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Done Deal: Phillies Acquire Lee

Posted by Amanda Orr, Wed, July 29, 2009 01:58 PM | Comments: 184
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Fox Sports reports that the Cleveland Indians and Philadelphia Phillies have agreed to a deal that sends Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco to the Phillies for Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald and Lou Marson. Both team still have to examine medical records before the deal is official.

Francisco is the right-handed bat that the Phillies have been looking for. Francisco is batting .250 with 10 homers and 33 RBIs. Lee is 7-9 with a 3.14 ERA and 1.30 WHIP. He is the reigning American League Cy Young winner.

OPINION: This is a great deal for the Phillies. They keep Kyle Drabek, J.A Happ, Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown, their top prospects. Knapp has a lot of potential, but Marson and Donald were being blocked anyway, and Carlos Carrasco has been falling off the radar. Not only do they get a former Cy Young winner, but a bat off the bench.

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  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I agree with keeping Happ on a count… if he pitches 6 shutout innings and the pen’s rested, then take him out of the game…

     
  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    Dipsy,

    With all due respect, Moyer is untradeable. He’s a clubhouse/character guy, and he’s making too much money relative to what he is.

    Lopez I’d shop, if anyone wants him. Rangers need a SP, and Lopez has been seriously over performing. His ERA in the majors this year has actually been way lower than it was in AAA, wonder how much longer that lasts.

     
  • Posts: 0 dmarley

    “When will he start?? August 1st, perhaps?? …skipping Moyer’s start against Lincecum and keeping Lee on normal rest… Holy crap, this is great.”

    That’s what I’d do, send Lee against Lincecum on normal rest and save Moyer for Sunday, as he usually pitches well in day games.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    On the bullpen issue for the play-off roster we have two more guys than spots in the pen if you factor in Martinez and Myers who you’d guess are better options than a guy like Capps, so unless Romero won’t make it back and you need a second lefty the pen is stocked, or at least it will be.

    7 spots- Park/Eyre/Madson/Lidge with Durbin/Condrey/Romero/Martinez/Myers to return assuming its a 5 an bench.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mostone

    I expect the Phils to deal Lopez.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    Repeat!, I really, really doubt they would do it… unless Toronto panics over this development and lowers their price a lot. Still the possibility is there. Incompetent GMs open all sorts of doors.

    I do think the Phils are not done. They still have some needs and are now overstocked in terms of starting pitching. I do like the idea of them going to a six man rotation the rest of the way. That allows the starters to be more rested when the post season comes along. Pedro in the bullpen, with his attitude, could be really effective and I hope he really considers it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I do wonder whether Moyer spends some time on the DL while they begin the Pedro experiment/ wait for Happ to hit a rough patch. Moyer’s been pitching well, but they could use another righty in the rotation and I don’t think you can take Happ out at this point.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    This site has sucked for me all day… have been wanting to share my thoughts.

    I am in awe of Amaro’s genius… how he landed Cliff Lee without giving up a combination of Happ or Drabek or Brown or Taylor is beyond me LET ALONE NONE OF THEM.

    Halladay was admittedly the best fit for this team but this deal still gives us a very real chance to win a world championship without leaving gaping holes in our rotation in 2011 (when Lee leaves). It gives us flexibility and leverage for upcoming negotiations that will largely determine the direction of this franchise. You have to expect that at least one of Michael Taylor OR Dominic Brown are going to be legit… we eliminated the risk that we were trading the wrong guy and if both of them live up to their hype… watch out. Drabek/Happ/Hamels forms a formidable combination. Plus, we still have guys like Savery, Carpenter, May, Bastardo, Worley and Stutes that might pan out. If not, we’ll have extra cash because we kept this farm talent. All of this… and Lee is cheaper and he’s still a Type A (so we’ll get two draft picks if he walks).

    RUBEN… you are the man.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I’d expect to see Lopez kept for a few more days with a weak bullpen and traded after the deadline in a PTBNL kind of move.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    nm, I forgot for a moment just how many BP pitchers they have out of commission. Don’t mind me.

