Halladay or Prospects: Take Your Pick
Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, July 14, 2009 09:30 AM | Comments: 151
Analysis, News, Opinion, Posts, Prospecting
Many a general manager has been fired in this league over the term “potential.” For every Cole Hamels, there is a Pat Combs; for every Chase Utley, a Steve Jeltz.
The Phillies find themselves peering at two scenarios; one is now, one is later.
Roy Halladay is the hottest name in the baseball world right now, not only because he is available, but also because his willingness to play for a contender makes him an ideal match for this club. Halladay fits the “now” because of his lengthy positive track record and his position as perhaps the best pitcher in baseball. You can win now with Roy Halladay.
J.A. Happ, Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, and others represent the “later.” Besides Happ, none of these players can help toward back-to-back titles. Drabek was on display at the MLB Futures Game in St. Louis yesterday, and he did not disappoint. One baseball official told Todd Zolecki of MLB.com that Drabek was “the best pitcher he watched” in the talent show. Taylor has been spectacular, exhilarating the organization with his five tools. Realistically, many of these players are a few years away from producing.
If Halladay is indeed available for a price that is manageable, the Phillies can mortgage part of the future and pray to the baseball gods that they get another championship in the next year and a half. If they do not win, Halladay will hit the open market, most likely, and that window will be closed. On top of that, they will have lost four or five prime pieces that could have made their mark in Philly down the road.
If the Phillies decide to stand pat, keeping a firm hand on their prized farm system, then they must go with what they have. Let’s not forget, the Phils won it all with a team comprised with many of the same parts they have this year. Again, though, they must pray to the Gods that a championship or two is won a few years down the line. At the same time, they certainly believe this squad is more than capable of winning.
The baseball purist in me wants to see the Phillies hold on to the kids. The part of me that searches for quick production wants Doc. Neither choice is right or wrong, but the outcome could decide how the 2009 Phillies fare.
Halladay coming to Philadelphia may very well be a pipe dream. The more likely decision will be to keep the minor leagues intact and concentrate on preserving a team that can win. It will also save a franchise known to be frugal a boatload of money. A source close to Randy Miller of the Bucks County Courier Times said that the Phillies are weary of adding more money to an already distended payroll. Halladay would cost the Phillies somewhere in the $5 million range for this season and $15.75 million next year.
My pick: If the trade does not involve Happ or Drabek and if the Blue Jays list is not six or seven players deep, then a deal should be made. It’s advantageous to keep young pitching that is under control for several years. The Phillies obviously realize this, which is one of the reasons why Drabek has been put on the untouchable list.
You can’t throw everything at the wolves. You need to hold on to some of that “potential.” Can that be achieved? Soon enough, we will find out.
UPDATE (2:12 pm): According to MLB.com, the Toronto Blue Jays will not allow potential suitors interested in Roy Halladay work out a contract extension before a trade is done.
Posts: 0 Don M
This is from the Toronto Sun sports:
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The second installment of summer book odds on the running of the first Roy Halladay sweepstakes leading to the July 31 trade deadline:
ANGELS 5-2
Infielder Brandon Wood, a pitching prospect like Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden. Will Halladay go to the coast? Former GM Bill Stoneman was not known for deadline deals but GM Tony Reagins, added Mark Teixeira at the deadline last year.
YANKEES 3-1
Yankees may be a third-place team, according to one scout who saw them in Anahiem. Yankees are looking at Ian Snell (Pirates). They need a starter. Yanks could move Phil Hughes, plus prospects.
CARDINALS 9-2
Secret weapon: Chris Carpenter can sell his pal Halladay on playing in St. Louis. Players usually rate St. Louis the best city to play in.
PHILLIES 4-1
Training in Clearwater means 10 weeks at the Halladay home in Oldsmar, Fla. Phils say they have prospects but talk is that the Jays don’t like them, or rather the ones they’ll move. The Jays like J.A. Happ, who has been better than Cole Hamels. Shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson have been mentioned.
