Comments on: Alfonso Soriano: The One That (Luckily) Got Away

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By: Joel V

Joel V — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:43:57 +0000

I don’t think anyone is taking the Citizens Bank Park factor and the strength of this lineup into account. It’s no secret that both factored into Ibanez’s career season this year along with Aaron Rowand’s career yr before he left! Taking both of those players into account, you would then have to believe that if Soriano played here, you can add 5-10 hrs ,10-20 rbis, and at least a few points to his batting avg. to his final totals the last couple of years. And that’s at a minimum!

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:56:09 +0000

lol just saying when it comes down to it he signed a big deal, if he can come on the field and be productive at all than he is going to be out there and not ride the bench and be a complete waste of money. the weight of that contracts weighs on him a bit than he likes i bet. if one of these coming years he comes into the season healthy and remains that way and if the cubs could do the impossible like winning the world series i bet you wouldnt be so down on him.

By: NJ

NJ — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:32:09 +0000

Problem as teams like the Yanks know better than anyone is your paying for what a guys done and some guys just aren’t going to deliver the numbers they have previously, Soriano being a prime example.

By: Whack8888

Whack8888 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:24:25 +0000

Yeah the mega deals are so risky. Unless the guy performs exactly at or above the level you expect him to, and are paying him to, your franchise can just be in the crapper for a long long time. Even organizations like San Fran and the Cubs who have a decent amount of money to throw around can get messed up by it. As the cubs look for their long elusive World Series win, they will have to wonder if this Soriano deal is the reason they cant get it done.

Also what is with guys in their late 20s etc. getting tons of money and tons of years for a contract? I would rather the Phillies paid a decent price for a guy in his late 20s or so, but cut down on the years. For instance, 8 million a year is a bit much for Victorino, but what if we only got him for 3 years? That way, if his production goes in the crapper at some point, it is not one of these franchise killing deals. Though I suppose 5 years at 5 million is better — haha, I dont know what I am talking about

By: Joel V

Joel V — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:00 +0000

One of the greatest NON-MOVES the Phils ever made????

.299 33 hrs in 2007
.280 29 hrs in 2008

You mean to tell me you wouldn’t take that???
LOL!

By: Kennedy

Kennedy — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:15:21 +0000

If I was training Baseball G.M.s, I would give them one golden rule to live by. Don’t sign anyone who doesn’t play amazing defense to a $90,000,000.00 or above contract (obviously pitchers are an exception). Soriano was so overpriced, a marginal outfielder, mid-level power, good speed but going on 31. A backloaded deal for an aging player who’s game depended largely on speed, it must have been obvious they weren’t going to be getting a high quality of play for the last few years. Corner outfielders who can hit 25 – 30 HRs aren’t exactly a dime a dozen, but they aren’t exactly rare. I still don’t know how Adam Dunn has avoided signing a moronic mega-deal, could it be that G.M.s finally learned (and for the Giants not to sign him last winter was nearly criminal, 3yrs 30 Million would have bought them an offense). Adam Dunn=Poor man’s Manny Ramirez.

By: Pat Gallen

Pat Gallen — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:52:34 +0000

Ed 2: Mr. Baseball is an underrated baseball movie, good stuff.

Amanda: I believe they may have kicked the tires on Bradley, but i’m not sure it was anything more. Everything the Phils touch lately has turned to gold.

By: Amanda Orr

Amanda Orr — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:36:00 +0000

Another awesome article, Pat. I almost forgot about Soriano. Worked out for the Phillies.

Also weren’t the Phillies looking at Milton Bradly last year before they got Raul? Another good non-move.

By: Ed 2

Ed 2 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:15:47 +0000

I thought only Charlie Manual and Tom Selleck went to Japan to play baseball?

By: Morris Buttermaker

Morris Buttermaker — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:53:25 +0000

Since his name was mentioned, I will going on my rant about him. Aaron Rowand. When he got ready to go to the game each day, he grabbed his hat, glove, a pack of Marlboros and a short length of tube to blow smoke up everybody’s ass. I used to call him “Mr. Intense Strike Out.” He would strike out looking and then make a real intense face. Yea, I know, he ran into a wall once. But I was on vacation when that happened. So missed all of the hype. And then when he left the Phillies, he said he wanted to go to a winner, so he went to the San Francisco Giants for a ton of money. And he came up so small in the playoff series against the Rockies- 1 for 12 with 4 strikeouts, but the 1 hit was a solo homer.

