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This is getting embarrassing. So much for that team meeting.

I think now you can REALLY get worried. lead down to nothing basically. theyve rocked Jair before.

Hamels doesnt look the same. I think he is injured still or got re-injured. This team basically has to call Arizona and blow them away for Danny Haren.

Somethings gotta be done. Id pose this trade:

Dan Haren & Felipe Lopez for Jimmy Rollins, Shane Victorino, Joe Savery & Lou Marson. Thats a start – and yes it is that bad. Toss in Drew Carpenter or Kyle Kendrick.

I mean, thats the main guy Id go after and he probably isnt even available.

Jeff, you’re right. I never thought that I would see Hamels getting the Jeltz – at least not any time soon. Any pitcher’s gonna have a bad start; bad command and down-the-middle fastballs collaborate with each other to ruin unwitting pitchers. What worries me most is how the offense still remains in the wilderness. How long can this go on? Charlie knows the game and has been patient for a while. Really, though, when should the line be drawn? They really need that peppy, scrappy, hustling player to jumpstart the line-up. We saw them use the longball to come back and take the lead briefly last night. That doesn’t work every time, so we really need to see some different things from these guys.
It becomes a problem that this team’s “haven” – the road – is not being as kind to them. But just because a team has gotten this bad and come back from in the past doesn’t mean that the waiting game has to go on forever. It’s time that we see more urgency from the players and from the management. In the meantime, it might be a good idea for us fans to write the team itself and pose some suggestions. As ludicrous as it may sound, we do have a unique take on everything as third-party entities. We might as well tell the brass what we think.

Geoff, just curious, why would you give up Victorino over Werth and trade a promising pitching prospect like Joe Savery?

i keep vic.

all the other guys you listed im fine with

ive been over rollins for years..
his MVP year was a fluke
he hasnt done jack shit snce that and not that much great work before it.

this team sucks.

period

no elite pitcher is going to save them

they suck

they’re painful to watch lately

mg52-it’s not a bad idea…check this out. It’s about a blogger who used data from the MLB gameday pitch fx to write a letter to the Marnier’s pitching coach about ace Felix Hernadez. Here’s an excerpt from SLATE about it. Also I provided a link to the actual letter.
“The crowning achievement of the Gameday researchers and, I would argue, one of the greatest moments for nerdom since Ric Ocasek married Paulina Porizkova, occurred earlier this summer in Seattle. Dave Cameron, a writer for the U.S.S. Mariner blog, was trying to figure out why hitters were getting to M’s ace Felix Hernandez in the early innings. Cameron turned to Gameday’s database, which helped him figure out that King Felix’s problem is pitch selection: The dude throws too many fastballs. So, Cameron posted his findings in a beautifully argued open letter to the Mariners pitching coach. The coach printed out the post and handed it to Hernandez. Next time out, the pitcher laid off the fastball and threw eight innings of shutout ball. Bloggers around the world should tack up portraits of Cameron in their living rooms.”

http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/27/an-open-letter-to-rafael-chaves/

jeffs- on Bako, I agree well to the extent that catchers calling a game is an important part of the game, but with Hamels, he really only has two pitches. Other than calling locations i don’t know how much that could have affected Hamels pitching. Last night, however Ruiz called a bad game esp. with Park and that comeback fastball to I think Blanco who so obviously hadn’t learned how to deal with the big league curve.

jeffs- on Bako, I agree well to the extent that catchers calling a game is an important part of the game, but with Hamels, he really only has two pitches. Other than calling locations i don’t know how much that could have affected Hamels pitching. Last night, however Ruiz called a bad game esp. with Park and that comeback fastball to I think Blanco who so obviously hasn’t learned how to deal with the big league curve. As for Hamels well I’ve said it again and again in this blog, that the league has caught up to our four seamer fastball/change-up lefty because without a true third pitch batters finally realized that they have a 50/50 chance of guessing what’s coming. Hopefully he can work on his curveball on his off days or maybe someone needs to call Myers to coach him…I really miss watching guys bail on myers’ yakker .

mets fan – yes, that would be the only joy you’ll get from the Mets this year. Nice of you to show only after HOW MANY losses in a row and HOW MANY runs could you score? Such wusses.

Hopefully this team will fall out of first place tonight. They don’t deserve to be there. They’ve played like crap for most of season so far. I’m starting to wonder…did they overperform last year? Maybe this team is not as good as we thought. After all, they didn’t look very good last year until the end.

hey, i met my wife at a party 18 years ago i could have just as easily not gone to – i asked her to marry me 1 hour later – i now have 4 great kids and am very happily married – lifes about chance, fortuity, windows of opportunity, capitalizing etc – the phils just barely got in last year – if 1 walk off home run by howard went 5 more feet to the right and landed foul – we would have won nothing! – and of course there would have been no playoffs and world series for these guys where they really caught lightening in a bottle like we all know they are capable of at times – and we all would have been quite disappointed about another season where we came up empty handed – we would have moaned and groaned and complained incessantly – and instead of everyone being tied up over the winter with longish contracts the team would have probably been torn apart – atleast to an extent – and instead of everyone being in love with this team and thinking repeat and about the big red machine etc – we would have thought these guys were dogs – almost every one of them!! – and thats just if the result of 1 out of 60,000 pitches on 1 team had landed differently by 5 feet!!!! – man the difference between great and bad in baseball as in life can be infintesimal!!!! – so is this a great team or a bad team? – or a pretty good mix of a team that had a great year because of lots of little things that broke right for them – but this year things are just not breaking as right!? – i think a little perspective is probably in order both about last year and about this year – and for that matter about baseball and about life – and for that matter about the extent to which we romanticize and tend to turn great things into all around greater things and bad things into all around worse things!! – enjoy ur day!!

This goes back to the offense not finding a way to at least show positives in losses. The pitching has been very bad at times but when your an offensive ballclub and your bats can’t even manage some small-ball it always feels like the clocks ticking on the pitching imploding.

I really don’t think additions will improve the Phillies right now, a bench bat or starter no matter what the calibre isn’t going to cover over the reason this team is loosing games, too many of them without showing any signs of being able to re-bound by showing strong fundamental baseball giving allowing too many pitchers career performances.

The fundamentals need to be better, the preparation and game management needs to be better.

Geoff- you seem angry we haven’t landed Dan Haren, maybe if you call Josh Byrnes yourself with your proposal above on behalf of Ruben YOU might be able to get the deal done… You’ll probably need to throw tweety bird and curious george into the offer though, then offer Pat Overholt to JP Ricciardi for Roy Halladay and PTBNL to fill the need at the back of the Jays bullpen. As for Marquis get your facts right again before you start bleating, the Phils balked at a deal that would have brought Marquis and Spillborghs but would have meant sending JA Happ and minor leaguers to Colorado, do you really think that would have been a good deal?