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> <channel><title>Comments on: Other Trade Options for Halladay</title> <atom:link href="http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/</link> <description>Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 03:49:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: Big.AK</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-119781</link> <dc:creator>Big.AK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:27:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-119781</guid> <description>VICTORINO ???????????????? NO YOU DO NOT TRADE VICTORINO... THIS IS A TERRIBLE TRADE... NOBODY WANTS WELLS.  I RATHER WOULD HAVE MAYBERRY JR. IN RIGHT THEN WELLS.  HE IS GONNA BE GOOD PHILLIES FANS.  JOHN MAYBERRY JR.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VICTORINO ???????????????? NO YOU DO NOT TRADE VICTORINO&#8230; THIS IS A TERRIBLE TRADE&#8230; NOBODY WANTS WELLS.  I RATHER WOULD HAVE MAYBERRY JR. IN RIGHT THEN WELLS.  HE IS GONNA BE GOOD PHILLIES FANS.  JOHN MAYBERRY JR.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: halladayfan</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-119395</link> <dc:creator>halladayfan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:38:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-119395</guid> <description>As a Toronto fan I can tell you there is no pitcher in the game that can touch him, he pitches against the best hitters in the game and dominates them to the point they opening admit he is the best.  He consistently pitches late into games (instantly improving the bullpen), brings insane work ethic that helps the younger pitchers develop, especially during spring training when he arrives at 6 am everyday.  He is loyal to his team and does not demand a ridiculous salary, he just wants to win and knows that Toronto likely can&#039;t provide a championship.  Halladay is worth the top 3 prospects from any team without a doubt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Toronto fan I can tell you there is no pitcher in the game that can touch him, he pitches against the best hitters in the game and dominates them to the point they opening admit he is the best.  He consistently pitches late into games (instantly improving the bullpen), brings insane work ethic that helps the younger pitchers develop, especially during spring training when he arrives at 6 am everyday.  He is loyal to his team and does not demand a ridiculous salary, he just wants to win and knows that Toronto likely can&#8217;t provide a championship.  Halladay is worth the top 3 prospects from any team without a doubt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: PhilliesPhanofyear04</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118733</link> <dc:creator>PhilliesPhanofyear04</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:32:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118733</guid> <description>Why must we fix things that are not broken!!!! Keep our team. We have not played this well in a long time, why must we get older guys that may or may not play well at the time and trade our young guys that could do wonders for us.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must we fix things that are not broken!!!! Keep our team. We have not played this well in a long time, why must we get older guys that may or may not play well at the time and trade our young guys that could do wonders for us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: nationals#1</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118609</link> <dc:creator>nationals#1</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118609</guid> <description>Where are people getting the idea that the jays are forced to trade halladay for salary relief and that the phila can just slide them a shitty deal at the deadline and they&#039;d be forced to take it? If they don&#039;t get the right package of guys, he&#039;s going nowhere, salary is not their issue, everyone has wells on their mind I guess. The team has already said that they cannot and will not win without halladay, and earlier in the season he was untouchable.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are people getting the idea that the jays are forced to trade halladay for salary relief and that the phila can just slide them a shitty deal at the deadline and they&#8217;d be forced to take it? If they don&#8217;t get the right package of guys, he&#8217;s going nowhere, salary is not their issue, everyone has wells on their mind I guess. The team has already said that they cannot and will not win without halladay, and earlier in the season he was untouchable.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evening Shade: Maddon&#8217;s resurgent Rays take on White Sox &#124; ReadSports.com - Everything about sports</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118542</link> <dc:creator>Evening Shade: Maddon&#8217;s resurgent Rays take on White Sox &#124; ReadSports.com - Everything about sports</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:01:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118542</guid> <description>[...] &quot;Other trade options for Roy Halladay&quot; [Phillies [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &quot;Other trade options for Roy Halladay&quot; [Phillies [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Evening Shade: Maddon&#8217;s resurgent Rays take on White Sox &#124; ReadSports.com - Everything about sports</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118543</link> <dc:creator>Evening Shade: Maddon&#8217;s resurgent Rays take on White Sox &#124; ReadSports.com - Everything about sports</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:01:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118543</guid> <description>[...] &quot;Other trade options for Roy Halladay&quot; [Phillies [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &quot;Other trade options for Roy Halladay&quot; [Phillies [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kennedy</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118534</link> <dc:creator>Kennedy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:03:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118534</guid> <description>Would never happen.1: Taking on Wells contract would make it impossible to resign Halladay