Posted: 12:58 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
The most I could see the Phillies surrendering is one of those outfield prospects. Im no longer even going to acknowledge or entertain the idea of trading Happ or Drabek because its SO absurd. Youre creating a hole now or in the future by doing that when theyre trying to fill a hole – good thinking dumba$$es.
Posted: 12:59 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Bruce
Waiting word for Phillies front office’s announcement that Pedro Martinez has become a Phillie. When that happens, the starting rotation is completed..for better or worse. That’s reality my friends; no daydreaming on Halliday for me.
Posted: 01:02 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 SL
I think that if a deal floats by that doesnt involve Happ, they should go for it. I understand the hoopla surrounding Drabek, but I’m one of those people who thinks that we should believe it when we see it. Happ is the real deal, and theres no way we should trade him for a hired gun. Who knows if Carrasco, Drabek, or even Kendrick are gonna give us anything worthwhile in the future. If the Phillies don’t make the trade, I think they should still take the NL East, but forget about winning a championship with the very inconsistent pitching we have at all stages in the game.
Posted: 01:04 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
I don’t advocate trading Drabek, but if you get Halladay with an extension I don’t see the hole?
Posted: 01:05 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff
The Jays will not trade Halladay to a division team. They will not want to face him. The Phillies are a favorite. They will not trade him. If they do nobody will show to there games.
Posted: 01:10 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Bruce…theyll get someone else. Moyer is the odd man out. Theyre NOT going to sign Halladay to an extension. They need to keep their costs under control with so much money already committed to players. They dont have to get Halladay, but they do need to add another quality starting pitcher in there because Cole Hamels has been so abysmal this season. MOyer will go. Of all teh starters who have made all their starts this season, he is the very worst in all of baseball in terms of ERA.
Posted: 01:13 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Mike T.
You are all out of your minds. How many have you seen Kyle Drabek pitch this year? Seriously, how many? Stop falling in love with a 21 year old pitcher sporting a 2.75 in AA. I mean, come on. Kyle Kendrick had a 3.00 in AA, no one went crazy off of him.
You’d have to be completely delirious NOT wanting to trade any 4 or 5 minor league players, regardless of “tier”, for Roy Halladay.
Get out of here with this Drabek junk.
Posted: 01:14 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 rivlez
Mike T you are correct. First of all though, Halladay’s chances of being traded are ridiculously slim. It just won’t happen.
Posted: 01:19 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 T Mac
A few things to consider:
1. Including Happ in any trade for Halladay is unwise. Why? Because Happ has more playoff pitching experience than Halladay does, and is pitching just as well as him this year.
2. Remember CC Sabathia – Take a look at at his playoff stats – they’re horrendous. Halladay has never had to pitch in the playoffs, so it’s not guaranteed that he can pitch well under pressure.
3. Many writers have said that Drabek was the best pitcher they saw in the Futures Game – he’s probably ready to pitch in the majors now, and he’s a much better prospect than Floyd, or Duckworth, or Pat Combs ever were.
4. I’m all for getting Halladay, but only if we don’t give up Happ, Drabek, and only give up 1 of Brown/Taylor. This probably won’t be satisfactory to the Jays, but in that case, it’s better not to make any trade
Posted: 01:22 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Myers 12 million is off the books 2010 as is Eaton’s and Jenkins 15.5. That’s 27 million. I understand guys like Ibanez, Werth, etc get a bump but in 2010. Moyers 6.5 is gone in 2011. 2012 Ibanez’s 11 mil gone and replaced by Taylors 600K. An extension for Halladay is definately workable, IMO.
Posted: 01:23 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Miles
PSUJoe is correct here. If the Phils would do a sign and trade that would lock Halladay up until the end of 2014 or something then I would include Drabek or Happ. Hopefully by that time the Phils would have another ace in the making coming up the ranks.
Btw, any trade package containing Drabek and Happ is complete lunacy, as Geoff and others have suggested. The package that PSUJoe proposed to Don M earlier is the only way this deal gets done without and sign and trade, IMO. That package would not hurt the Phils.