     
  • Posts: 0 Johnny Snowden

    So the consensus is that this is an awesome trade and I have to agree. And if I’m reading the general tone correctly, then we should trade for Halladay and have a 20 man rotation, a 30 man bullpen with at least 15 lefties and a 16 man bench each hitting either 30 pinch hit HR’s or .300 avg. AND it’ll only cost about about a billion dollars but hey, we’ll get to score at least 1,000 runs per inning and set a new record for winning the next 20 world championships over the next 10 years (cause we’ll just be that good) hahah

    So I know that was just totally rediculous but the only other move I see Amaro making is maybe trying to unload EITHER Lopez or Happ for a bench infielder. and even then I dunno.

    I’m just curious aside from riccardi, who’s out of a job? Assuming Pedro takes Lopez’ spot, do you really send ur rookie of the year candidate back down or do we try and convince moyer to step down and retire? And yeah the bullpen needs some help now, but in a few weeks and we get our guys back healthy and we have 23984345734239 arms back there (after the deadline) what do we do then?

    Now is it just me or are the phillies trying to put together the first completely left handed ballclub in history?

     
  • Posts: 0 JoeFan

    I’m thrilled to have both Happ and Lee on the staff. Since the Phillies will only use 4 starters in the playoffs I assume our starters are now set: Lee, Hamels, Blanton, and Happ. I assume Moyer, Pedro, and Myers are in the ‘pen for the playoffs – everyone agree? In another 10 to 14 days Pedro, Bret, Durbin, Coundrey, and Romero will be ready to pitch – doesn’t that make the ‘pen a bit crowded?

    Does anyone know the number of players teams can have in the playoffs compared to what they have now? Is it the same? I assume this deal means the Phils will send John Mayberry back to LV?

    Also, I’m thrilled we kept Drabek and Taylor. I believe Taylor will be a future all-star. Any projection of what happens to Taylor over the next 15 months if he’s not traded? My guess is he gets a Sept call-up and gets a few ML at bats this year, then spends a good bit of next year in Triple A, then he comes in to replace Ibanez after 2010.

    Can anyone answer these questions – is Joe Blanton signed for next year? Will the Phillies attempt to resign Pedro Feliz after this year? I love this site, everyone gives tremendous insight – it’s great to be a Phillies fan!

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I think the first completely left-handed ballclub in history is appropriate for the city that gave us the world’s most famous fictional southpaw.

     
  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2009/07/cliff_lee_ben_francisco_headed.html

    It feels like reading the Daily News when we traded Schilling. Apparently this is the worst trade the Indians have made since they traded Manhattan for some beans.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    No not all that Johny Snowden. But a big move to get another proven reliever. Qualls? Lee/Hamels/Blanton/Happ means absolutely nothing if Lidge continues to struggle. I personally thinks he needs to go now.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    NJ, I agree on Francisco being a perfrect 4th outfielder. He’s a 5 tool player. 13 steals only caught 3 times. 10 dingers. .270 against lefties. Can field. heck of a deal!

    We need insurance at closer. Lidge is scary right now and we’ll ruin Madson if he pitches in that roll. I’d find a package to get Sherrill in here because eyers is gone next year and he can slide right in. Aardsma is an untouchable I would think?

    I think the Jays will hold onto Halladay, but if they don’t we should try for Downs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jaggers

    SAT ANALOGY TIME!!!:

    Cliff Lee : Roy Halladay :: Joe Blanton : C.C. Sabatthia ?

    Halladay and Sabbathia were the big targets for this year and last year for a pitching upgrade. In both cases, the Phillies got more out of their ‘second’ choices. If Lee can be as successful this year as Blanton has been for us, we’re in the World Series without giving up the farm. Amazing job by Amaro.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    What would it take to get Bell?

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I second that post, Chuck P.

    If you send Pedro Martinez to the bullpen it will do wonders for the show”The Pen” haha!

    A Hamels-Lee (or Lee-Hamels) 1-2 punch is as good as it gets in baseball (same level as Lincecum-Cain, Sabathia-Burnett, and Lester-Beckett). We’re talking about the AL Cy Young winner and the WS MVP here…

    I can’t wait to see Lee pitch with the Phillies!!

