Comments on: The value of James Anthony Happ http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sat, 26 May 2012 04:16:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Nickhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-118086 Nick Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:13:58 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-118086 shag, Drabek's K/bb ratio is unreal, his velocity, command, and pitch assortment is perfect, scouts everywhere are saying hes one of the best arms they've ever seen. How can you say JA Happ is a proven starter when hes hardly been a starter for half of ONE season??? Hes doing great right now and I love it but hes gonna come back down to earth. Drabek is something special and youre blind if you dont see it. shag,
Drabek’s K/bb ratio is unreal, his velocity, command, and pitch assortment is perfect, scouts everywhere are saying hes one of the best arms they’ve ever seen.
How can you say JA Happ is a proven starter when hes hardly been a starter for half of ONE season??? Hes doing great right now and I love it but hes gonna come back down to earth.
Drabek is something special and youre blind if you dont see it.

]]> By: Paulhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117478 Paul Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:40:31 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117478 Happ's got the worst K to BB of any starter on the Phillies, Moyer and Park included. His BABIP is .254, which is well below league average, so when the hits start falling a little more he'll be getting roughed up. His fielder-independent ERA is 4.50, meaning if the Phils quality of defense wasn't behind him, he'd probably still not have great numbers.And never, ever judge a pitcher by their record. Remember, Hamels was 14-10 with an ERA just specks above 3, and Livan Hernandez "won" a million games for Minnesota with a godawful ERA.Happ is going to come back down to earth. All we can do is hope it's for Toronto. I like the guy, but we have to capitalize on his value as it's absolutely overinflated right now. Happ’s got the worst K to BB of any starter on the Phillies, Moyer and Park included. His BABIP is .254, which is well below league average, so when the hits start falling a little more he’ll be getting roughed up. His fielder-independent ERA is 4.50, meaning if the Phils quality of defense wasn’t behind him, he’d probably still not have great numbers.

And never, ever judge a pitcher by their record. Remember, Hamels was 14-10 with an ERA just specks above 3, and Livan Hernandez “won” a million games for Minnesota with a godawful ERA.

Happ is going to come back down to earth. All we can do is hope it’s for Toronto. I like the guy, but we have to capitalize on his value as it’s absolutely overinflated right now.

]]> By: shag beta sigma deltahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117421 shag beta sigma delta Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:40:33 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117421 Nick you are stoned, Drabek has pitched half a season if not less in AA, and you are comparing him to Hamels, pass the joint, I do not see anywhere in my post that says Happ has stuff of an Ace, but reasoning do you have to say hitters will catch up with his stuff, he is a good 3 maybe 2, also I do not think he will never lose a game, but be a guy that will go 7 8 innings, and give up 2 or 3 runs most of his starts, And he has pitched in a pressure situation, never gets frazzeled like KK, and is way better than Eaton. Drabek has pitched in AA, that is all, how many can't miss guys pitch great in AA and do nothing in the Big Show, plenty, SI did a great story on can't miss pitchers in the majors. Get over yourself, a proven starter is more valuable than a maybe prospect Nick you are stoned, Drabek has pitched half a season if not less in AA, and you are comparing him to Hamels, pass the joint,
I do not see anywhere in my post that says Happ has stuff of an Ace, but reasoning do you have to say hitters will catch up with his stuff, he is a good 3 maybe 2, also I do not think he will never lose a game, but be a guy that will go 7 8 innings, and give up 2 or 3 runs most of his starts, And he has pitched in a pressure situation, never gets frazzeled like KK, and is way better than Eaton.
Drabek has pitched in AA, that is all, how many can’t miss guys pitch great in AA and do nothing in the Big Show, plenty,
SI did a great story on can’t miss pitchers in the majors.
Get over yourself, a proven starter is more valuable than a maybe prospect

]]> By: Nickhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117416 Nick Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:16:01 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117416 happ does NOT have the stuff to continue this success. Its only a matter of time before hitters catch on, his stuff is good enough to make his a solid 4-5 starter of a rotation MAYBE a 3, but lets be honest... if you think he's good enough to be an ace or will keep putting up these numbers, you need a reality check.Also I cant believe people are saying trade Drabek over Happ. What a joke. Drabek has better stuff than hamels. happ does NOT have the stuff to continue this success. Its only a matter of time before hitters catch on, his stuff is good enough to make his a solid 4-5 starter of a rotation MAYBE a 3, but lets be honest… if you think he’s good enough to be an ace or will keep putting up these numbers, you need a reality check.