Also, someone suggested earlier that the Phils better step or someone else in the NL will. Let them. The Cubs and Brewers did it last year with Harden and Sabathia and it got them to the playoffs and no further. In one game in Philly, Sabathia basically washed out all of the positives he had provided in the playoff run.
And for all of the Abreu and Schilling packages out there (which will salary dumps, Conlin calls the Abreu trade the “Great Gillick Giveaway”) there are the Victor Zambrano/Scott Kazmir deals or the Adam Jones and others/Eric Bedard deals. Sometimes the teams that dish out the prospects end up taking it up the tailpipe.
Posted: 01:27 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
When it comes to prospects your right on one thing Mike T. you don’t fall in love with the stats, you fall in love with the development and what people with genuine knowledge have to say about prospects. You don’t put all your resources behind a guy who’s not committed to winning with the team long-term.
If a deal was so easily possible and prospects long-term are considered to gleam such little return then when isn’t Halladay and Angel with all of their major league ready talent?
Posted: 01:27 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
You people never learn. You ALWYAS want your teams to give up all their best young players to go for it all at once with ONE GUY.
that does not work. if you can get him on OUR terms then you do it, otherwise no. the phillies won the world series because they saved their prospects over the years and built this team with them. Havent you all LEARNED ANYTHING from seeing the Flyers do this and FAIL time and time and time again. And they just did it again! Even though I like Pronger they just repeat the same pattern over and over again. Instead of rebuilding all teh way they got a good young core then tacked on a bunch of old overpaid veterans to saddle them with cap concerns for years.
but if you want to fall back into that pattern again by falling into Ricciardis trap, tehn go right ahead. EVERY YEAR you all say the same thing. GIVE IT ALL UP FOR THE BIG HYPED NAME OF THE DAY. do it do it now! aaaaaaaaaah. Well they didnt do that. They kept Howard, they kept Utley, they kept Hamels.
I learned from that. You all should too.
Posted: 01:28 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 rivlez
All the inside guys say how slim it is that he would even get traded but you guys are so funny talking about it like it’s going to happen. Phillies would be stupid to do this. This will hurt their farm system tremendously.
Posted: 01:30 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Mike T.
I’m all for sitting in section 103 four or five years down the road, watching my 27-30 Phillies play the Mets, wearing my “Back-to-Back-to-Back” t-shirt.
Posted: 01:30 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Miles
Again PSUJoe right on the money about team salary. You keep sayin it before I can bro! Haha…
Posted: 01:30 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Drabek threw something like 10 pitches total in the Futures Games..
and if I remeber correctly.. didn’t Carlos Carrasco and Jason Donald both look pretty good in that same game last year? yet our love affair with those two seems to have come back down to earth..
the whole thing with prospects, Drabek included, is that you have NO IDEA what they might become in the major leagues, facing the best possible competition… and like I said last week, if Kyle Drabek has half the career that Roy Halladay has, we would all be happy
too many people have Drabek penciled-in as next year’s Rookie of the Year, and as the 2011 Cy Young winner..
Posted: 01:30 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Brian
“JA Happ -or- Kyle Drabek
AND
Michael Taylor -or- Dominic Brown”
Agree. If i can give up one of the top pitchers & one of the top outfielders I do it.
Remember, Cleveland got one stud (LaPorta) who was on the Drabek/Taylor level + other stuff last year in the CC deal. And MIL gave that up to rent CC for 3 months. The phils would control Halladay for the rest of this year and next year
Posted: 01:33 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff of NoVa.
I know there are a lot of what have you done for me lately people on here and a lot of you need to make a move now cause we have horrible pitching crap.
But…… I say sign Martinez, see what we get, and go from there, if they can get Halladay without giving up Happ or Drabek and maybe Taylor or Brown then go for it.
I always felt strongly about the philosophy of grow arms and sign bats. Well the Phillies are just now starting to grow arms, and 3 of our starters last year were grown. This year we are back at 3 again as well. Signing Pedro is a win/win, low risk high reward kinda deal. If we need someone later then we bring up Drabek or Carrasco.