    Good luck, J.P. Riccardi with your sandwich picks (more likely than not) next year! (Or, if you do trade Halladay, enjoy a [probably] inferior package!)

     
  • Posts: 0 ryan

    i love this deal. the only thing that i really worry about is that say, the dodgers acquire Halladay. then we may be in trouble. I’m really hoping Doc doesn’t go anywhere for our sake.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I understand the want for Sherrill but I think Pedro Martinez could really help the pen and if Myers can make it back you know he can put some pressure on Lidge to deliver. Unless we need a lefty there’s already more guys than spots and Sherrill wouldn’t come cheap.

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Whats this I hear about a trade?

     
  • Posts: 0 Jason Mess

    Lee has only allowed more than 3 run in a game 4 times this year and 2 were in the first month of the season. He does have good numbers against right handed hitters since June. I think he will be fine. Plus he gets to pitch against NL, I think he is like 12-2 vs the NL in his last 14 games. The only thing that might concern me a bit if he is a fly ball pitcher, that does not always work out well in CBP.

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    D. Jackson

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    psjoe- Downs would cost a fair bit and Bell’s rumoured to have a Halladay-equivalent pricetag. As I said when you look at the bullpen there’s more pitchers than spots so a trade seems unlikely and unnecessary we have Myers capable of closing out games if it came to that.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    It’s a good deal but Halladay is a superior pitcher….stuff wise. Lee’s got great stuff but other than a knucking curve is at 6’3, 190 lbs, it the same stuff as 6’3, 190 Hamels. Well the Red Sox have i think 9, 10 right handed bats…point is, after Lee, batters don’t have to readjust the next game…Now they get to face the a guy who by function of his height pitches a ball with a similiar angle of attack, a 4 seamer in the same 90+ range, a change-up, but unlike Lee, has a curve that fools no one and though pitch fx data says Hamels throws two-seamer, looking at the how similiar the horizontal/vertical movement is to his change-up, its more a variation of a change-up (Lee has a decent two-seamer though). And I have yet to see Hamels throw a legit two seamer and think pitch fx data classified it by its velocity which like many two-seamers is in the mid to upper eighties. If you think the Red Sox, after they gave us a tutorial in plate disclipline when he last saw them, are going to fooled by this esp. get all but the same the night before your crazy. And also, Hamels showed us last year that he has the focus of an elite pitcher, but as every team he faced in the off season was young and more suspectible to the change-up, you could argue he doesn’t have the arsenal of an ace but definitely will some day…his off season was short which combined with an injury hampered the development of his curve. Oh then we’ll put another lefty Happ, a rookie whose off speed stuff is better and works against the likes of the Reds but isn’t gonna fool a team that has had deal with Halladay, Sabbitha, Burnett on a regular basis. The Red Sox already handled his invisiba-ball, what that sluvery stuffs gonna work. I think Lee’s a good edition but a its not how he throws, but what he throws….you have to put his PITCHES not his stats. in the context of the rotation. Pray the Angels beat the Sox.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chrissy

    Cleveland fans are calling for the heads of all Indians management. I don’t think they got ripped off but they sure feel like they got ripped off.

     
  • Posts: 0 bull

    the fills need to make a move on Sherrill from the O’s he can take over if lidge keeps faltering and gives us another dominant lefty in the pen

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    I don’t care of the Dodgers get Roy Halladay. We’ll hit him like we’ve hit other top notch righties this year. Beckett, Haren just to name a few. And Phillie hitters have very good numbers against the Card’s Carpt. as well. Though I don’t beleive we’ve faced him this yr.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Blanton’s not eligible for free-agency until 2011… along with Lee and Moyer. Hamels is signed until 2012. Take Moyer’s money, re-sign Lee or Blanton… Hamels, Lee/Blanton, Happ, Drabek… mmm mmm good.

    Blanton is righthanded and Martinez is also righthanded… I don’t mind being lefty heavy anyway but those are two righthanders that could potentially start for us in the playoffs.

