Phillies Are Early Frontrunners for Halladay
Posted by Amanda Orr, Wed, July 08, 2009 02:39 PM | Comments: 92
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The Phillies have been looking for a pitching upgrade for quite some time, and now they could be an early favorite to land Roy Halladay. Halladay would be a perfect option for the Phillies; a ground ball pitcher in a hitter-friendly park. Toronto’s general manager, J.P. Ricciardi, is in no rush to trade Halladay, but made it known that Halladay is on the market.
The Phillies’ deep farm system makes them a popular favorite. They have a stronger farm system than in recent years, and the Phillies are not afraid to part with their prospects. The Blue Jays addressed they would like a shortstop. The Phillies could package Jason Donald in a deal. The Blue Jays had interest in Donald last year.
Also, the Blue Jays are unlikely to trade Halladay to a team within their division. That eliminates the Red Sox and Yankees, opening a door for the Phillies. The Blue Jays would be happy if he was out of the American League all together.
The only problem is that Halladay has a long list of teams he does not want to not play for. Ricciardi did not mention the teams, but there is always a possibility the Phillies are on that list.
Posts: 0 Chooch's Cooches
I can’t imagine what would put the Phils on Halladay’s list of teams to not play for. Doesn’t being reigning WFCs exempt us from that kind of thing? I sure hope so.
Posted: 02:47 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Maverick
Considering Stairs (a freind and former teammate of Halladay) is on the Phils and likes playing for us i don’t see Halladay rejecting a trade here.
Posted: 02:48 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 The Little Guy
Honestly, all this talk for the Phillies possibly trading for Halladay, makes me so excited, and honestly, i think the way Amaro is looking at it is that he wants to win now and he could very well get it done.
I agree, i don’t think he would reject a trade to any team that is already in the playoffs or has a very good chance.
Only if they don’t have to give up Happ, Drabek, or Taylor, i say get the deal done at all costs.
Posted: 02:55 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 BS
Damn, a rotation of Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Happ would be nice. I’m grinning just thinking about it.
Posted: 02:56 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 bull
one of the many trade rumor websites commented that a source close to halladay said he is open to playing for the phils (it also had about 3 other teams listed)
Posted: 02:58 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Maverick
Does anyone know what other teams might be offering for him…
We all know what the Phils could put in play.. but how does that compare to what the Angels or Mets might offer….
Btw. i live in NYC and they are just as high on trading for Halladay as we are.. although i dont know what they could offer for him,
Posted: 03:02 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Manny
Happ makes just 400K. And he’s giving us quality starts most of the time. His last 4 starts have been very impressive. Why should we give up such a valuable young player who’s our best pitcher right now (along with Fat Joe)? I certainly hope he is off-limits.
Maybe they won’t get this trade done after all and surprise us all with Pedro Martinez (**throws up**)
Posted: 03:10 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck P
There have been “0″ indications that the Mets are involved…
By the way, I read this out in cyber space… Pedro might be a Phillie soon…
Report: Phillies serious about signing Pedro
Roy Halladay might not be the only former Cy Young award winner the Phillies are interested in bringing in.
While officially the Phillies have said they are “just exploring all possibilities” by scouting Pedro MartinezPedro Martinez , a team source told ESPN it’s much more serious.
The source said that if the former MetsNew York Mets pitcher performed well in yesterday’s simulated game against the Phillies’ Dominican Summer League prospects that Philadelphia “will do something.”
And a scout for the team likes what he saw from the 37-year-old.
“The decision to sign him depends on the front office, but as far as we are concerned, we saw a Pedro Martínez ready to help a team,” Phillies scout Robinson Garcia told ESPNdeportes.
“I am surprised, I didn’t think he would be in such good shape,” Garcia said. “His fastball was good, between 88 and 91 miles, and all his breaking pitches were moving very well.
“Pedro won’t have problems throwing his fastball at 93 miles per hour. He really had a great session with us.”
The Phillies are the front-runners in trading for Halladay, too.
Posted: 03:27 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 ChaseUtleyMVP
I heard of the 3 untouchables, Knapp, Taylor and Drabek…that either Knapp or Taylor would go, along with probably Donald (jays want a SS) and Marson..
Drabek is literally UNTOUCHABLE…they see #1 star pitcher in this kid and won’t let him go.
I’ve said forever this kid is gonna be a star so as long as he stays, I say make the deal.