2: Phillies would not want to sacrifice an offensive starter
3: Jays would prefer a player under team control for as long as possible
4: Nobody wants Vernon Wells. He&#039;s a nice guy, but his contract is cancer. Makes the Oliver Perez deal look like a stroke of genius. If the Jays traded him, they&#039;d have to write off like 70 million of that contract, and no team wants to write of 70 million. I&#039;m sure they&#039;d rather hold him and hope he learns to hit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would never happen.</p><p>1: Taking on Wells contract would make it impossible to resign Halladay<br
/> 2: Phillies would not want to sacrifice an offensive starter<br
/> 3: Jays would prefer a player under team control for as long as possible<br
/> 4: Nobody wants Vernon Wells. He&#8217;s a nice guy, but his contract is cancer. Makes the Oliver Perez deal look like a stroke of genius. If the Jays traded him, they&#8217;d have to write off like 70 million of that contract, and no team wants to write of 70 million. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d rather hold him and hope he learns to hit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Morris Buttermaker</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118532</link> <dc:creator>Morris Buttermaker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:28:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118532</guid> <description>Am I the only one who feels like the Phillies now have the upper hand?   The pitching is looking good-- and they have Myers and Pedro looking to add a helping hand.  Blanton and Happ are looking mighty swell.  Can&#039;t complain about Rodrigo Lopes so far.  Hamels is the weak link, yet he looks like he is on the brink of being dominating for the next 5 weeks.  And Happ is 7-0.  The offense looks incredible, best I have ever seen.  What can the Jays offer us?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who feels like the Phillies now have the upper hand?   The pitching is looking good&#8211; and they have Myers and Pedro looking to add a helping hand.  Blanton and Happ are looking mighty swell.  Can&#8217;t complain about Rodrigo Lopes so far.  Hamels is the weak link, yet he looks like he is on the brink of being dominating for the next 5 weeks.  And Happ is 7-0.  The offense looks incredible, best I have ever seen.  What can the Jays offer us?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Whack8888</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118531</link> <dc:creator>Whack8888</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:15:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118531</guid> <description>haha, well I didnt mean for my post to come off like I was bashing the ideas listed here.  Also, the 6-7 inning 4 run thing isnt supposed to be a ground breaking idea, it is just something to mention to counter the idea that we have to get an ace pitcher to be successful.  I think there are other pitchers out there that would cost a lot less and give the same basic benefits back.  I would love to see Halladay pitching for the Phillies as well, but there are things I dont like about this trade.  I think if the Phillies can get Halladay with an extension, that changes a lot of the equation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha, well I didnt mean for my post to come off like I was bashing the ideas listed here.  Also, the 6-7 inning 4 run thing isnt supposed to be a ground breaking idea, it is just something to mention to counter the idea that we have to get an ace pitcher to be successful.  I think there are other pitchers out there that would cost a lot less and give the same basic benefits back.  I would love to see Halladay pitching for the Phillies as well, but there are things I dont like about this trade.  I think if the Phillies can get Halladay with an extension, that changes a lot of the equation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Malcolm</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118529</link> <dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:59:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118529</guid> <description>Some of you get so down, so quickly on food-for-thought posts.  No matter how unlikely or likely all this is, it&#039;s still the same thing that Phillies fans talk about at bars when we&#039;re out watching a game.  It&#039;s just all the &quot;what-if&#039;s&quot; of MLB.  There is no sport that funnels as many rumors as baseball.  Screw it, some of you are just damn pathetic, getting fueled up on rumors only to come out and smash somebody else&#039;s ideas.  If you&#039;ve been watching baseball all of your life, you might as well act like it.  For every rumor in the rumor mill, there will be many scenarios.Also, for those of you up there who think it would be a waste to pick up a 2nd Ace. .. $15 million next year is only $3 more than Brett Myers makes this year and is a relative steal price for an ace.  Santana, Zambrano, Zito, Burnett, Hudson, Sabathia and Jason Schmidt all make more than Halladay.