    Also… I really like Ben Francisco. 29 years old… power numbers should go up and he has intriguing speed. Not a bad bench player or fill in.

     
  • Posts: 0 Memphis

    Lots of mixed feelings on this one, mostly good. First, AWESOME not giving up the tip-top pieces in the farm system. Excited to add a guy like Lee, no question, even though I thought last year was a little flukey. A little disappointed not to get Halladay, because he is The Man, would have been the perfect fit, and he can now still go to someone else. A little curious (and cautious) how this is being played as a steal — Clev still got a very good package, Carrasco, Donald, Marson, Knapp likely all major leaguers someday (soon), and all (except Knapp) seemed to be regarded a little higher last year at this time (funny how perceptions change). They’ve been called “second tier” but that seems a little harsh. We gave up 3 young AAA guys and a fireballing phenom who could be Drabek next year. Still, pretty psyched. Nicely played, Rube.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Let’s see, trade the reigning Cy young pitcher for a head case in AAA, a good talent years away from seeing the big leagues and two future role players on MLB squadrons? Yeah, I can see why they’d be pissed.

    J reed, wonder if they shuffle up the order and put Blanton in the 2nd spot in the playoffs, just to split the lefties up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    I find it strange that everyone on here is fired up about the deal except everyone on WIP and 950 are bitching and moaning about this deal.

    You just got a guy with better stats over the last 2 years for 4 prospects that seem to be replacable parts.

    I am excited about this deal.

    Lee has a better quality start % the last two years than Halladay.

    My only worry is that Lee is less of a sure thing than Halladay. Halladays been at the top of the picthing pile for a longer period of time than Lee.

     
  • Posts: 0 Havoc

    In regards to the extra starting pitchers now. I think the rotation for the year will be.

    1. Hamels
    2. Lee
    3. Blanton
    4. Happ
    5. Moyer

    Lopez, has done a nice job for us but that just means he’ll be packaged in a deal for a prospect or additional bullpen/bench options. Pedro’s deal had built in incentives for him as a starter or a reliever so I think this was Amaro’s plan all along. Maybe Pedro will find the magic that Chan Ho has in the Phils Bullpen. With Myers coming back it gives more options at closer assuming Lidge continues to struggle. My heart still tells me Lidge will be fine though.

    Playoff Rotation
    1. Hamels
    2. Lee
    3. Blanton
    4. Happ

    I can’t stop smiling today.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    that’s “9 to 10 right handed bats at there disposal”

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    Myers strangly enough may play a huge role for this team if they make the playoffs. The Phillies need RH relievers following their LH starters and Myers would fill that role very well. You put Myers/Park/Pedro/Condrey/Durbin as possible RH in the pen and the Phils have alot of options.

    I’d still like to see a RH infielder added to replace Brunlett.

     
  • Posts: 0 ChaseUtleyMVP

    the Tribe got had for sure.

    Knapp, is only 18 and ALREADY has shoulder fatigue.
    Marson isn’t that good.
    Donald isn’t a regular everyday guy…many scouts have said so.
    and Carassco was suppossed to be the next Cole Hamels… 6 years ago when they signed him…

    I’m very curious what happens with the rotation. 4 lefites seems way too much. But Pedro ain’t going to the pen..no way.

    But you can’t mover Moyer there..and would they really move Haap back in the pen after his solid starts and the fuss about not trading him?

    I guess this is a problem I like to have.

    Lopez will be a welcome to the pen also

     
  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Though I preferred Doc to Lee I have no complaints with this deal. I would much rather the Phils get Lee than the Red Sox, Yanks or Dodgers. The Phils lineup would be in trouble if we have to face Lee/Lester 2-3 times in a series vs Red Sox or Lee/CC 2-3 times vs Yanks or poss Lee/Kershaw 2-3xs vs Dodgers.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gavin

    Knapp will be a stud, but its a good deal. Carrasco will be a major league starter, but I dont think he’ll be a frontline guy. Marson and Donald could be fine players. The Indians got quality back, just not our top 3 guys.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Dave: I was thinking about that too (putting Blanton in the 2nd spot in the rotation)… It’s not a bad idea if you consider the similarities between Hamels and Lee that are being described here by some fans. I guess it will all depend on how well Hamels, Lee, and Blanton perform the rest of the season. If Blanton continues to shine (and ends up shining more than one of Hamels and Lee) then why not?