But I was one of the people who thought the Phillies should have gone after Soriano. I guess there is a reason he has played on so many teams in such a short time period and was forced to go to Japan for a while. So I am willing to admit I was wrong, and I am incredibly glad the Phillies did not sign him.

By: Miles

Miles — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:38:32 +0000

Just to expand on Pat’s thoughts here….

The real issue at hand here is really if these monster contracts are worth it at all. And will the teams that give them out ever wise up? I mean some of these players (Lee, Hunter, Miguel Cabrera) have been pretty productive but the vast majority of these guys (Zito, Soriano, Wells, Magglio Ordonez) are nothing short of franchise killers. Even contracts like Sarge Jr’s (something like 5 years 50 million I believe) are just terrible. He’s not even in the starting lineup right now.

A team like the Jays overpaid for AJ Burnett, BJ Ryan, and Vernon Wells all within the period of a couple years. Burnett ended up being pretty good but then left for the Yanks, the Jays are desperately trying to get Wells off the books, and they just WAIVED BJ Ryan.

The point is that the massive contracts are just WAY too high risk. For guys like Teixera, it seems like a sure thing, but you never know what injuries will do. Oh, yeah, and then there’s the fact that these guys know that they will never get another big contract so it’s not like it really matters how hard they train/work after the big deal is in place.

By: Pat Gallen

Pat Gallen — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:08:18 +0000

Aaron, if Soriano was here on the third year of an 8 year deal, limping around the bases the same way Burrell did, he’d be getting it a lot worse. Especially when you figure he’s owed somewhere around $95 million more until the end of his contract.

That could have really hamstrung this organization.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:58:57 +0000

I think you are a little tough on Soriano here. Pretty sure if he didnt play hurt and he was healthy he would be putting up those numbers again. Burrel may have been a fan favorite but he got more jeers than cheers if you ask me.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:38:10 +0000

Yeah Soriano definitely was on the juice for a few seasons. 46 homeruns? ok sure pal….

He is still a VERY good player, but he isnt the power monster top 5 player in all of baseball that he used to be.

By: Don M

Don M — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:23:36 +0000

Yea.. I was going to say Carlos Lee too.. at the time, they both signed something like TOP 10 MOST EXPENSIVE contracts in the history of baseball ..

The only good signing was Carlos Beltran… maybe Torii Hunter, but I don’t know what his $$$ was..

Soriano, Lee, Vernon Wells, etc.. lots of bad contracts out there, which is why its so nice to have Victorino and Werth

Letting Rowand walk was a smart move too, obviously

By: Ari

Ari — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:50:16 +0000

I guess once he stopped juicing his production dropped off.

By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:47:25 +0000

i remember all the shit 950 and 610 callers talked when the phils didnt sign soriano. Good work phils….

By: ed 2

ed 2 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:44:12 +0000

Don’t forget carlos lee the same summer

By: Brooks

Brooks — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:33:06 +0000

Looking at the LAA boxscore, I noticed Tori Hunter’s name, usually batting after Bobby Abreau in the lineup.
Not a fan of these oversized contracts, I could not help but remember that Bobby signed for $5 mil while Tori Hunter cashed in. Unbelievable in that Hunter and Abreau are 1 year apart (Bobby was born in 74, Hunter in 75), Hunter has 1 season where he hit over 30 hrs, 2 seasons where he knocked in over 100 rbi and his career batting average is .274. He is sporting an average of .305 this year but he is currently on the DL.

Abreau has more career HR’s, has knocked in 100 or more runs in 8 seasons, has a career batting average of .300, has never seen a stint on the DL – Bobby has played in over 150 games for the last 12 years. His numbers are far better than Tori Hunters but notice the salary discrepancy – Hunter will be receiving over 3 times as much than Bobby. On the same team, hell when healthy, batting right behind Bobby in the lineup (usually). How difficult would that have to be?