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Often injured? sportsnut, what the hell are you talking about?

Are you talking about the same Cliff Lee that was in the minors in 2007?

most of you guys dont seem to realize that happ and drabek will almost definitely be sent to toronto in a deal for halladay. J.P. Ricciardi is NOT an idiot and will not deal a player of halladays caliber without receiving a pitcher of drabeks talent and a guy like happ to play for the rest of the season in halladays absence. This move will absolutely destroy our farm system but halladay is so good it will most likely be worth it especially if he agrees to an extension with us assuming the trade takes place. And the Indians might suck but they will want a similar price for cliff lee.

read and that and you are either listening to a liar or someone that will NOT be trading our top prospects…

http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/amaro_talks_halladay_martinez.html

The Phillies aren’t willing to deplete their farm system. There are untouchables.

We made a deal w/ Detroit to promote each other;s player in an effort to double votes…I remember that kind of thing happening last year.

Hell, if we’re doing this we should promise to vote Lind into the All-Star game if the Jays promise to trade us Halladay!

*meant to say contract year..
might be worth it

You got it Don. I read today’s interview with Amaro, thanks to CZ’s posting of a link to facebook.com.

As Amaro pointed out, there is a limit to Phillies’ payroll of $130 million plus. And that he does have a personal list of “untouchables” in the farm system. There can be NO extension of Halliday’s contract beyond year 2010.

The Phillies front office must give this thought. For the remainder of this season, Halliday is to paid the remaining $7 million and $15.75 million next season. That’s a total of about $23 million for 1.5 years. A very expensive rental pitcher indeed.

As mentioned, the Phillies’ 2009 payroll already has climbed to more than $130 million, and they already have committed $95.5 million to 11 players for 2010.

I don’t think it’s realistic to think the Phillies would be agreeable to give up $23 million AND a “boatload” of top prospects for a 1.5 yr rental pitcher.

It is realistic to think the front office have a contingency plan that may include the likes of Pedro Martinez and Paul Byrd. Much cheaper and NO
mortage of the farm’s future.

Halladay would be a great pitcher to have on the Phils, but i’m thinking that the Blue Jays are looking for a ridiculous amount of our talent in exchange for him. I wouldn’t risk giving up some of our best farm talent and more just for this guy. We’d be giving up too much. But if we can make a reasonable trade without getting rid of any of our best players i’d say go for it.

I think Happ should be the only untouchable, Drabek is going to be great according to most of you in here, but if we can re sign Halladay to 3-5 years I would take that and give up Drabek, just not Happ

Should we take offense to being called frontrunners?

I would love Halladay in the rotation, my only concern is throwing away the entire farm system for him. I love Happ, Drabek, and Taylor. Those three should be untouchable, but one of them will probably have to go if Halladay were to become a Phillie. Out of those three, Taylor is probably the most expendable because of the amount of outfield talent that we already have. Good starting pitching is hard to come by, and Drabek may be the real deal when he comes up. Remember Jamie Moyer isn’t getting any younger, and we have to think about next season as well. To hear more of my thoughts, check out my blog at http://www.broadstreetheroes.com/.

Happ untouchable lol

He was un owned in fantasy leagues 4 weeks ago.

Get a grip people. I love how hes pitching. He is our ace right now. I hope to keep him and hope he continues to do well. Hes not Cole. Hes not untouchable.

To me, Drabek is untouchable. Taylor is absolutely shredding AA and just tears the cover off the ball harder than Ryan Howard according to some.
Dominic Brown has more tools than Taylor, but just hasn’t put up the numbers yet and is still in A ball. Knapp has a load of potential, but has command issues and is still only 18 years old. I’d like to see him pitch against A+ hitters. The Jays are going to want at least two of these guys plus a Jason Donald and maybe even Happ. That is just too much for the money we’d have to dish out to Halladay on a long term deal. And I highly doubt we’d deal away too many players just for a year and a half rental. This team is a Jason Marquis type pitcher away from being just fine this year.

happ untouchable all prospects are fair game do not let this guy go to the dodgers or the mets

I dont see the Phillies trading more than 4 upper prospects for Doc, maybe a 5th low level guy, but anything more than that would be historical. It would be on the level of the Vikings trading all those picks for Herchel. No one including the Phillies should have to trade their top 5 prospects for anyone…. anytime.

A package of Donald – Marson – Knapp/Carrasco – Brown/Taylor – 5th low level guy is more than fair. We’re not talking KK- Condrey – Mayberry – etc. here. All of those guys are highly regarded.

If the deal “has to” begin with Drabek, then thats fine, they only get one more guy out of those listed, but if they want volume then Drabek is untouchable.

signing pedro costs nothing. its win win

damn people be logical. its not your 3 million

he wont be back unless by some miracle he did well with us

pedro sucks but you lose nothing signing him.

I read comments attributed to Halliday earlier today to the effect that all he cares about is going to a club that has a legitimate shot at winning. The Phils clearly fit into that category, and therefore I think it’s highly likely he would wave his no-trade clause and come to Philly. I don’t see the Phils parting with Happ though unless they have a legitimate candidate to fill his slot in the rotation i.e. if they think Pedro can be a quality fifth starter for the remainder of the season.

some jerk keeps posting under my name, can you do something ?

I would not give up Drabek for anything and there were talks of possibly trading Happ, frankly we’ve got to give them someone who is somewhat proven. I love Happ and he has a low payroll with lots of talent and would settle in nicely as a #3. We do have lots of young talent coming up as well, so I think we could afford to lose Happ if need be. I’m looking at this trade going something like Happ, Donald (hate to give up this future all-star), and Marson (possibly Mayberry as well). My two untouchables are Drabek and Taylor. Drabek is not going anywhere they are taking their sweet time with this kid grooming him to be their next ace. Taylor has the power of Ryan Howard (their stats at this age are very similar) and he can play the outfield. I know our lineup is already stacked, but when the phils are lookign to replace werth or victorino Taylor will fit in very nicely. I really hope the phils can make some magic happen and land Halladay, how sweet it would be! go phils!

I would bet the roadblock to a Halladay trade is Drabek.

I’m sure the Jays want him in return (wouldn’t you?), and the Phils don’t want to give him up. Ricchardi said today he would only trade Halladay now if the offer blows him out of the water. To me, that means Drabek.

We know Donald would be in the deal and maybe another middling pitching prospect.

As a lot of folks have said, the jays have a crowded outfield, so I doubt they would go for Taylor or Brown.

We can day-dream all we want, but we’re not going to steal away the best pitcher in baseball on the cheap.

If we want Halladay this year (and remember the Jays don’t have to trade him this year), I think it’s going to take adding Drabek to the package.

That’s the price.

Is it worth it? Should we win now and sacrifice the future? Glad I’m not the one who has to make that call. Good luck, Rube.

I think Hagen in PDN had a good take on Amaro/Montgomery. That the organization may be happy with just getting into the playoffs and taking their chances, and because the NL East is so bad, we could do that without Halladay. So, even if Halladay makes us the NL favorites to get to the World Series (this year and next year), I would not expect Rube to trade the farm, give in to Toronto, etc. If he goes to StL or LA, we’ll just get into the playoffs and take our chances.

Murph in his High Cheese blog also talks about the rotation in 2011 (Hamels, Happ, Drabek as the foundation), but it’s hard for me to see the Phils spending big $$$ to fill it out. I do think Rube and Charlie implying Drabek is untouchable is more posturing than an absolute. It all depends on what would satisfy Toronto.

I would definitely make a serious run at him, but if Toronto’s asking price truly is crazy, take a pass.