We have grown both bats and arms which is a sign of a championship organization, not sending away the next tier of homebodies also a good sign. Remember the Von Hayes trade!
Everyone forgets that Hallday has already visited the DL once this year. How stupid will everyone feel if he comes here and visits it again and we have no Drabek or Happ to put back in that spot.
BTW if I was Halladay I would not want to pitch here either. Ballpark is not friendly, the fans passionate, but many have very little patience for any mistakes let alone 1, which we all do.
Verdit: Keep prospects go get Pedro and reevaluate in a start or 2
Posted: 01:37 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Roy Halladay has never pitched in a high pressure, big market like this. Dont forget that.
Posted: 01:40 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Brian
How soon people forget how hard it is to get all of the pieces in place. I have news for you, we still have most of the pieces in place. Adding Halladay would immediately make the Phillies the favorite in the NL.
Sure, Drabek & Taylor *might* be stars in the future…but they’re not going to be major contributors realistically for 2 or 3 seasons.
A good portion of the core is already 29+ years old…the window to win more championship(s) in now!
Howard (29)
Utley (30)
Rollins (30)
Ibanez (37)
Werth (30)
Lidge (32)
Posted: 01:41 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 The Little Guy
The Phillies have to be careful of the prospects they give up, most of the time the prospects pay for of a dividend than the actual “star” in the trade.
I heard this on DNL last week, via David Murphy…
Back in 02, the Indians traded Bartolo Colon to the Montrael Expos mid-season. In return, the Indians received Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee.
Colon finished 10-4 with the Expos and his 02 totals were 20-8 with 2.93 ERA, but you be the judge on who got the better end of the trade, i vote Indians all day.
Posted: 01:43 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
Put simply have we fans not learnt from all those teams who’ve tried to ensure success by buying big? All those teams were supposedly one player away from a championship and the only recent ‘dynasty’ was one built by homegrown talent reinforcing a veteran roster.
It’s unlikely Drabek will be the 2011 Cy Young winner but successful teams develop their own players and ensure their long-term ability to mount a challenge by enforcing their team with homegrown talent and ensuring they can re-sign their veterans and add marquee free agents because of the payroll flexibility that comes with having lots of young controllable talent.
If Halladay was truely worth giving away more than a fair share of prospects everyone and their grandmothers would have pulled off off the deal last week.
Posted: 01:44 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Good to see we’re on the same page, Don. Geoff, I thought for sure we’d have the same opinion on this — guess not.
Posted: 01:45 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Brian
“I always felt strongly about the philosophy of grow arms and sign bats.”
@Jeff of NoVa.
I don’t disagree with that…but, we’re on the cusp of winning multiple championships. Those players aren’t going to contribute to that.
Here’s the ultimate test for me. Had we *not* won last year, would everyone still be wanting to hang on to prospects instead of getting Roy? Of course not, so why change now.
Posted: 01:46 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff of NoVa.
Brian I agree, but understand we are still one of the favorites right now without him. We lead the NL east, Our pitching outside of Hamels is been very consistent and some(Happ) have been down right nasty.
If Hamels gets it together, which I feel he will, we still need one more starter, whether that be Pedro or Halladay. I feel we can get him for less, since they really do not want to send him to their division or AL, so that leaves us and maybe the Dodgers?
Bottomline is if Toronto wants to do this now it is all about saving as much money as possible.
Posted: 01:46 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
This is the way I break it down in my own addled brain:
1. If Ruben feels that Roy Halladay can guarantee him a chance at another WS title, then you should try and make the deal. I think that if Ruben were honest with himself he would tell you that Hamels, Blanton, Happ doesn’t get him there whereas Halladay, Hamels, and Blanton does. Then the question becomes…..
2. At what price? If the Phils made the trade would they get gouged? Yup. But thats inherent in these types of deals. I think that if a deal is made and we can all say, while Halladay dons the pinstripes at his press conference, “damn, I didn’t wanna lose those guys” as opposed to “Good god, we’ve just bankrupted our farm system”, then we should feel good about the deal.
