Comments on: Rollins and Victorino Paltry Against Braves http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sat, 26 May 2012 03:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Corey Seidmanhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111995 Corey Seidman Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:12:02 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111995 The Phillies are not out of anything. They will not be sellers at any point this year.Under no circumstances would the Phils trade Ryan Madson. After signing him to a three-year deal. Especially to a division opponent.I have a hard time believing any of YOU actually believe the Phillies are out of the race or in a position to experiment/rebuild. The Phillies are not out of anything. They will not be sellers at any point this year.

Under no circumstances would the Phils trade Ryan Madson. After signing him to a three-year deal. Especially to a division opponent.

I have a hard time believing any of YOU actually believe the Phillies are out of the race or in a position to experiment/rebuild.

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By: mikemikehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111889 mikemike Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:06:05 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111889 yeah but the mets win again. florida need a relief pitcher maybe we can unload madson to them for some young talent or eyre too. yeah but the mets win again. florida need a relief pitcher maybe we can unload madson to them for some young talent or eyre too.

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By: The Dipsyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111887 The Dipsy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:45:11 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111887 Is anybody watching this guy?The Dipsy Is anybody watching this guy?

The Dipsy

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By: The Dipsyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111886 The Dipsy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:42:05 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111886 Marcus Hayes is a moron.The Dipsy Marcus Hayes is a moron.

The Dipsy

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By: Keithhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111885 Keith Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:39:26 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111885 we are not out of it, we're leading right now we are not out of it, we’re leading right now

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By: M.P. aka A.J. #54http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111883 M.P. aka A.J. #54 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:15:24 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111883 Gents, K-Rod blew another save, so hopefully we can lose the Met Trolls tonight. Gents, K-Rod blew another save, so hopefully we can lose the Met Trolls tonight.

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By: mikemikehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111881 mikemike Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:13:26 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111881 Next years lineup I wonder if it will be the same ,we need a leadoff hitter for next year, since we are out of it why not try different lineups the rest of the season. Next years lineup I wonder if it will be the same ,we need a leadoff hitter for next year, since we are out of it why not try different lineups the rest of the season.

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By: mikemikehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111879 mikemike Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:11:23 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111879 I am so lucky got back my money for saturdays game. can't believe this guy wanted to go. lucky me, I am so lucky got back my money for saturdays game. can’t believe this guy wanted to go. lucky me,

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By: The Dipsyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111876 The Dipsy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:01:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111876 I'll even go as far to say that you can put Ibanez at 4 and move Howard to 5. Ryan is good but he can be soooooooo much better. In fact, his ceiling as a slugger is limitless. The great home run hitters make the pitchers throw them strikes. If they don't, the slugger walks. Barry Bonds built his career around it. Adam Dunn does it today. Some of us forget that the object when you go to the plate is NOT to hit a homer rather its NOT to make an out. If you take the walk in the Phils lineup you're gonna get knocked in a lot. Howard should be walking 100 times and scoring 110 runs. Instead, he's got below a .330 OBP. Look, I know he'll never have Ted Williams' eye but for the love of god he swings at what can only be describes as unmitigated dog shit just way too often. Not bashing him. I just want him to be better.The Dipsy I’ll even go as far to say that you can put Ibanez at 4 and move Howard to 5. Ryan is good but he can be soooooooo much better. In fact, his ceiling as a slugger is limitless. The great home run hitters make the pitchers throw them strikes. If they don’t, the slugger walks. Barry Bonds built his career around it. Adam Dunn does it today. Some of us forget that the object when you go to the plate is NOT to hit a homer rather its NOT to make an out. If you take the walk in the Phils lineup you’re gonna get knocked in a lot. Howard should be walking 100 times and scoring 110 runs. Instead, he’s got below a .330 OBP. Look, I know he’ll never have Ted Williams’ eye but for the love of god he swings at what can only be describes as unmitigated dog shit just way too often. Not bashing him. I just want him to be better.

The Dipsy

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By: Elihttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111871 Eli Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:09:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111871 You all said it, Let's go mets You all said it, Let’s go mets

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By: The Little Guyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111869 The Little Guy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:30:51 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111869 Completely agree Dipsy.I understand Charlie is a players manager, hes laid back and all, but honestly, your top players are playing like crap, even with your pitching woes, you should be AT LEAST 5-6 games up on EVERYONE ELSE in the division, why not completely shake things up till the all star break or something, just to get them going.It's so frustrating because their lineup is probably equally as talented as the Red Sox, yet the Red Sox are so much better coached and stick to their game plan, oh yeah and don't swing at balls. Completely agree Dipsy.

I understand Charlie is a players manager, hes laid back and all, but honestly, your top players are playing like crap, even with your pitching woes, you should be AT LEAST 5-6 games up on EVERYONE ELSE in the division, why not completely shake things up till the all star break or something, just to get them going.

It’s so frustrating because their lineup is probably equally as talented as the Red Sox, yet the Red Sox are so much better coached and stick to their game plan, oh yeah and don’t swing at balls.

