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Done Deal: Phillies Acquire Lee

Posted by Amanda Orr, Wed, July 29, 2009 01:58 PM | Comments: 184
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Fox Sports reports that the Cleveland Indians and Philadelphia Phillies have agreed to a deal that sends Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco to the Phillies for Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald and Lou Marson. Both team still have to examine medical records before the deal is official.

Francisco is the right-handed bat that the Phillies have been looking for. Francisco is batting .250 with 10 homers and 33 RBIs. Lee is 7-9 with a 3.14 ERA and 1.30 WHIP. He is the reigning American League Cy Young winner.

OPINION: This is a great deal for the Phillies. They keep Kyle Drabek, J.A Happ, Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown, their top prospects. Knapp has a lot of potential, but Marson and Donald were being blocked anyway, and Carlos Carrasco has been falling off the radar. Not only do they get a former Cy Young winner, but a bat off the bench.

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  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Stop with the Halladay stuff. I wanted him to but it’s over. Lee has given up more than 4 runs twice in 22 games. He’s only given up more than 3 runs in 4 games. Does anyone realize how awesome that is in the AL with the DH? Lee is 12-2 vs NK teams. Throw in that we got a perfect 4th OF and kept our best prospects. Keep in mind there was a very good chance Lee landed in LA. No chance Halladay lands there.

    Here’s the shocker. Jayson Starks says it will eventually be Happ in the pen when Martinez becomes our 5th starter.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I really do think there’s a possibility they bring up Pedro as a starter, if only on the off-chance they can use him as the 4th starter in the playoffs against a team with a righty-heavy lineup.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    On Knapp. He’s 18 and is 6’4″ 240 lbs and throws 97-98. A lot of experts project him to break 100 when he matures. The Indians like dhis upside more than Drabek so we did give up a heck of a chip.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ben

    what if rube meets up with jp and packages lee and some others (not top 25 guys) to toronto. jays get salary relief and jp saves face, we get halladay.

    i know it would never happen, but would be cool.

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    I didn’t think Riccardi’s position would be as hot as some make out until I read earlier the Jays now intend to keep Halladay and try to win with him next year…

    Well with him wanting out, the Rays a step ahead and the Orioles looking to overtake the Jays leaving them at the bottom of the AL east, JP is joining Minaya in looking like he’s talking himself out of a job. Doesn’t seem like a good move to use the word ‘winning’ when your trending downwards at a time your competitors are doing the opposite… Silly pseudo-Beane

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    re: eskin

    Just dont turn him on then he has no power. He is truly irrelevant. I have never really listenedto him. Was he upset when the phillies and the old man won it all? I mean they clearly both suck. Right Howard Douchebag.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    I love this trade :D

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    re: Happ in the pen
    DO NOT WANT
    Honestly, what does the kid have to do get a break? We’d be mad if we put the SP who’s been pitching the best for us as the mop-up guy in the bullpen.
    It should be Moyer who gets a break while they figure out just how much Pedro has left. Is it fair? Not really, as he’s been pretty good lately. But that’s life, and it’s more fair than ROY candidate J.A. Happ going to the bullpen.
    Make Moyer scarce (phantom DL listing, maybe keep him in the pen instead of Steve Register) and then if Martinez stinks or Happ starts to come back to earth, bring him back.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Its funny to me people talk of trading Rodrigo Lopez. god bless him but you cant get anything back for him.

    Never before has so much been made over a 7-9 pitcher LOL
    Thats a joke

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Stop being silly.
    Id not want Halladay now for anyone. We are set. Possibly favorites to win another series. Certainly favorites to win the NL. And our farm system is still good.
    If there was another trade with 3 prospects I would not be happy. Including Halladay

     
  • Posts: 0 Dude Needs Money

    Any chance this deal get squashed during the physicals, with Knapp and Donald recently sidelined?

     
  • Posts: 0 NJ

    No way the deal doesn’t go through, Knapp was only on the 7 day minor league DL and Donald’s back.