Also I cant believe people are saying trade Drabek over Happ. What a joke. Drabek has better stuff than hamels.

]]> By: karenhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117410 karen Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:57:16 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117410 I am just really, really, really happy that i am not the only one who loves happ as a player and as a future star...he is already at the major league level which is more than can be said about drabek, carrassco, carpenter, etc I am just really, really, really happy that i am not the only one who loves happ as a player and as a future star…he is already at the major league level which is more than can be said about drabek, carrassco, carpenter, etc

]]> By: shag beta sigma deltahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117409 shag beta sigma delta Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:57:13 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117409 Happ has pitched well when he was up last year, and is pitching well this year he has more than one pitch, and liked I stated before, but the next post made it clearer he has composure on the mound, you do not trade him, period. There is no reason he can not get better, what basis do you have in saying we are seeing the best of JA now and people will start to figure him out, he has good stuff, nothing to figure out, he is not a one trick pony. Also has proven he can come out of the bull pen and be a success, this kind of pitcher does not show up in philly very often. As far as Drabek, I am not saying the surgery is a negative, but you really do not know what he will do in big time games. Do I want to trade him no way. But if they are insistant on getting Halladay and have to give some one up to that trade, I would no cry over losing Drebek. Even if he becomes an Ace in the American League, as long as Doc can bring us a title and resign for a reasonable amount for the next 2 or 3 years Happ has pitched well when he was up last year, and is pitching well this year he has more than one pitch, and liked I stated before, but the next post made it clearer he has composure on the mound, you do not trade him, period. There is no reason he can not get better, what basis do you have in saying we are seeing the best of JA now and people will start to figure him out, he has good stuff, nothing to figure out, he is not a one trick pony. Also has proven he can come out of the bull pen and be a success, this kind of pitcher does not show up in philly very often.
As far as Drabek, I am not saying the surgery is a negative, but you really do not know what he will do in big time games. Do I want to trade him no way. But if they are insistant on getting Halladay and have to give some one up to that trade, I would no cry over losing Drebek. Even if he becomes an Ace in the American League, as long as Doc can bring us a title and resign for a reasonable amount for the next 2 or 3 years

]]> By: Pat Gallenhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117391 Pat Gallen Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:28:55 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117391 Phils 09: Yes, he is better than Adam Eaton. My sister is better than him, so thats not fair. But in seriousness, I put Carlton up there to show that the numbers early arent much different. Kendrick was good but faded badly as wek all know. Happ has the stuff to stick around a long, long time, plus is lefty, and good lefties seem to be hard to come by. I agree, there is quite a gap between the two, but I think he projects out to be near the top end of a rotation. Thanks for reading. Phils 09: Yes, he is better than Adam Eaton. My sister is better than him, so thats not fair. But in seriousness, I put Carlton up there to show that the numbers early arent much different. Kendrick was good but faded badly as wek all know.
Happ has the stuff to stick around a long, long time, plus is lefty, and good lefties seem to be hard to come by. I agree, there is quite a gap between the two, but I think he projects out to be near the top end of a rotation. Thanks for reading.

]]> By: phils09http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117380 phils09 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:01:12 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117380 "Let me reiterate, I do not think J.A. Happ is Steve Carlton. But in weighing the two schools of thought, I think he’s got the tools to be much, much better than Kendrick."There's quite a margin there. That's like saying he might not be Cy Young but he's better than Eaton. “Let me reiterate, I do not think J.A. Happ is Steve Carlton. But in weighing the two schools of thought, I think he’s got the tools to be much, much better than Kendrick.”

There’s quite a margin there. That’s like saying he might not be Cy Young but he’s better than Eaton.