    However, my gut reaction is that Hamels should go 1st (because of last year’s success), and Lee 2nd (because he’s freaking Cliff Lee and it’d be hard to make a case for the current Cy Young winner to pitch 3rd, especially in a best-of-five short series)… plus, you might want to avoid putting pressure on Lee since he hasn’t been to the playoffs yet!

     
  • Posts: 0 ChaseUtleyMVP

    the Phils went from having to get another top starter..

    to having too many pitchers…which is never bad.

    You don’t need to make a trade for a righty infielder off the bench….just drop Bruntlett to AAA and call up Cairo…

    another solid bullpen arm is next.

     
  • Posts: 0 Richie Allen

    Was Lee a hard luck pitcher this year for Cleveland?
    Looks like his ERA was ok but his win-loss record is off.Was it the team?
    Has any body been following this guy this year?I dont know much about him.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Dave- i don’t…i thought the same thing.
    Gavin- look at his PITCHES….Halladay PITCHES are what makes him great….deadliest sinkerballer (90-92mph) knock on sinkerballers in general they are too depended on them and don’t have enough back up if the ball up in the zone or the ball breaks to early and too much-walks or moon shots….No problem…cause he’s got the nasty cutter for righties and if you lefty he’ll just buckle your knees with a curve and of course theres a mean change-up. You can’t out guess him…that’s why he’s the best

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    C’mon guys don’t ask for more now (bullpen or bench)… It’s like a fat chick asking for dessert after eating 5 Big Macs

     
  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    j reed:

    You’re overreacting, Lee is the reigning AL Cy Young. If we get in a series with the Red Sox, our plan is to plain outscore them. Remember, No DH in our park.

    Our pen is fully stocked, plus even if there were a slew of injuries, we have guys in AA/AAA who could step up to the plate. We don’t need to spend there.

    Johnny Snowden:

    Unload Happ for a Bench Infielder? That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve read today. He’s a ROY candidate.

    Honestly I think our offense is better or even at pretty much every position except third and Catcher than the Red Sox.

    1B: Howard and Youkilis are a push, Youkilis is a great on base guy, Howard has more power
    2B: Utley way better than Pedroia
    SS: Rollins way way better than Jed Lowrie
    3B: Lowell better than Feliz, but not dramatically
    CF: Victorino better than Ellsbury
    RF: Werth over Drew
    LF: Ibanez over Bay
    C: Varitek over Ruiz

    I don’t think any of these are really debatable. Honestly I’d rather have Stairs at DH than Big Steroid.

     
  • Posts: 0 Gary

    I get the feeling that the Indians were asking for Carrasco, Donald, and Marson last year for Sabbathia, so they were still really high on them this year as well

     
  • Posts: 0 shag beta sigma delta

    good trade, but I think especially with Charlie, Cole will still be number one especially in the playoffs. Did anyone watch the game last night. Your rotation
    Hamels
    Lee
    Blanton
    Happ
    Moyer

     
  • Posts: 0 Kennedy

    Yea, at this point RAJ can just sit back and relax, other than trying to make a deal to move Lopez for a prospect. This team is freaking stacked, we’re the best offensive team in baseball, and probably have the best rotation to.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    without a doubt we still have enough talent to still get a deal done for Halladay, but is their asking price too high? I am very pleased with this deal, but maybe much like many others have said “JP is now SCRAMBLING”. Never know the asking price may be low enough to get him to, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Great move.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    The Tribe are slowly assembling a lot of talent throughout their roster through trading veterans, not a bad deal at all for them but when you hear JP Riccardi everyday of course your going to feel like you’ve been had as an Indians fan.

    Assists have to go to Mike Arbuckle and Steve Noworyta for drafting/signing and developing so much talent. Amazing that the Phils can trade away 4 of its most visible minor leagues and still be stocked.

     
 
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