    Don’t be too unhappy if Happ goes back to the pen, he’ll be used a lot and he was great there earlier in the year. I’d expect Pedro to go to the pen though the Phils might feel really good about getting 6 strong innings from Pedro and Moyer with a stronger bullpen with Happ there. Hope they’ll give the kid a chance though.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    how can you say the tribe got had? that will be determined in 5 years. what if Knapp wins 400 games and lee sucks?

    I like the trade. i thnk the Indians did well also though. I think Jp Retardo in Toronto has less job security than Omar Minaya with the mess.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Happ to the pen?
    Are you guys nuts? he gets rocked 3 times and maybe. Not 1 or 2 times but 3 in a row then we discuss him to pen. If not for Happ I bet we arent in first right now.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    manny-it doesn’t matter who goes first. they are literally aside from one pitch, the same..same height, weight, build…I think this profoundly short-sighted not for a team’s season but for the World Series…the top AL dogs are too saavy not to take advantage of this. Oh also, scouting reports say he stuggles against right handed batters who go yard on him…great another fly ball pitcher for CBP when yopu could have the best groundball pitcher in the game. And because no wants to see Drabek go…he 6’0 RH with some heat and a good curve …did it ever occur to people that his number 1 status is relative to the others in the pool of prospects, he just might be the best among alot mediocre guys. And remember there a pretty big business surrounding the evaluation of prospects..Over hyping prospects sells more of those Baseball Prospectus rags. And I love sabrmetrics but its not like the scientific community who will test and retest and have well established standards and methodoliogies for evaluating their findings. So, i am not so inclined to buy into the rankings.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob Kahn

    A good deal. Good luck to Marsona and Donald, we may be hearing from them. As for the pitchers, one never knows. I am fascinated with what we are going to do with Pedro. We have only two weaknesses now, utility IF (who just happened to score the winning run of the WS!), and the closer. We are locked with the closer (two more years of contract, so we have to make it work.)

    Just hope that Carrasco bombs and not Drabek!

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    For those of you (NJ and others) who balked at the asking price for Halladay, you were right.

    This is a real good trade for the Phils who keep their future intact by not trading their top 3 prospects and acquire a top-10 pitcher and a right bench bat.

    I’d rather have Lee, Drabek, Brown and Happ then Halladay, Carrasco, Donald, Knapp and Marson.

     
  • Posts: 0 nate

    hope lee starts sat against lincecum, cause that would put him in line for a friday start at home….. which i’m going to. that would be awesome if he made his first start on wall-of-fame HK night.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Well…As for Lee instead of Halladay, and I don’t know if this point was made, but you couldn’t wait around until Friday waiting for the Jays to enter reality. If they did, Lee could have gone to another team, and the Phils would have gone to happy hour on Friday with no one. They almost had no choice. But its a good deal. As for who goes to the pen, it will be J.A. He’s done it before and he was good at it. Kinda of a shame, but there’s no such thing as a six man rotation. And how bout that outfielder we got. Oh so clutch. Ruben did a great job.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    For people who say that K-Law hates the Phils:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=law_keith

    Basically, he LOVES the deal for the Phils

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    I guarentee Happ doesnt goto the pen. the phils have a comfortable lead why not go with a 6 man rotation. Especially with cole if he missed 2 or 3 starts and was ready for the playoffs id be happy.
    Playoffs we know 3 starters. Lee hamils blanton

    Let pedro and happ fight for the 4th spot.