Have Hamels and Halladay at the top with Moyer, Blanton and Haap…
youd have that for 2 more years at least..
and in 2 years if Hamels or Halladay is gone, Drabek could be ready.
DO IT
ps.
DONT SIGN PEDRO
Posted: 03:27 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Manny
Pedro, even if he’s healthy, is a guy that will blow up the bullpen, barely making it to the 6th every time. WE DON’T NEED THAT. We should either get a top-tier starter or experiment with the pitchers from the minors.
We might as well bring up Kyle Kendrick who will do the same exact thing, at the very least. KK is actually improving and I’m dead serious when I say that I’ll rather see him pitch for our Phils this year instead of Pedro Martinez.
Posted: 03:39 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Maverick
Any thoughts on Vic as a trading chip… not that i want to see him traded but his name was bounced around the past 2 years so i would think he’s not “untouchable”
Werth would move to center and we could platoon right field with Stairs/Bruntlett/Dobbs/Mayberry/etc…
Posted: 03:44 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 CZ
Sign pedro and put him IN THE BULLPEN. I can not imagine they are looking at him as a starter.
Posted: 03:48 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
I would be all about signing Pedro – AS A RELIEVER…he really could help us in the bullpen…
Posted: 03:56 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Texas Rangers have higher rated prospects.. and Halladay is from Texas (I think) .. I kinda see them as the favorites to get him
The BlueJays aren’t going to give up one of, if not THE, best pitcher in baseball for Marson, Donald, Carrasco …. you need to include Drabek and/or Taylor/Brown
even though they have a nice OF crop.. they will be looking for a boatload in return, since Halladay is the best pitcher any team could ever get at the deadline… he’s worth more than Sabathia was last year since a team would 1.5 seasons of Halladay.. instead of just a few months
Posted: 03:57 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Mets fan
Just a word of advice on Pedro from a Mets fan. The guy would give us 5 innings and give up about 5 runs. His first few innings were always rough because he needed to figure out his command/stuff/ect… Putting him in the bullpen would not be a good idea. He is the kind of pitcher who gets stronger as the game goes along. Bringing him in for an inning would be a disaster.
Posted: 04:06 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
The Rangers cant add the payroll – do the reading…you need to put up MAJOR LEAGUE READY TALEN. Brown is TOO FAR off to be the centerpiece of any trade. If they insist on drabek and/or taylor or happ then NO DEAL. Youre trading to plug a hole so why create a new one now or in the future?
those things i laid out are reasonable, acceptable terms.
Posted: 04:10 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 JeffS
Hewitt, Dugan, and Cairo for Doc. Yes, I’m joking…just getting fatigued of trade proposals and don’t understand trading Happ, because then you STILL need more SPs. Upgrades the spot beyond belief, but doesn’t totally solve the problem that made us go after a SP to start with.
Posted: 04:13 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed R.
Halladay is actually from Colorado not Texas. The Jays scouts were in Philly for one reason last night, to see Happ start. If we do trade for Halladay you can be assured that Happ will be part of the deal unless we want to throw an extra two high level prospects to balance that out. But given that Toronto is actually a good team I can’t see them wanting to add just prospects and not add at least one guy with MLB service time, albeit short from Happ. I love Happ but if you can get Halladay for Happ, Donald, Marson and another prospect I say do it. Marson can be replace with D’Arnaud, we do have some quality arms in the minors so losing Happ wouldn’t be the worst thing ever. Donald is good but he can be traded. I guess the last prospect is what I would use to determine if the deal is worth it but chances are one of the solid OF prospects, Taylor, or Brown will have to go.
Posted: 04:14 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Bolton
It is a possibility the Phillies were included on Halladay’s no-trade list when they drew up his contract in 2006. However, every player has the option to waive that clause. Given the situation, Halladay would be moron not to waive it (if the Phillies are even on that list). The Phillies have a strong chance to repeat as World Champs and even stronger with his addition. So unless he has no desire for a ring, he would waive it. The only team that is certain to be on everyones no-trade list is Toronto.
Posted: 04:14 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Precisely…NOW, its possible the Phillies are bluffing on Pedro as posturing in the Halladay discussions. In fact, thats logical.
Posted: 04:15 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 CT Phillies Fan
Halladay – gitter don
Pedro – NO THANKS
Posted: 04:17 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
I cant see trading Happ. IF they do that they will have to trade for a lesser SP to be a 5th starter.