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By: The Dispyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111868 The Dispy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:25:32 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111868 Here is a lineup:Werth Utley Ibanez Howard Feliz Victorino Rollins RuizIf you stacked those three guys at the top that would mean the starter would probably end up throwing, two times through the order, lets say 10 or 12 more pitches than he would as the current lineup is currently constituted. I put Feliz at 5 cuz he's a righty to "protect" Howard. I mean, is this a crazy way to think? Charlie can send the message, "If you mfers want your spots back, use you effin brains when you hit". Try that for three or four days. What could it hurt?The Dipsy Here is a lineup:

Werth
Utley
Ibanez
Howard
Feliz
Victorino
Rollins
Ruiz

If you stacked those three guys at the top that would mean the starter would probably end up throwing, two times through the order, lets say 10 or 12 more pitches than he would as the current lineup is currently constituted. I put Feliz at 5 cuz he’s a righty to “protect” Howard. I mean, is this a crazy way to think? Charlie can send the message, “If you mfers want your spots back, use you effin brains when you hit”. Try that for three or four days. What could it hurt?

The Dipsy

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By: M.P. aka A.J. #54http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111866 M.P. aka A.J. #54 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:15:28 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111866 Little Guy - They had the right strategy last year against CC. Victorino said their goal was to run up pitch counts. That is how Boston is doing it - and they will win it all if unchallenged. Little Guy – They had the right strategy last year against CC. Victorino said their goal was to run up pitch counts. That is how Boston is doing it – and they will win it all if unchallenged.

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By: The Little Guyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111865 The Little Guy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:10:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111865 Yeah i feel you, and i completely agree with Dipsy on the notion that they MUST take some more pitches and get the starter out of the game.I mean for Gods sake, look at what the oppostion is doing to Hamels, They take his change up, foul of a couple of his low 90s fastballs off, then hammer a high change or a inside fastball for a base hit and before you know it, its the 5th inning and he has 97 pitches and everyone is shaking their heads. Yeah i feel you, and i completely agree with Dipsy on the notion that they MUST take some more pitches and get the starter out of the game.

I mean for Gods sake, look at what the oppostion is doing to Hamels, They take his change up, foul of a couple of his low 90s fastballs off, then hammer a high change or a inside fastball for a base hit and before you know it, its the 5th inning and he has 97 pitches and everyone is shaking their heads.

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By: M.P. aka A.J. #54http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111864 M.P. aka A.J. #54 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:06:35 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111864 Little Guy - it was not until that happened last year that they had fire. I agree with you and LA on that. If that is what it takes to light the fire, then I will pull for the Mets with the HOPE of greater good. Kind of like tough love I guess.All I know is I was going to to see the game, but sent my mother and stepdad for a day away. I just am not ready for it right now. I was like this last year too, so it will be OK Little Guy – it was not until that happened last year that they had fire. I agree with you and LA on that. If that is what it takes to light the fire, then I will pull for the Mets with the HOPE of greater good. Kind of like tough love I guess.

All I know is I was going to to see the game, but sent my mother and stepdad for a day away. I just am not ready for it right now. I was like this last year too, so it will be OK

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By: The Little Guyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111863 The Little Guy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:03:57 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111863 MP, i hope too, but last night after the 1st inning, i said to my dad, "Their going to score 1 run tonight and get swept going into the weekend series with the Mets."Honestly, i hate to say it, but thats what needs to happen for them to wake up and smell the coffee and see they aren't as good as they think they are. MP, i hope too, but last night after the 1st inning, i said to my dad, “Their going to score 1 run tonight and get swept going into the weekend series with the Mets.”

Honestly, i hate to say it, but thats what needs to happen for them to wake up and smell the coffee and see they aren’t as good as they think they are.

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By: M.P. aka A.J. #54http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111862 M.P. aka A.J. #54 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:01:42 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111862 No one is, or will be out of this race by the All-Star break. Seriously.Little Guy - I hope we clobber tonight so I can rag on the Mets AND people here. No one is, or will be out of this race by the All-Star break. Seriously.

Little Guy – I hope we clobber tonight so I can rag on the Mets AND people here.

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By: M.P. aka A.J. #54http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111861 M.P. aka A.J. #54 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:00:18 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111861 Mikemike, if you want to be like that: You are talking about dumping $13 million on others; not the best alternatives. How about we trade the entire Phillies team for the NY Mets so they can get their World Championship and we can be a third rate city? Mikemike, if you want to be like that: You are talking about dumping $13 million on others; not the best alternatives. How about we trade the entire Phillies team for the NY Mets so they can get their World Championship and we can be a third rate city?

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By: The Dispyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-2/#comment-111860 The Dispy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:00:12 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111860 Look it. J-Ro is GONNA hit. And when he does look out. Ibanez will come back. Problem: They...do...not...look...at...pitches. Teams like Boston know that the sooner you get into a team's shitty bullpen, the better off you're gonna be. I know they can do it because they did it BIG TIME in the playoffs and World Series last year, amazingly enough. So start doing it again. I would prefer not to hear Charlie say "I don't wanna take away their aggressiveness". That's crap. Now the piching is another story................The Dipsy Look it. J-Ro is GONNA hit. And when he does look out. Ibanez will come back. Problem: They…do…not…look…at…pitches. Teams like Boston know that the sooner you get into a team’s shitty bullpen, the better off you’re gonna be. I know they can do it because they did it BIG TIME in the playoffs and World Series last year, amazingly enough. So start doing it again. I would prefer not to hear Charlie say “I don’t wanna take away their aggressiveness”. That’s crap. Now the piching is another story…………….

The Dipsy

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By: The Little Guyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/rollins-and-victorino-paltry-against-braves/comment-page-1/#comment-111859 The Little Guy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:58:14 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=5804#comment-111859 Swept* Swept*

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