-- I&#039;ve read some flat-out stupid stuff on here about &quot;just&quot; needing a pitcher who would give us 6-7 innings and gives up 4 runs.  Hell yeah we do!  Every team does.  You made a point that is about as well-known as a celebrity porno.  Good job.  Good middle of the rotation arms are solid, but there is no question what having a good 1-2 punch at the top of your rotation can do for your team.  History is all the evidence I need.  Sometimes 3 and 4 runs isn&#039;t enough.  Ask Cole Hamels last year, ask Cole Hamels this year.  We got hot at the right time last year, and our bullpen was better.  Hamels would benefit without question from having Halladay next to him, and that move would elevate us to the level of the Red Sox.Even if we don&#039;t get Halladay, I still like our chances, but, I&#039;m still a part of the Phillies Nation who would love to see Doc in the NL East pitching in the CBP.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you get so down, so quickly on food-for-thought posts.  No matter how unlikely or likely all this is, it&#8217;s still the same thing that Phillies fans talk about at bars when we&#8217;re out watching a game.  It&#8217;s just all the &#8220;what-if&#8217;s&#8221; of MLB.  There is no sport that funnels as many rumors as baseball.  Screw it, some of you are just damn pathetic, getting fueled up on rumors only to come out and smash somebody else&#8217;s ideas.  If you&#8217;ve been watching baseball all of your life, you might as well act like it.  For every rumor in the rumor mill, there will be many scenarios.</p><p>Also, for those of you up there who think it would be a waste to pick up a 2nd Ace. .. $15 million next year is only $3 more than Brett Myers makes this year and is a relative steal price for an ace.  Santana, Zambrano, Zito, Burnett, Hudson, Sabathia and Jason Schmidt all make more than Halladay.<br
/> &#8211; I&#8217;ve read some flat-out stupid stuff on here about &#8220;just&#8221; needing a pitcher who would give us 6-7 innings and gives up 4 runs.  Hell yeah we do!  Every team does.  You made a point that is about as well-known as a celebrity porno.  Good job.  Good middle of the rotation arms are solid, but there is no question what having a good 1-2 punch at the top of your rotation can do for your team.  History is all the evidence I need.  Sometimes 3 and 4 runs isn&#8217;t enough.  Ask Cole Hamels last year, ask Cole Hamels this year.  We got hot at the right time last year, and our bullpen was better.  Hamels would benefit without question from having Halladay next to him, and that move would elevate us to the level of the Red Sox.</p><p>Even if we don&#8217;t get Halladay, I still like our chances, but, I&#8217;m still a part of the Phillies Nation who would love to see Doc in the NL East pitching in the CBP.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aaron</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118527</link> <dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:33:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118527</guid> <description>They may want Kendrick because he has proven to  be able to succeed on the major league level and maybe just needs a change of scenery...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may want Kendrick because he has proven to  be able to succeed on the major league level and maybe just needs a change of scenery&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bryan</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118525</link> <dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:17:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118525</guid> <description>Am I the only Phils fan who recalls two of the worst trades the Phils ever made? Sandberg/Bowa for Ivan DeJesus? Manny Trillo (and four other players whose names escape me at the moment) for Von Hayes? Mortgaging our future for a 32-year old Halladay gives me the feeling of deja vu all over again. NO HALLADAY! I like the Phils&#039; chances AS IS!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only Phils fan who recalls two of the worst trades the Phils ever made? Sandberg/Bowa for Ivan DeJesus? Manny Trillo (and four other players whose names escape me at the moment) for Von Hayes? Mortgaging our future for a 32-year old Halladay gives me the feeling of deja vu all over again. NO HALLADAY! I like the Phils&#8217; chances AS IS!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118516</link> <dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:46:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118516</guid> <description>why do people think toronto would possibly want kyle kendrick???</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do people think toronto would possibly want kyle kendrick???