If Happ is in teh deal then Brown and Taylor are not and thats not debateable. Donald can be. Marson can be, but D’Arnaud has sucked this year – or at least last time I checked..
Posted: 04:18 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Happ is too calm and cool under pressure for me to want to trade away from my taem. Hes a great asset to any team because he doesnt get rattled.
Posted: 04:21 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 JeffS
D’Arnaud replace Marson? Isn’t that like a 3 level instant jump?
Posted: 04:22 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck P
Carrasco is the wild card in all of this… it depends what his value is to other teams. He’s still young and has the stuff… if you see him as a good #2 starter, then we don’t need to throw Drabek in there.
Halladay is from Colorado… I think that the Rangers could be a potential suitor if they’re not on his NT list.
The Jays have good young pitching… the Rangers have a ton of pitching prospects and a few notable position players (Chris Davis, Teagarden/Saltalamacchia, Justin Smoak). I would bet that the deal hinges on the position players… thankfully, the the only other team that scares me is the Chi-Sox. If they throw Gordon Beckham in a deal, we’re no longer the front-runners.
Posted: 04:23 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
I think thats a great point. It really ALL depends on how the Jays view Carrasco.
Posted: 04:25 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 mikemike
Halladay has put the phillies on his no trade list but as stated it was in 2006, he prefers texas, dodgers, brewers, is what I am hearing,
Posted: 04:25 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Toronto released BJ Ryan, so there goes my first scenario. Theyre preparing for a move.
Posted: 04:26 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Winks Tiddley
The Phils are not a team that Holliday wants to play for. It is not going to happen for us, so stop the pipe dreams. If it does happen, let’s rejoyce. However, it is sooooo unlikely. The Dodgers or Giants are the most likely to land this stud. NOT US. The stadium scares Roy, as it does a lot of other competitive pitchers, even though Roy is a groundball pitcher.
Posted: 04:26 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
That guy CLEARLY has no idea what hes talking about. And he must not know how to read EVERY MAJOR BASEBALL COLUMN IN THE PAST DAY that labels the Phillies as THE team that has the best shot at getting him. Wake up man.
Posted: 04:28 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 JeffS
The Giants don’t need more pitching. They need more hitting. And they have good youngsters in their minor system, too.
Posted: 04:28 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 The Little Guy
Don M…Halladay is from Colorado, lol.
Posted: 04:29 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Ben
just speculation. are they thinking of including happ and then you pick up doc for the front of the rotation and pedro to fill in for happ?
rotation would be:
doc
hamels
blanton
moyer
pedro
not preferred, but its better than what we currently have.
Posted: 04:30 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck P
To everyone saying “Don’t trade Happ…” Which rotation would you rather have in September?
Hamels, Blanton, Moyer, Happ, Lopez/Bastardo/Carrasco
OR
Hamels, Halladay, Blanton, Moyer, Carrasco
Not even a question, is it?
And I’m not saying that I think we need to trade Happ to get this done… I think that we can get it done without him… I’m just saying that if it comes down to it, I would still consider a deal that includes Happ (a deal that would no longer include Drabek, Carrasco and Taylor/Brown).
Posted: 04:30 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 AM
I like your thinking Geoff.. I can’t believe they’d really want Pedro.
I could see them trading Taylor, as they could look at Dugan to be the OF of the future. They want a shortstop, so they’ll probably take Donald.
Taylor, Donald, and at least two other guys. Happ shouldn’t be one of them, he’s too cheap for how good he is.. they need to hold on to him.
Posted: 04:30 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 AM
I like your thinking Geoff.. I can’t believe they’d really want Pedro.
I could see them trading Taylor, as they could look at Dugan to be the OF of the future. They want a shortstop, so they’ll probably take Donald.
Taylor, Donald, and at least two other guys. Happ shouldn’t be one of them, he’s too cheap for how good he is.. they need to hold on to him.
Posted: 04:30 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 AM
I like your thinking Geoff.. I can’t believe they’d really want Pedro.
I could see them trading Taylor, as they could look at Dugan to be the OF of the future. They want a shortstop, so they’ll probably take Donald.
Taylor, Donald, and at least two other guys. Happ shouldn’t be one of them, he’s too cheap for how good he is.. they need to hold on to him.
Posted: 04:30 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Mike D.
I’d rather not get rid of Happ to get this done.
I’d be pumped about Pedro 5 years ago, or even 3 years ago. Now?
Posted: 04:32 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
I dunno man, Taylor is a BEAST.
