game logs, he has been just like Moyer all season, does it make sense to get him if you hate on Moyer all the time?</p><p>The Big Dipper</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mikemike</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97158</link> <dc:creator>mikemike</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:31:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97158</guid> <description>Nj the phillies really haven&#039;t been able to draft and develop top pitching talent. and nothing makes me think it&#039;s changing. Go over the top choices and see how many were pitchers who didn&#039;t pan out.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nj the phillies really haven&#8217;t been able to draft and develop top pitching talent. and nothing makes me think it&#8217;s changing. Go over the top choices and see how many were pitchers who didn&#8217;t pan out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97157</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:28:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97157</guid> <description>Bastardo could also be valuable out of the bullpen once that cheater JC Romero comes back and stinks up the joint.Calming down a bit, I really do think Drabek is going to be something.  Carrasco could be trade bait for the right guy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bastardo could also be valuable out of the bullpen once that cheater JC Romero comes back and stinks up the joint.</p><p>Calming down a bit, I really do think Drabek is going to be something.  Carrasco could be trade bait for the right guy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Geoff</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97156</link> <dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97156</guid> <description>4 innings 6 runs (most of his starts) is average or below average, not good.  His 7 inning one run start against florida, his 6 inning 3 run start against florida, his start yesterday against the NATIONALS.his only three good or above average starts are against the bottom two teams in the division.  most recently, against a team UNIVERSALLY recognized as a disgrace to all professional sports franchises.in otherwords, BIG FREAKING DEAL! He can beat bad teams, well so could Kyle Kendrick, even Adam Eaton had 10 wins with this team. Moyer hasnt had a respectable, or even mediocre performance against a legitimate team this year.  everyone is all up on his jock again worshipping him for beating the WASHINGTON NATIONALS.hey Jamie, Congratulations on beating the WASHINGTON NATIONALS.  Now go retire and make room for Erik Bedard or Roy Oswalt or whoever it is they bring in here.  AAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGH!which is equally alarming in that they roughed up cole hamels pretty bad. hes gotta do better than that as the staff ace.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 innings 6 runs (most of his starts) is average or below average, not good.  His 7 inning one run start against florida, his 6 inning 3 run start against florida, his start yesterday against the NATIONALS.</p><p>his only three good or above average starts are against the bottom two teams in the division.  most recently, against a team UNIVERSALLY recognized as a disgrace to all professional sports franchises.</p><p>in otherwords, BIG FREAKING DEAL! He can beat bad teams, well so could Kyle Kendrick, even Adam Eaton had 10 wins with this team. Moyer hasnt had a respectable, or even mediocre performance against a legitimate team this year.  everyone is all up on his jock again worshipping him for beating the WASHINGTON NATIONALS.</p><p>hey Jamie, Congratulations on beating the WASHINGTON NATIONALS.  Now go retire and make room for Erik Bedard or Roy Oswalt or whoever it is they bring in here.  AAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGH!</p><p>which is equally alarming in that they roughed up cole hamels pretty bad. hes gotta do better than that as the staff ace.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: NJ</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97155</link> <dc:creator>NJ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97155</guid> <description>Miles I agree with you, the only prospect that is showing the signs of emulating Cole is Drabek who still has a long way to go. Not all prospects tear up the minor leagues and I&#039;m not convinced either Carrasco, Bastardo or Savery will be frontline starters or Carpenter or Naylor could be future Phillies regulars let alone the other pitching prospects though I try to stay true to this mindset. The Sox are the perfect model for how to create and sustain a championship calibre team, the Phillies have had success grooming elite talent from within.I&#039;m not expecting Bastardo to be the answer now, he may not be down the line but I believe you always have to keep an open channel from the big league club to its feeders to get guys up, send them back down, bring them back up until you&#039;ve guys who are part of the same generation as Cole and Chase because its a few years before it&#039;s a different window and if you keep the payroll flexible with young guys you can afford your stars for as long as you want them. I&#039;m just saying we have to stay true to a plan and trying to find someone in their free agent years to fill every whole has proved to be an expensive and misguided way to find a championship let alone sustain a yearly challenge which is all you can really ask for.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles I agree with you, the only prospect that is showing the signs of emulating Cole is Drabek who still has a long way to go. Not all prospects tear up the minor leagues and I&#8217;m not convinced either Carrasco, Bastardo or Savery will be frontline starters or Carpenter or Naylor could be future Phillies regulars let alone the other pitching prospects though I try to stay true to this mindset. The Sox are the perfect model for how to create and sustain a championship calibre team, the Phillies have had success grooming elite talent from within.</p><p>I&#8217;m not expecting Bastardo to be the answer now, he may not be down the line but I believe you always have to keep an open channel from the big league club to its feeders to get guys up, send them back down, bring them back up until you&#8217;ve guys who are part of the same generation as Cole and Chase because its a few years before it&#8217;s a different window and if you keep the payroll flexible with young guys you can afford your stars for as long as you want them. I&#8217;m just saying we have to stay true to a plan and trying to find someone in their free agent years to fill every whole has proved to be an expensive and misguided way to find a championship let alone sustain a yearly challenge which is all you can really ask for.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Miles</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97154</link> <dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97154</guid> <description>Geoff, in fairness, he only has three quality starts, but aside from the three game slump being referred to (5 ER, 7 ER, 7ER) he hasn&#039;t given up more than 4 runs in a game.  More often than not, the Phils will win those games.By comparison, Cole also has 3 starts where he has given up more than 4 runs in a game (5 once, 6 once, 7 once).  In Cole&#039;s other starts he has been better than Jamie, but not by as much as you would think.Listen, Jamie is not having a good season.  But I think its unfair to look at every one of his quality starts as some kind of fluke, especially considering he averaged a quality start every time out last year.  If you want to say we overpaid, be my guest, but I think Jamie is still a serviceable arm in this league.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, in fairness, he only has three quality starts, but aside from the three game slump being referred to (5 ER, 7 ER, 7ER) he hasn&#8217;t given up more than 4 runs in a game.  More often than not, the Phils will win those games.</p><p>By comparison, Cole also has 3 starts where he has given up more than 4 runs in a game (5 once, 6 once, 7 once).  In Cole&#8217;s other starts he has been better than Jamie, but not by as much as you would think.</p><p>Listen, Jamie is not having a good season.  But I think its unfair to look at every one of his quality starts as some kind of fluke, especially considering he averaged a quality start every time out last year.  If you want to say we overpaid, be my guest, but I think Jamie is still a serviceable arm in this league.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Big Dipper</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/06/may-winning-more-losing-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-97151</link> <dc:creator>The Big Dipper</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:13:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=4924#comment-97151</guid> <description>Geoff your an idiot, plain and simple. How do you define a good or servicable start 7IP 1ER?In 7 out of 10 games Moyer has given the team a good chance to win the game. With an offense that averages over 5 runs a game it is not his fault the offense has been giving him no run support.The Big Dipper</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff your an idiot, plain and simple. How do you define a good or servicable start 7IP 1ER?</p><p>In 7 out of 10 games Moyer has given the team a good chance to win the game. With an offense that averages over 5 runs a game it is not his fault the offense has been giving him no run support.</p><p>The Big Dipper</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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