</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe NY</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118514</link> <dc:creator>Joe NY</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:37:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118514</guid> <description>hope Mets get Roy Halladay soon</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hope Mets get Roy Halladay soon</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Whack8888</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118510</link> <dc:creator>Whack8888</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:19:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118510</guid> <description>haha</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aaron</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118507</link> <dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:15:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118507</guid> <description>Whack8888 you are wacko.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whack8888 you are wacko.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Whack8888</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118506</link> <dc:creator>Whack8888</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:13:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118506</guid> <description>Trading for Halladay is a total waste --1) NL East is basically a lock, if the Braves, Marlins etc. (god forbid the Mets) overtake us, the team has horrific problems that Halladay would not have corrected2) Playoffs and World Series cannot be calculated with any reasonable degree -- we either win or we dont, and the addition of Halladay is pretty much just noise against that same thing.  Say the offense goes kaputt, so we could really use an ace right?  Well, it is equally likely that our new ace Halladay goes kaputt and gives up 7 runs in 5 innings in the Division Series. etc. etc.3) Ace pitchers are a waste of resources for Phillies because of their awesome offense -- the Phillies need starting pitchers that can get 6-7 innings and give up 3-4 runs.  The Phillies will win most of those games.  That is the style of baseball they play.  If you get a pitcher that goes 8 innings and gives up 1 run, it is just a waste because he will cost a lot and the team would win anyway.  Ie, what is the difference between a 6-1 win and a 6-5 win?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trading for Halladay is a total waste &#8212;</p><p>1) NL East is basically a lock, if the Braves, Marlins etc. (god forbid the Mets) overtake us, the team has horrific problems that Halladay would not have corrected</p><p>2) Playoffs and World Series cannot be calculated with any reasonable degree &#8212; we either win or we dont, and the addition of Halladay is pretty much just noise against that same thing.  Say the offense goes kaputt, so we could really use an ace right?  Well, it is equally likely that our new ace Halladay goes kaputt and gives up 7 runs in 5 innings in the Division Series. etc. etc.</p><p>3) Ace pitchers are a waste of resources for Phillies because of their awesome offense &#8212; the Phillies need starting pitchers that can get 6-7 innings and give up 3-4 runs.  The Phillies will win most of those games.  That is the style of baseball they play.  If you get a pitcher that goes 8 innings and gives up 1 run, it is just a waste because he will cost a lot and the team would win anyway.  Ie, what is the difference between a 6-1 win and a 6-5 win?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: karen</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118497</link> <dc:creator>karen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:03:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118497</guid> <description>any trade that sends happ to toronto should not be done.  drabek is at AA level, marson is AAA, taylor is AAA, Happ is 7-0 with high 2 era</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any trade that sends happ to toronto should not be done.  drabek is at AA level, marson is AAA, taylor is AAA, Happ is 7-0 with high 2 era</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeff of Nova</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118469</link> <dc:creator>Jeff of Nova</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:18:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118469</guid> <description>Wy not take on Wells contract get the Jays to pay some of it like we did with Thome, and we do not give up any of our starting 8 Wells would be good off bench.Keep Drabek and Happ.Taking on Wells sould be big and take Drabek and Happ off the table.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wy not take on Wells contract get the Jays to pay some of it like we did with Thome, and we do not give up any of our starting 8 Wells would be good off bench.</p><p>Keep Drabek and Happ.</p><p>Taking on Wells sould be big and take Drabek and Happ off the table.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Phil</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/other-trade-options-for-halladay/comment-page-2/#comment-118362</link> <dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:20:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6563#comment-118362</guid> <description>Trade Howard for Halladay and Wells.  Put Ibanez on 1B.  Wells would light up NL pitching.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade Howard for Halladay and Wells.  Put Ibanez on 1B.  Wells would light up NL pitching.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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