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Pedro actually was pretty sharp early on.
The guy hasn’t pitched in the majors for a year… you had to figure he’d hit the wall in his first start…

he hit 93..
he located for the most part…

he’s gonna be fine.. Moyer will never start again for the Phillies

pedro didn’t look bad for a guy who hasn’t pitched in the majors in nearly a year and he was going against a pretty good lineup too.

the difference is that Moyer has been pitching in the majors for the last year..
and in august still has an ERA of almost 6… throws 80 mph….and gave up 11 hits that game.

Pedro, missed a year and this was his first start!!!! give him a break…he could have easily let the Cubs hang around, let them score right back after the Phils did.

oh and he HIT 93 MPH.

he’s going to be good for this team…

give him a break… he hasnt pitched in a year, he wasnt properly stretched out to go deep…and they wouldnt run him out there in his first start for the hell of it…
he had 99 pitches.

he’ll be fine.

and does anyone know when bruntlett will be off the major league roster?i know this was a blow out but whenever the guy come in he screws up some how i mean i’d rather em bring up someone like cervenak or something just to get rid of him.

george, look at the bright side, he at least got that diving catch for the out just after coming in. I was REALLY surprised Bruntlett did that. Marty, Why assume anyone was talking about Moyer? Also, the Worst Fans in MLB award now rests with the Chicago Cubs, they should be proud. They call us “bad fans” because we throw snowballs at Santa Clause, oh boo hoo. Idiots.

George, they call us bad fans because we threw snowballs at Santa Clause, in what 1978, and for booing the team when they are actually playing really poorly. So we are labeled for one (eagles) game in 1978, and for actually “speaking” the truth by actually booing when they look like crap. i.e see the Marlins Series. I could give a rats @$$ what they think, because if when our teams arent doing well, we STILL pack the stadium. Call me biased, but we are the most passionate loyal PHans in MLB.

I 100% agree with you george.

pedro for the ashburn award? he pitched alright but victorino had a homer a triple and took a beer in the face

I agree with the Moyer vs Martinez comparison. Who gives a crap about age and fastball speed, Park throws harder than Happ.
Moyer threw 5IN with only 2ER and gets negative comments because the team sucked that game and got killed.
Martinez threw 5IN with 3ER and it was great start and big win because we scored 12 runs before Pedro needed a 10th out! This was not even a quality start with some people saying if he just gives us that performance each time out we should be in good shape. WHAT? His ERA is just as bad as Moyer’s and I certainly hope he can pitch at least 6IN. Maybe we can predict Martinez with get better but he’s 37 and could rarely pitch late into games 5 years ago.

All the reporters/ bloggers who report this start as great and Moyer’s as terrible just have no objectivity.

PhxPhilly, you are using common sense. That has been illegal since January 20th.

Exactly my point from before “As long as Moyer is out people are happy.” Regardless of how he actually pitched, people hate him. raised his ERA to 8 huh? LOL. FYI his ERA since May 20th was 4.40 right? Didnt think so, you are too fixated on the TOTAL ERA, and not the fact that it hasnt been getting higher, but lower.

moyer has no upside. Pedro does. It is that simple.

I do agree with that Keith. I dont think Moyer will even be playing next season. I have this feeling that even when he was “negotiating” for the 2nd year, it was more of a statement that he wants to retire a Philly. Since he grew up a Phillies Phan, went to school at St Joes. Just a feeling. Hope im right, since he is barely hanging on now. He has been pitching better than John Smoltz. LOL. Not sure if thats an accomplishment though. LOL

@ Keith, there are no performance incentives that let the Phils off the hook for next year’s salary but there are incentives in his contract this year based on Innings Pitched, Starts and a few other things. I don’t think those incentives played into the decision at all.

A couple of things. I am as happy as anyone to see Moyer not in the rotation, maybe not as happy as others to see Pedro in the rotation. I’ll be very honest. I have always rooted for the Red Sox as well as the Phillies. Not nearly with the same passion but I always would like to see the Sox do well. This stems from my father growing up a Red Sox fan. Ironically, over the years, as the Sox have become what they are, my passion for them has dwindled to the point that I almost don’t care. If it wasn’t for Beckett being on the team and being someone that I have met and shared a drink with on more than one occasion then I wouldn’t care at all.(Beckett was the best man at my cousin’s wedding, they were in the Marlins farm system together) Anyway, even as I rooted for the Sox, I was never a huge Pedro fan. Sure he was good, great even but I never much cared for his attitude. He seemed like a me first kind of guy. Kind of like Manny Ramirez. Funny, goofy but in the end it was about him. Why am I telling you all this? Just to show that I am not biased in my following statements.