Posted: 04:32 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Eb
THE RANGERS ARE BORROWING MONEY FROM THE MLB, AND UNSURE OF HAVING THE CASH FLOW TO OBTAIN A CONTRACT LIKE HIS
Posted: 04:32 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Eb
Sorry for the ridiculous about of caital letters
Posted: 04:33 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Chris L
If past trades are indication you’re looking at 3-5 players needed to get Roy. The Jays want a young SS and at least 1 ML ready player. The Phils are the logical option as mentioned earlier…
Jason Donald
D’Arnaud or Marson
Bastardo, Carrasco or Savery ( I think Happ and Drabek are off limits)
Werth or Mayberry
and here’s the kicker Moyer leaves (either as part of the deal or more likely, he gets moved to Seattle and the prospect or 2 help replenish )
The Phils would also get a A or AA pitcher depending on which players they give up plus Phils get 72 hours to get extenstion done and he signs for about the same as Ryan (3 more years/$54 mil)
BTW – no reason to get Pedro unless he blew them away or he’s signing a minor league deal that is mostly incentives
Posted: 04:34 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 The Little Guy
I honestly think that Amaro is going to pull a deal off, i can feel it.
He knows all the team needs is another top of the line reliable starter from being unbeatable in a playoff format, and i think he will do whatever it takes to land that guy, without risking the future.
And people saying that they have “heard” that Halladay is “scared” of the stadium is a retard. So your telling me after watchin the Phillies in the World Series and Hamels DOMINATE pitching at CBP, that Halladay is “scared”, your talking about the best pitcher in the league, not Adam Eaton. I think all he cares about is getting into the playoffs, (something he hasn’t done in 12 years of his career), and getting a championship. Joining the Phils in the weaker league, with the highest scoring offense in the NL, maybe even the MLB, why would he decline?
Halladay could pitch in Williamsport and still pitch completel game shutouts, stop it with the stadium, its old and its bullshit.
Posted: 04:36 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Wow….Halladay. What I wouldn’t give to have that guy with Hamels at the top of the rotation. Great pitcher, not a head case, no arm problems, ground ball guy, model of consistency. The hair on my arms is standing up just thinking about it. I have no idea what we would have to give up. I mean, I don’t even wanna think about it. But bet on this, the Mets will try and get him. That would vault them right past the Phils immediately.
The Dipsy
Posted: 04:37 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
ID LOVE to clear Moyers slary out of here…but, Toronto GM said NO EXTENSION WINDOW (check sportsnet.ca, great sports site). The Phils have PLENTY of time to resign him anyway should they land the Doc
Posted: 04:39 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
ID LOVE to clear Moyers slary out of here…but, Toronto GM said NO EXTENSION WINDOW (check sportsnet.ca, great sports site). The Phils have PLENTY of time to resign him anyway should they land the Doc
Posted: 04:39 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck P
Would like to see them keep Taylor… but Brown is a very good player, too… as long as we can keep one of them, we should be alright (I like Taylor’s power over Brown’s speed but Brown is young and could develop that same power… think Sizemore). Donald won’t play here for at least two years… unfortunately, he’s behind Rollins/Utley and neither of them are going anywhere… he could be a good SS or 2B for another team… Ruiz is the catcher of the future and Marson is in the same boat; he’s a very good player (might be better offensively) but Ruiz is superior, defensively and he would never slot higher than a #8 hitter in this lineup so he’s never going to see many good pitches to hit (defense is more important). That’s my logic…
Posted: 04:39 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Manny
I read that Halliday DOES NOT want to go to Texas… that that specific ballpark brings bad memories to him… so I definitely see the Phils as the front-runners in this.
But please don’t trade Happ.
Posted: 04:50 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 Dhall
Honestly, why would Halladay NOT want to play here? Great offense, great defense behind him, and the reigning WS champs! He’d be crazy to put us on his do not trade list.
Posted: 04:57 PM on July 8, 2009
Posts: 0 sportsnut
Why would you give up the house for a guy who is often injured and is paid alot of cash.
When you could snag a guy like Cliff Lee who manual managed in the past who in his last 51 start has went more than 6 inning 49 out of the 51 last starts.
He is signed through next season a a very team friendly contract and could be had for
Happ or Drabek + Antonio Bastardo and a couple low A ballplayers like Justin De Fratus and Freddy Galvis would pry Lee away from the rebuilding Indians
Posted: 05:06 PM on July 8, 2009