Comments on: Gameday: Phillies (48-38) At Marlins (46-44)

By: Georgie

Georgie — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:04:06 +0000

Thanks for the clarification Matt, I guess since I don’t drink beer, I haven’t had the pleasure of experiencing either of those games, and I can say with 100% certainty, I never will unless I’m in the mood for projectile vomiting.

By: TODDFROMFAIRMOUNT

TODDFROMFAIRMOUNT — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:04:38 +0000

DRINKABILITY!!!!

By: Matt

Matt — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:10:48 +0000

I can’t believe so many people don’t know what beer pong is. You have a table set up with 10 cups set up like bowling pins at each end, each filled with an inch or two of beer. You have a team of 2 people at each end, and you take turns shooting a ping pong ball in to the other teams cups. You make it, they drink it. First team to knock out all of the other teams cups wins. It’s also called Beirut. A beer BONG is a funnel with a hose on it that you pour a beer in to, then suck it all straight down through the hose in a few gulps.

By: Grrrumpy Miner

Grrrumpy Miner — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:29:46 +0000

Beer PONG? Sorry pal,YOU are CUT OFF!

By: Grrrumpy Miner

Grrrumpy Miner — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:29:00 +0000

Bruce….the same can be said for Eli amongst the drivel that call themselves “Mets fans” and cower and disappear when the going gets rough as well and also Andrew…I take it you don’t like the Mets,DO YOU?However if it is not the season for the Mets…my hope is they come back from injuries and play the spoiler role and attempt to retool their team for 2010 because the team this year has a lot of flaws (with or without injuries) and it shows,also many millions of dollars worth of contracts will be gone after the last game including Delgado,Wagner,Putz to name a certain few.And FINALLY,we all know the Mets will not be dead last,THAT belongs to the Nationals. LETS GO METS!

By: Havoc

Havoc — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:44:36 +0000

I think Geoff is actually Moyer’s greatest fan. Maybe all this stuff is him putting the reverse whammy on Moyer… That must be it. So now we can know whenever he complaigns about 7 innings of 1 hit ball that he’s just doing his part…

However, before we all go crazy here let’s have Jamie get one or two other good starts against non Marlin teams. Maybe then we can talk about turning the corner.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:33:19 +0000

My point is simply this. In organized athletics. when yuo get down to the bottom of it. the only stat that matters at all is wins.
You play to win the game.

By: Georgie

Georgie — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:24:02 +0000

Oh, it’s beer PONG, I thought it was beer BONG, boy am I confused.

Just got back from the Reading Phils game, lost 5-2, Flande looked pretty bad, bats weren’t on fire either, but, hey, they have lots of mascots and there’s ALWAYS something going on between innings, and the little kid behind me kept whacking me on the head-woo hooooo!!!

By: Bruce

Bruce — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:11:44 +0000

To Grrrumpy Miner who asked..”Where are the cynics who was crying thay Moyer is “Washed Up”.

They are hiding under a rock. (laughing)

By: j reed

j reed — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:36:23 +0000

Anyone know how players’ numbers are decided outside of the traditional system where their number reflected their position in the line-up?

By: j reed

j reed — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:24:18 +0000

Andrew – if there was a stat. more irrelevant than W-L for pitchers is the W-L for goalies. The speed of the game, the playing surface and that its a contact sport mean a statisically relevant number of goals are scored by happenstance for which a goalie isn’t necessarily responsibile. You can’t just measure outcomes without acknowledging the variables behind them and in hockey, the games fluidity makes this difficult.

By: Doug

Doug — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 03:01:40 +0000

Little Tidbit on tonight’s game Pete MacKanian phils bench coach had a new number jersey 22, he had been 45 all season but with pedro’s arrival he gave it up. Not sure if it had been mentioned in here or not.

By: Ed R.

Ed R. — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:53:06 +0000

NJ no offense taken at all. I have rather enjoyed our discussion. I think you and I are pretty much using different avenues to exemplify the same point. Either way I respect your way of going about this rather than many who get so hot headed that someone dare challenge their way of thinking and thus resort to name calling and various forms of belittling.

All in all, solid win for the Phillies tonight.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:47:06 +0000

Chase utley is a baseball player. H happens to have good stats but I would want to goto war with him no metter. I guess Carlos Ruiz is the poster boy for this. His stats suck but hes a winner and does everything not in the stat book very well. The phillies have a group of winners. Emjoy them while you can. I believe Chase is the best player in the game. You never have to worry abotu him making a mistake or doing anything wrong. He is simply the best. Pujos may have better stats but Chase is the best. He is the MVP sorry Raoul

By: NJ

NJ — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:42:42 +0000

My only grouse with the hardcore stat-heads is that a lot of people tend to put its importance before what’s going on in the game. At the end of the day all that’s important is what gets you into October, throw out what’s come before go straight to the stats to make sure of things from there sure. If the Yanks can’t pick up enough games elsewhere to off-set their losses to the Red Sox chances are there’s a great problem (like their struggles against the AL West teams). I’ve used Moyer as an example because I believe his 9 wins help to show he’s not been as bad this year as the prominent stats like his ERA and WHIP suggest, I’m not advocating his 9 wins mean he’s been as good as say Matt Cain with his 10, but I believe if he was pitching as badly as some people say he has whilst screaming about his ERA then he’d only have a couple of wins. If Moyer wins 15 games then I think it’s a benchmark to show he has served some value to the team, the rest of the stats back-up the fact he hasn’t been great, probably hasn’t been that good but better than the worst pitcher in baseball tag.

(Ed if it seems like this has been a rant against you that isn’t my intention, I just genuinely feel we sometimes get lost in the rigid use of stats and stop appreciating what the games about)

By: Andrew

Andrew — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:40:00 +0000

Wins are the core of the game. You play to win the game.
Yes a guy who is 16-13 with a 1.12 era gets my vote for cy young over a guy who is 21-6 with a 5 ERA.
But I will take the wins for my team. At the root of any sport the most important stat is wins. Is wins the most important stat for any team? You are what your record says you are. I love using the old coaching quotes. But you get what i mean. the team with the best stats usually doesnt win? But whats the most important stat? you could argue that wins is the only stat that does matter. Is a guy who wins 30 games with a 9 ERA the best? I will take him and his 30 wins. He is the best to me.

By: j reed

j reed — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:38:02 +0000

ed r.- ball parks of different dimensions are problematic but baseball is still considered the most statisically relevant sport because the nature of its play is more measurable than any other team sport. It really boils down to batter vs. pitcher. For example, take a sport where the game structure is more organic like hockey….you have 2 goalies and 10 non-goalies….that’s 12 variables at any given time, 10 of which are moving 30 mph on ice. Its a statistican’s worst nightmare. Also sabremetrics has at least for pitchers developed a stat like “adjusted ERA” that factors in a ball parks.

By: Ed R.

Ed R. — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:37:38 +0000

Well that is a discussion for a whole other night.

By: rob5000

rob5000 — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:34:20 +0000

Too bad all of those stats are negated due to roid usage

By: Ed R.

Ed R. — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:32:25 +0000

Sorry Andrew but I have to disagree with you. Wins are absolutely not the most important stat when it comes to pitchers. It might not even be in the top 3. Again I will use the example of Roger Clemens in 2005. He had 13 wins, there were 36 pitchers in the NL and AL with more wins than him but yet he lead all of baseball in ERA. Does that mean that all 36 of those pitchers were better than Clemens in 2005? No it does not. Were some of them better than Clemens? Possibly. But to say that wins is the most important stat for pitchers is just completely wrong.