]]> By: Mike59http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117377 Mike59 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:56:40 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117377 My thinking in leading a Halladay package with Happ is that Halladay/Hamels/Blanton/Moyer/Pedro > Hamels/Happ/Blanton/Moyer/Pedro. While we don't know what Drabek will be, he profiles as a #1 starter and could be up as soon as next year (though he probably won't be an ace as a rookie). Happ has been terrific this year, but it is also possible that we are seeing the best we will ever see out of him right now. What happens when the league has seen him a few times? He profiles as a 2/3 type and if the Jays will accept Happ in place of prospects with higher ceilings, I'm in favor. Though losing Happ hurts. My thinking in leading a Halladay package with Happ is that Halladay/Hamels/Blanton/Moyer/Pedro > Hamels/Happ/Blanton/Moyer/Pedro. While we don’t know what Drabek will be, he profiles as a #1 starter and could be up as soon as next year (though he probably won’t be an ace as a rookie). Happ has been terrific this year, but it is also possible that we are seeing the best we will ever see out of him right now. What happens when the league has seen him a few times? He profiles as a 2/3 type and if the Jays will accept Happ in place of prospects with higher ceilings, I’m in favor. Though losing Happ hurts.

]]> By: christopherhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117374 christopher Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:48:55 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117374 re: drabek and tommy john's, there is a school of thought that having tommy john's at an early age actually makes you a better pitcher for the rest of your career. i wouldn't cite that as reason to take him down a notch as a prospect. re: drabek and tommy john’s, there is a school of thought that having tommy john’s at an early age actually makes you a better pitcher for the rest of your career. i wouldn’t cite that as reason to take him down a notch as a prospect.

]]> By: Kennedyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117367 Kennedy Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:31:27 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117367 I would trade either Happ or Drabek for Halladay, but not include another A level prospect if I did. A level prospects: Happ, Drabek, Taylor, Brown, Marson, Bastardo. Valued in that order. I would consider Happ or Drabek plus 1 B and 3 Cs though. Like Happ or Drabek plus any of: Bs: Carrasco, Donald, Carpenter, Knapp, Savery and 3 of Cs: Kendrick, Mayberry, Escalona, Berry, Harman, Worley, Stutes, Concecpion, Flande, Cisco.Maybe like Halladay for Happ, Donald, Escalona, Worley, Stutes. Or Halladay for Drabek, Donald, Harman, Worley, Flande. Maybe even Halladay for Taylor, Bastardo, Donald, Carpenter.But I definitely wouldn't give away one of the two most valuable (Happ, Drabek) and another sure thing like Taylor, Brown, Marson, or Bastardo (Bastardo has the tools to be a dominant reliever, or a quality #3 if given time to develop into that role).The pieces are really falling together for a deal to, Jays won't trade inter-division supposedly, Cubs, Rangers, Tigers, Mets, Braves all can't take on salary right now, Dodgers, Brewers, Cardinals can't match us for prospects. Chi Sox and Angels worry me, but we have their farm systems covered easily. So great that the Rangers supposedly don't have the money, ownership is really shooting themselves in the foot. Halladay would pay for himself easily. I would trade either Happ or Drabek for Halladay, but not include another A level prospect if I did. A level prospects: Happ, Drabek, Taylor, Brown, Marson, Bastardo. Valued in that order. I would consider Happ or Drabek plus 1 B and 3 Cs though. Like Happ or Drabek plus any of: Bs: Carrasco, Donald, Carpenter, Knapp, Savery and 3 of Cs: Kendrick, Mayberry, Escalona, Berry, Harman, Worley, Stutes, Concecpion, Flande, Cisco.

Maybe like Halladay for Happ, Donald, Escalona, Worley, Stutes. Or Halladay for Drabek, Donald, Harman, Worley, Flande. Maybe even Halladay for Taylor, Bastardo, Donald, Carpenter.

But I definitely wouldn’t give away one of the two most valuable (Happ, Drabek) and another sure thing like Taylor, Brown, Marson, or Bastardo (Bastardo has the tools to be a dominant reliever, or a quality #3 if given time to develop into that role).

The pieces are really falling together for a deal to, Jays won’t trade inter-division supposedly, Cubs, Rangers, Tigers, Mets, Braves all can’t take on salary right now, Dodgers, Brewers, Cardinals can’t match us for prospects. Chi Sox and Angels worry me, but we have their farm systems covered easily. So great that the Rangers supposedly don’t have the money, ownership is really shooting themselves in the foot. Halladay would pay for himself easily.