    Why would you not make the halladay trade to keep happ then move him to the pen? Pedro to me could be the closer.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I will be the first to admit I was tough on Ruben. I wanted Halladay so bad. I listened to the 610 guys on the way home from the beach. They are saying the Phillies made a mistake. I say they are wrong. This is a solid deal. We stole Lee away. He will be a great arm for us. Does Halladay make us a world series winner, you cant say yes. There are no guarentees in this game of baseball. We are solid now. Think of this Philly fans, Next year, Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Happ, Drabek…I like it. Great job Rueben for sticking to your guns. I applaud you.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Happ’s going to the pen.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 DeeMarie

    I agree with what a lot of you are saying… There are just too many now, and I don’t think this is going to be the end of the trading. My only concern with this other-wise genious trade, is who do we have to catch if (or when…) Ruiz or Bako gets hurt?

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    There’s time to worry about Happ to the Pen. It’s totally contingent on Martinez being a quality starter. If MArtinez cant hack it Happ stays a starter. Lopez is the odd man out in this whole equation.

    JP RIccardi can have Lopez for Scutaro, LMAO!

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Happ is not going to the pen. You guys were like he is the best thing since sliced bread, by putting him in a trade for Halladay. They are not putting a 7-1 pitcher in the pen. Martinez will go to the pen. Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Happ, Moyer….

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Jeff, maybe, but it will depend on how MArtinez looks. If Martinez returns to form I think he gets the slot because he’s not a bull pen pitcher. Happ has showed he can be very effective in the Pen. We aren’t winning anything with the way Madson and Lidge are pitching.

     
  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    I can’t understand how any Phillie fan doesn’t love this trade!!???

    The Phils didn’t sacrifice their future and still got an ace.

    Also, Francisco is the perfect fit for this team.

    Anyone who doesn’t like what the Phillies just did doesn’t know anything about baseball.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    you guys are seriously nuts if you think Happ goes to the pen. First you wanted him to start over Park. You went nuts in the first half. Now he comes out and shines. Then he looks to be in a trade for the best and you say no way. We want Happ to stay. Now we keep him and you want to stick him in the pen. Are you crazy. He is 7-1 for a reason right? Martinez will never build arm strength to go 6 or 7. He is the odd man out here. No way charlie touches Happ.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    If Martinez can’t hack it then Happ doesn’t move. The Phils knew they were going after a starter. DO you think they picked up MArtinez to be a relief pitcher?

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    Face it, Moyer is staying a starter. If Happ goes to the pen, is it really a bad thing? It gives us another solid arm in the BP to keep us in games because sadly Madson and Lidge really are not doing this season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    Chances are Happ wont go to the pen, but I dont see how it would be a bad thing if he does. Before this happened, Lopez was still in the rotation. Lopez will be moved before Happ.

     
  • [...] Phillies Nation’s Amanda Orr adds these comments on the deal: Francisco is the right-handed bat that the Phillies have been looking for. Francisco is batting .250 with 10 homers and 33 RBIs… [...]

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    the guys on the radio also thought that Blanton was a terrible move.. and that Raul Ibanez was a bad signing..

    so the fact that they think this is a bad move too, almost proves that its the best Phillies trade of all time

     
  • Posts: 0 LH

    Toronto’s mea culpa. I’m thinking our new GM is one smart cookie. The World Series Champs have taken one giant foot forward towards a better time in the 2009 playoffs. Hopefully, Myers comes back to the pen in good shape to be a closer. Maybe they’ll snag a right-handed utility bench player to replace Brunlett with Lopez. Amaro saves our present and future! I’m walking on air.

     
  • Posts: 0 LH

    I agree Don. I wish we had decent baseball sportcasters on the radio. NY is lucky to have 660.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Kennedy: I never said we couldn’t win….Halladay gives us a better chance and has more versitility. Lee’s a fantastic pitcher though not the horse that Hallady is….his 2008 ERA over the season is stable but prior to this there were signficant spikes down the stretch…So hopefully this is sign of improvement. My main concern is at a glance mind you, is his stats. in hitters park have been consistently dreadful . Measured out i think its a good deal esp. with this Francisco guy, but not what i hoped for. I think we can get to the dance, no problem….winning difficult esp. since i don’t think anyone in the organization has the technical acumen to fix Lidge. [i think he tips, can't prove it just process of elimination]. So we’ll see…I think Lee if he doesn’t tucker out, he will waltz through most NL teams. With Lee, I think we’ll have to out slug the comp. to with it all. With Halladay, not so much

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    that’s “to win it all.”

