Comments on: Phillies Scouting Pitchers

By: Joey

Joey — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:36:49 +0000

like Dr. baseball says.
some stupid phillies fan want high price pitcher.
which one is more risky?
buying high like Dan Haren and Cliff Lee or buying low like chien-ming wang?
which one get better return? just like stock market- buy low n sell high.
Wang will get u high return when he is totally in form

By: Dr. Baseball

Dr. Baseball — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:01:12 +0000

Obviously no one here is familiar with the concept of “buying low”.

Chen Ming Wang is at the lowest price you’ll ever get for a pitcher of his caliber (mid 90s sinkerballer)

Of course, you could pick up an older and slower Derek Lowe or Aaron Cook for 3 times the price.

By: NJ

NJ — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:10:21 +0000

Haren’s signed through 2012 a month before he turns 32, he’ll only become available if and when the D-Backs feel they aren’t in a position to win except their built to be better when he starts to really get into the business end of that contract so barring a complete meltdown of guys like Upton, Reynolds, Scherzer etc. he’s not going to be even spoken about as available until 2011.

Different situation with Webb though, if he was healthy he would be poachable right now since it’s unlikely he’ll return to the D-Backs next year and their not in a position to win this year.

By: Temple

Temple — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:11:31 +0000

I was refering to an earlier post when Dan Haren was mentioned. He’s controlled for the next couple of years so I doubt, no matter how far Arizona drops, he would be made available. If he was a free agent after the season, then I agree he would be on the block.

By: NJ

NJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:16:11 +0000

Teams do look to see what they can get for their franchise players when they don’t expect to be able to re-sign them since they can almost hand-pick prospects from a number of suitors a la Johan Santana, Teixera (Texas to Atlanta).

If down the road the Phils are not expecting to have Cole past that current deal they will trade him if they don’t feel their likely to win, or that the return justifies the trade. Lets just hope that wont be the situation and this team has prospects who look capable of playing major roles and extending a window that would justify extending free agents Howard, Utley, Rollins etc.

By: Bruce

Bruce — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:00:58 +0000

beta sigma shag, Temple is merely being realistic with his statement. Regardless of whether the team is considered good or mediocre, rarely do the front office give up a franchise player for prospects or the added motive of cutting costs. Hypothetically, Hamels would never be traded even if the Phillies didn’t have a star-cladded team and were out of the race on day one. Pitching is such a premium and having a franchise pitcher is an ideal situation where the team can be built around one.

No team is without a certain number of bonafide prospects in their farm system. Obviously, certain teams have a greater wealth of prospects. However, it is not a permanent situation as it runs in cycles depending on order of future draft selection and affordability.

By: beta sigma shag

beta sigma shag — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:09:42 +0000

Temple good teams don’t but teams that are trying to cut payroll, and get core of young kids for a future they do not have do. If the Phillies were out of it, and say they did not have Drebek and a few others in their system, and some one offered them a posible future ace, and a future big bat, and Hamels was owed like 30 million next year, they would move him.
But the Phillies core is here for two three more years and they have a strong farm so they would not move those guys

By: beta sigma shag

beta sigma shag — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:04:43 +0000

I am not sure about Wang, Like I stated before win loss for a pitcher is over rated, I live around a bunch of yankee fans, and if I remember correctly, I am pretty sure he won more than a few games 9-6 10-5 last year, I may be wrong but I was never impressed with him, just like Dice-K for the Sox, won a lot of games last year but his run support was like 7 so I would stay away from Wang.
Am I repeating myself if I say no rentals for prospects, unless it is something Kendrick or someone who is not going to be any good. Only trade true prospects for a pitcher you can keep for one if not two more years.

By: Temple

Temple — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:01:52 +0000

I don’t quite understand the notion that just because a team is far back in the division they would make their impact players available. If they Phillies were 10-15 out I doubt they would make Hamels or Utley available.

By: Michael N.

Michael N. — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:36:29 +0000

I don’t see a problem with Wang he’s just a little injured thats all if his price was low i’d go for it the guy is a groundball pitcher and if he was healthy and his pitches started to sink i think hes right back to winning 19games a year like he did 2x’s in a row already.

By: NJ

NJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:12:13 +0000

Think considering he’d be a rental Contreras could be a solid move. Looks like it’ll be a couple more weeks before we really know who’s likely to be moving.

By: NJ

NJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:08:31 +0000

Chuck Chris Perez considered to have a lot of value (early Ryan Madson) plus the PTBNL and this is being spoken of as a good deal for both sides.

Looks like Bedard’s only going to command tybe B status as a FA. Oswalt just isn’t going to happen.

By: Don M

Don M — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:02:23 +0000

The REDS were said to be looking to add a bat… which means that they will be BUYERS at the deadline… so I doibt Harang is going anywhere.

The WhiteSox are said to be shopping Closer Bobby Jenks … which would make them SELLERS … so maybe Buerhle would be available ? His name was out there earlier

Cliff Lee is super-nasty.. I want him over any other pitcher

By: Chuck P

Chuck P — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:46:13 +0000

Can’t believe that the Cardinals got Derosa for what amounts to nothing… all indications were that he was going to command a ton on the trade market.

Meche… will miss Thursday’s start with shoulder fatigue. Next infatuation?

Cliff Lee, Oswalt, Bedard, Harang (maybe…) or Duke (if they’re willing to part ways, I’m willing to give him and his 3.08 ERA a shot).

By: Michelle the Belle

Michelle the Belle — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:26:19 +0000

Hope the phills can get 3 mores win on the road against the Braves….before they come home…and go 2 and 8 in the next home stand….I hope we can get 80 wins this year my Dad thinks it would be as good as a world series kinda …my dad is the biggest philly fan…go phills

By: NJ

NJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:21:39 +0000

Whats the hate with Wang? The guy was hurt. His numbers show he’s getting his groundball numbers back but he’s not conditioned yet because the Yanks don’t want on anyone. Right now the they have a surplus of starting pitching and Wang is poachable, he’s a career 54-20 going into the year. If the Phils or any other team gives him the time to get game healthy there’s no reason to think he can’t return to form.

By: NJ

NJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:11:45 +0000

Meche signed a 4 year deal with the Royals and he’s in year 3.

Meche or Harang (talent vs cost and contract) seem the best two names but I suspect harder deals to make than we’d think.

By: John

John — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:10:54 +0000

If the Phils pick up Wang, I might injure myself. I’m pretty sure his ERA was close to 40 (!?!?) earlier this season…

By: NJ

NJ — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:54:36 +0000

Remember Wang won 19 games back to back and was 8-2 before going down hurt last year. He may be healthy enough to make his starts right now but he’s clearly not healthy enough to return to form. If he could be acquired cheap there’s no reason to think he couldn’t return to form down the line, it’s a risk and not an immediate help but could be a low risk high result deal. That said it’s not out of the question to think he may be a non-tender candidate for the Yanks.

The Indians don’t need to trade Lee, his value is still likely to be very high this time next year so the Indians will ask for the moon and sit on him until they find a deal they like.

I think our best hope is for Cincinnati fall out of contention fast.

By: Maverick

Maverick — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:49:39 +0000

Meche still has 2 or 3 years left on his deal…

he’s a good pitcher but gets little exposure playing for the royals..