When the Phillies first signed Pedro I felt that he would be best utilized out of the bullpen as I felt he could be dominate in short bursts. His starts in the minors, and again last night showed exactly that. He was dominate for a few innings. Painting the corners and changing speeds like he had been doing it for the last 18 months. Then came the 5th inning and he hit a wall, and some of the hits he gave up, they weren’t bloopers like what got to Moyer in his last start.

Pedro was effective last night, he wasn’t great, and honestly, he wasn’t much better than what Moyer did in his last start. But the difference is, as someone pointed out is upside. The Phillies have had the whole year to evaluate Moyer and what they saw is a stat line that is not acceptable for a 5th starter on a championship caliber team. Plain and simple. Moyer is not a serviceable 5th starter and I don’t understand how anyone can say that he is. Even a 5th starter should be able to put up better numbers than a 5.47 era. And please don’t come at me with, he leads the team in wins. We have beaten that horse and its offspring to death. Moyer did well in July. No denying that but his August was not very kind to him. Sure, you can pull stats from a certain time frame and paint a picture that supports the case that Moyer deserves to be in the rotation, and I can pull stats from a time frame and paint a completely different picture. In the end it comes down to this, and this alone.

With Moyer, the Phillies knew what they had, and didn’t like it anymore, with Pedro, they have the opportunity to sit back and watch and see how he does. If he is in improvement then great, if he is just as bad if not worse than Moyer than it was a failed experiment. But how can you blame the team for not being complacent and wanting to try and improve. Not every move that is made is a successful one, but every move that isn’t made isn’t always a success either. Let’s ride it out, see how Pedro does. The fact is, come playoff time, if we get there. Neither Pedro or Moyer will be in the rotation anyway.

Say it ain’t so Edr….. Say it ain’t so…… The Red Sox. I know it’s not your fault. But noooooooooooooooo………………………………….Billy Buckner!

If Pedro stays healthy this move will make RA the GM of the year. RA has done enough already to warrant serious consideration. I used to call RA a “Yes Man.” Not anymore. If Lidge struggles continue, and I sure hope he turns it around. But Pedro and Myers could possibly replace Lidge and Durbin if we make the playoffs. Or at least Todd Walker.

Edr. I meant no offense. I guess it just means that you must hate the Mets 2x as much as everyone else on here.

It’s cool. I didn’t take any offense to it. I do pretty much hate the Met’s more than any team in baseball, with the Yankees a close second. Though I think most of my hatred for the Met’s stems from their rivalry with the Phillies more than the 86 World Series. Also I have no love lost for the Cubs or the Dodgers. The Cubs just annoy me.

Hopefully Kendrick. I’m not sure though. You’re Texas Walker Stranger has been really good.

I’m happy the Phillies won last night and blew the dust off their bats. Cubs’ pitching was exactly what the doctor ordered. I don’t like Jamie being stuck on the fence and disliked Pedro coming to the Phils because:

a/he was a Met
b/the Mets dropped him
c/we shouldn’t pick up leftovers from the Mets

I’m still withholding my acceptance because it’s easier to pitch with a large lead since the opposing batters are extending themselves to score runs. I will credit Pedro for pitching five innings considering he’s rusty. It’s not a good pickup until his numbers reflect an improvement over Jamie.

p.s. I use the DVR to reply the beer throw last night. The guy with the wrist band, that acted innocent when the guards came, was about three people to the left of the guy who the guards removed. The as** had the gall to point and laugh at the guy being hauled out. Hope they eventually apprehended and fined him.

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Manny that would have made more sense. More drama too.

Repeat.. how old are you? If you dont mind…

I’m happy that Pedro got the win and it looked like he had good stuff… a decent fastball tailing away from righthanders and a solid changeup. The Cubs were fouling off a lot of pitches and were pretty patient with him and he still managed to keep them in check. His breaking pitch was a little inconsistent but it looked really good at times. If he can keep his changeup down, he’ll be just fine… he did give up a lot of fly balls and line drives and you have to wonder how that will translate at CBP.

Listen, I’m really happy with the performance and I think that Pedro deserves the nod over Moyer (if you’re going with a 5 man rotation, he’s gotta be the odd man out right now) but it’s pretty clear that there’s a double standard… 5 innings pitched, 7H and 3 ER is nothing to write home about. In one breath, you crucify Moyer for not going deep and not having an acceptable ERA and being a lucky pitcher and the next you give Pedro the Ashburn for pitching an average game.

Ex-pitchers, our starting lineup went 14 for 36… 7 for 11 with RISP. I would have probably given the Ashburn to Jimmy… but then again, people on here don’t like Jimmy, either. His 3 run homerun after Piniella made the pitching change to turn him around changed the complexion of the game.

I really wonder if Pedro did as well as he did because of the run support or if he would have been ineffective if it was 2-1 for awhile or if the Cubs had the lead. There is no question that he had to benefit at least a little from the offensive outburst.