Aside #1 Randy Miller’s assertion that the Phillies don’t wanna take on Halladay’s contract, quite frankly, insults my intelligence.
Aside #2 I think that there’s every chance in the world that Roy has told the Jays that he wants outta there. And now. I have NO empirical data to back up this statement.
Thje Dipsy
Posted: 01:47 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 The Little Guy
Everyone stop with the “ballpark isn’t friendly” crap.
Do you really think the best pitcher in the AL, who pitches against the Red Sox, Yanks, and Rays is really worried about what everyone wants to call the Park?
Good pitchers can pitch anywhere, i said it before, Halladay can pitch in Williamsport and still throw a complete game shut-out.
Posted: 01:47 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
none of our prospects have ever pitched in a big market high pressure situation either..
I don’t think anyone is saying “Give up the farm for Halladay”
pretty much everyone is on the same page, realizing that it costs a few (not ALL) of your Top Prospects.. to trade for a TOP PLAYER..
if they say they want every single player we want to keep, obviously no deal gets made.. but if they name a few reasonable players.. maybe, just maybe a deal can be made.
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If I was Roy Halladay, I could care less which park I went to, as long as I was playing in meaningful games in August, September, October, and November. I think he would accept a trade here with no problem
Posted: 01:48 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck P
I would rather keep Drabek (if it came down to him and Happ)… I know that Happ hasn’t lost a game and has looked great but I don’t expect him to be this consistent… in fact, I expect him to go through a funk. Do you really think that a pitcher who is still in his developmental phase can continue to hit spots and get the key outs the way that he has?
Posted: 01:48 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Maverick
Mike T…. we are on the same page here!
I’m glad someone on this site gets it…
Posted: 01:48 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
Maverick you do get it! You, Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban get it!
Posted: 01:52 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
LOL Miles.
I have to disagree with the talking heads that there is no pressure on the Jays. They opened pandora’s box when they said they’d field offers. if they don’t deal at the deadline it puts Halladay that much close to a huge Payday as an FA in 2011 which has Yankees written all over it.
Posted: 01:52 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 DeanH
Pat,
Great article that I agree with you completely. If the deal did not include Happ (what would we gain if we gave him up?) or Taylor, Drabek, Taylor or Brown, of course do it. Otherwise, I would not.
I suggested on another blog one up, Howard for Haliday? Then we could sign Haliday for a long term deal. Not sure I would do it but I would think of it.
Posted: 01:55 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Respectfully, NJ, NO not everybody would have made the deal. We are the one of maybe three teams, and actually maybe the only one, period, that are in the unique position of being very close to putting a hammerlock on the whole national league as well as putting ourselves in the position of beating the american league team AS WELL AS having the resources to make it happen. I am sure the Nationals could land Halladay if they really really wanted to. Love ya babe. Mean it.
The Dipsy
Posted: 01:58 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Miles
I still don’t know where I stand on this, but I do know I don’t like the terms “sure thing” and “no brainer”. In baseball those terms are synonymous with being short-sighted most of the time.
I don’t think that past big name deals not panning out means we should not do this. But I also believe that adding Halladay guarantees us nothing. Not even a division win. You can’t say “stop assuming Drabek is going to be an ace” and then suggest the Phils will win the Series with Halladay. They are both assumptions. That is why this is anything but a “no brainer.”
Posted: 01:58 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Happ is 26, I think… and has now been in the majors (and in all different pitching-roles) for a while now
I can’t see why Happ would hit a funk.. Do I expect him to win the Cy Young in his career, no. But I think we can expect a guy who battles, and has a sub 4 ERA …. will Drabek be that good?
But I see a guy who doesn’t back down from hitters, and doesn’t let balls, walks, hits, runs, etc.. effect him the way our Ace, Cole Hamels, does.. I think Happ goes out and does whatever job the coaches ask him to do
Posted: 02:00 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Anyone like Brian Bannister from the Royals? he’s gone 7+ in 4 of his last 6 starts with an era of 3.66? 1.20 GO/AO.