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Hey Jeff. Who gives a damn what everybody thought at the beginning of the season about Happ? The rotation is gonna be Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Martinez, Moyer. Get over it. Reasons being, in ascending order of importance:

    1) It balances out the rotation;
    2) Neither Martinez or Moyer, to my knowledge, has ever pitched in relief;
    3) Three lefties in the pen is great;
    4) AND HAPP CAN DO IT.

    If Martinez screws up, Myers will get a shot. If they both screw up, Happ comes back.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Thunder Lips

    Lee is the best addition to the Phils since Ron Gant, Danny Tartabull, Rico Brogna, and Travis Lee!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Barney

    Dipsy, I dont agree with you. Happ has been, statistically, the ace since hes been moved as a starter. Moving him tot he pen would not be a good decision at all. I think if we put Pedro in the pen, for the time being at least, would be the best thing to do. if we have four lefties in the rotation so be it. Happ has been too good as a starter to move him into the bullpen and pedro is still somewhat unproven after his long layoff. Honestly, as much as i love Jamie, if pedro was pitching well in the pen or minors or where ever, I would say have Pedro take his spot. After typing that sentence, I hesitated for a good minute. It really is a hard decision to make of who to start, but this is the first time in so long that we have had this problem, which is as big of a problem as having too much beer. All I am saying is yeah while Jamie wouldnt be great in the pen, Happ has just been too good and I would really hate to see him taken from the rotation with how much he has provided in the past 2 months or so.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    We have time to worry about Pedro or Happ to the Pen because Pedro won’t be ready for at least 3 or 4 more rehab stints(IMO). anything quicker than that is rushing it.

    I can never seem to get an answer to this question. What is Bestardo’s injury status?

     
  • Posts: 0 JoeFan

    After the decision of who are 5 starters are during the season, and who our 4 playoff starters are is made, then the other decision is who will be left of the playoff roster. I’m guessing we keep 12 pitchers/13 position players. I believe if everyone’s healthy we have 15 pitchers – or three too many. The 15 pitchers: Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Happ, Moyer, Martinez, Myers, Lidge, Madson, Eyre, Coundry, Park, Lopez, Romero, Durbin. My guess is if everyone is healthy the three left off would be Lopez, Durbin, and Moyer.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    LOL
    Wont trade happ for halladay but put him in the bullpen now?

    0% chance of happening so its kind of dumb to discuss it.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Andrew, might just be hot air, but Jayson Starks said Happ to the Pen according to his sources familiar with the Phillies. Right or wrong the Phils did not pick him up to be a relief pitcher.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Andrew, might just be hot air, but Jayson Starks said Happ to the Pen according to his sources familiar with the Phillies. Right or wrong the Phils did not pick up Martinez to be a relief pitcher.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Dipsy i enjoy reading your comments.
    Lets wait and see.
    I predict we go with a 6 man rotation which makes sense since we arent in a real playoff fight. Or pedro to the pen. He has the stuff to be an 8th or 9th inning relief pitcher.

    Happ will start untill he messes up. If they took him out of the rotation now the media/fans would crucify them if anything bad ever happened.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    As an aside the Pirates have actually just made two straight pretty good deals. they just picked up the Giants 4th best prospect Tim Alderson.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Your kidding me I will believe it when i see it.
    If you arent even goign to use him why not jsut throw him in the Halladay deal. makes no sense

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Dipsy- you seem pretty saavy in regards to negoiations and knowledge about the fiancial side of baseball’s inner workings. What do you think will happen next with Halladay? Do you think Rueben played his cards too early and these other clubs where waiting for something like this to go down esp. now that we’re out of the picture and no longer can out bid the competition?

     
 
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