]]> By: williamhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117364 william Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:23:36 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117364 drabek is what 21 and already had had TJ sugery and with no way of knowing what he is going to give you in a 1 or 2 vs and established ace who you KNOW is going to give you a run at another WFC is a no brainer if they want drabek, knapp, marson and brown then do it drabek is what 21 and already had had TJ sugery and with no way of knowing what he is going to give you in a 1 or 2 vs and established ace who you KNOW is going to give you a run at another WFC is a no brainer if they want drabek, knapp, marson and brown then do it

]]> By: Chuckhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117362 Chuck Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:22:33 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117362 absolutely, shag....!!!! absolutely, shag….!!!!

]]> By: Chuckhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117361 Chuck Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:21:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117361 key word there....COMPOSURE key word there….COMPOSURE

]]> By: shag beta sigma deltahttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117360 shag beta sigma delta Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:21:06 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117360 I really do not get some of you people in here that say you can trade Happ in a ;deal for Halladay, but you want to keep Drabek, Happ has pitched well in a post season, granted out of the pen, he has the mental make up to be a well above average pitcher, these are things we know. Drabek has a good family tree, had tommy john surgery, and we have no idea what he will do in the Majors, if one has to go it is Drabek to get Halladay I really do not get some of you people in here that say you can trade Happ in a ;deal for Halladay, but you want to keep Drabek, Happ has pitched well in a post season, granted out of the pen, he has the mental make up to be a well above average pitcher, these are things we know.
Drabek has a good family tree, had tommy john surgery, and we have no idea what he will do in the Majors, if one has to go it is Drabek to get Halladay

]]> By: christopherhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117356 christopher Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:11:53 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117356 i think happ will make an effective 3/4 for the rest of his career. will hitters catch onto him a bit more eventually? sure, but nowhere near the extent they did with kendrick, because he has a wider variety of pitches, more deception to his fastball, and better composure. i think happ will make an effective 3/4 for the rest of his career. will hitters catch onto him a bit more eventually? sure, but nowhere near the extent they did with kendrick, because he has a wider variety of pitches, more deception to his fastball, and better composure.

]]> By: Richiehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117354 Richie Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:06:53 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117354 Very well written piece Pat, I liked it. Granted he is not the second coming of Steve Carlton and does not have the stuff of an ace, but did Glavine or Pettite have that either? He looks a heck of a lot like those guys and he is still developing some pitches along the way. He is not going to strike out the side like Hamels can, but he can "PITCH" and that is a very key quality. He"gets it"! Very well written piece Pat, I liked it. Granted he is not the second coming of Steve Carlton and does not have the stuff of an ace, but did Glavine or Pettite have that either? He looks a heck of a lot like those guys and he is still developing some pitches along the way. He is not going to strike out the side like Hamels can, but he can “PITCH” and that is a very key quality. He”gets it”!

]]> By: Chuckhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117353 Chuck Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:00:32 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117353 Right now......Happ>Hamels Happ>Moyer Happ>Lopez/Pedro Happ=BlantonDON'T TRADE HIM!! Right now……

Happ>Hamels
Happ>Moyer
Happ>Lopez/Pedro
Happ=Blanton

DON’T TRADE HIM!!

]]> By: Mannyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117352 Manny Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:59:35 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117352 ROY! ROY! ROY!Would anyone in their right mind trade a strong ROY candidate? Nope. ROY!
ROY!
ROY!

Would anyone in their right mind trade a strong ROY candidate? Nope.

]]> By: Mannyhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/07/the-value-of-james-anthony-happ/comment-page-1/#comment-117350 Manny Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:55:17 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=6427#comment-117350 Bringing up the Carlton comparison was to counter all those who insist on comparing's Happ's 2009 season to Kendrick's 2007. A very good article... I hope Happ can keep producing and stays healthy for the rest of the season. Bringing up the Carlton comparison was to counter all those who insist on comparing’s Happ’s 2009 season to Kendrick’s 2007. A very good article… I hope Happ can keep producing and stays healthy for the rest of the season.

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