Posted: 02:01 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff of NoVa.
Yeah thats so true psujoe and you know Toronto has to be thinking that, get him out of the AL east and maybe he will like what he gets and sign long term there.
I think the Phillies can do this with out Drabek or Happ. but would be fine if we lost just one.
Toronto needs the following,
SS, C and Pitching
Donald, Marson, Carrasco, TBA, TBA
my feeling is we can do that without TBA being Drabek and Happ. We have a lot of good arms.
Posted: 02:02 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Keith
ugh, more Halladay drama
Posted: 02:04 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Also.. if a guarantee of winning the World Series this year and next.. means that we really suck from 2012 until 2020 … but no Halladay, no gaurantee means just take your chances every year..
then I’d rather take my chances.. like I said last year.. thinking your team has the chance to win every season makes the entire year a great thing..
nobody enjoyed watching the Phillies in the late ’90s and the early 2000′s..
but the Phillies know they need to keep the system as loaded as possible, while putting the best possible team on the field RIGHT NOW … which is why a GM is a much harder job than we think it is
Posted: 02:05 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Miles
Don M, Happ is a rookie. How can you say he’s been in the majors a while now? In fact, he has made less starts than Kendrick did during his 2007 campaign, and that didn’t turn out so well. Don’t get me wrong….Happ looks like a much better pitcher than Krazy K but we still cannot assume anything about his long term career.
Posted: 02:06 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck P
DeanH = nonsense. We’re talking about building for a championship not rebuilding. Just for giggles… who would play first if Howard wasn’t around?
Posted: 02:10 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Mike T.
Aside from Halladay, I would also like to see the Phillies go after someone like Ryan Spilborghs for a bench spot.
Posted: 02:10 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 LH
A Halladay trade would involve Happ because Tronoto is not going to give up a starting pitcher without a replacement plus a whole lot more. Happ is low cost and a high return, so keeping Happ is an easy decision, and therefore nixes the deal. I’m for holding my cards anyway because I like to see players groomed in our farm system like Utley, Howard, Burrell, etc. I’ve seen the organization fail in the past trading off our farm system and mortgaging for an unknown future.
Will Jamie win as many games as last year? He probably can come close with the robust offense enhanced by Raul. Last year Myers came back from the minors about now and pitched well for the rest of the season. The lost of Myers is the main reason for the Phillies seeking improvement in 2008. Will Lopez fill the Myer’s void, or can he win at least half of Myer’s 2008 wins? This is an unknown and lets roll the dice on half the wins. Phils brought up Pedro with the thought that he can pick up some these wins which I find difficult to swallow. I’m not a Pedro fan but I hope he proves me wrong. Let’s see how shrewd our management can be when making a deal this August for a pitcher who is on waivers who would best fill in half of Myer’s last year’s wins.
Posted: 02:11 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Craig
Remember folks the Yankees passed on Santana partly because they wanted to keep Phil Hughes.
Posted: 02:13 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Mazinman
Right now its a game of blinksmanship. People keep talking about other teams being in the running for Halladay but I don’t hear nearly the talk about them than I do the Phillies.
The Jays are betting that other teams will jump in and raise the price.
The Phillies are betting that there will be no huge offers from teams outside the Jays division which will lower the price.
Like it or not, if we want a chance to have Halladay AND keep the likes of Happ and Drabek we will need to be patient and let the market work the Jays into our favor.
Posted: 02:14 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Unless you’re inventing a word, and I can see the creativity, its “brinksmanship”.
The Dipsy
Posted: 02:17 PM on July 14, 2009
Posts: 0 Miles
Craig its way too early to judge Phil Hughes. Have you seen his stuff?! Since the Yanks moved him to the pen at the beginning of June his ERA is something like 1.09 and he has only given up runs (2) in one appearance out of 13 that he has made. And he just turned 23 two weeks ago. He still has tons of potential.
Posted: 02:21 PM on July 14, 2009