J.A. Happ to the Bullpen: Good Idea/Bad Idea
Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, August 05, 2009 08:04 AM | Comments: 132
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To be honest, I was never a cartoon watcher as a kid. While others sat in after school to keep up with Spidey and Batman, I read the newspaper; breaking down hitter tendencies and studying the league leaders.
One funny cartoon segment I do remember is “Good Idea/Bad Idea” from “Animaniacs.” If you’re unfamiliar with it, here’s a clip:
Anyway, it’s a fine way to separate the pros and cons of this J.A. Happ situation. As many of you already have heard, it’s a real possibility Happ gets demoted back to the bullpen. Sure, it’s a tough job and someone has to do it, but after going 7-2 through 13 starts, Happ deserves better, no? Here is a breakdown of why it is a good idea to put J.A. in a relief role, and why it is bad idea to place him there. After reading the ideas, feel free to draw a conclusion on the situation.
- GOOD IDEA: Happ in the ‘pen gives the Phillies another left handed pitcher to go to, and one that can give them multiple innings.
- BAD IDEA: Happ doesn’t deserve this – he has been outstanding in the starting rotation.
- GOOD IDEA: His presence out there strengthens an important part of the game, and one that the Phillies have struggled with this year.
- BAD IDEA: Yeah, but, the starters have struggled a bit too.
- GOOD IDEA: With Cliff Lee joining the Phillies, and with Pedro Martinez due a shot to start, Happ is expendable.
- BAD IDEA: Bullcorn! Happ is the fourth wheel with Lee, Hamels, and Blanton. Plus, Pedro hasn’t thrown a pitch in the majors since last year. He doesn’t deserve the spot.
- GOOD IDEA: Putting Happ in a reliever spot limits his workload for this season, ensuring a fresh arm next year.
- BAD IDEA: It’s a win-now league, and Happ is helping the Phillies in spades right now.
- GOOD IDEA: Back to Pedro; this gives the Phillies a chance to see what that $1 million signing got them.
- BAD IDEA: Pedro hasn’t proven anything in the minors yet. Plus, shouldn’t Moyer have to give up his spot anyway? He hasn’t been pitching all that well.
- GOOD IDEA: Placing Happ in the bullpen will make him want to be a better starter. Think about it; it will get his engine revved high after feeling slighted for a second time this season.
- BAD IDEA: What if moving him kills his psyche? It’s a lot to ask of a young pitcher, all that jumping around.
- GOOD IDEA: It becomes a pressure cooker in the late months, so sending him to the bullpen eases Happ into the bigs.
- BAD IDEA: That could backfire. The only way to learn is by doing, so let him throw deep into the season and lets see what the boy is made of.
- GOOD IDEA: He’s a better alternative than Steven Register, Jack Taschner, Rodrigo Lopez, and Kyle Kendrick.
- BAD IDEA: Can’t argue with that.
- GOOD IDEA: Six man rotation?
- BAD IDEA: Not a bad idea.
While I can’t say I love the idea of Happ being relegated to spot duty again, it may be the direction Charlie Manuel goes. There has to be some sort of pressure coming from the front office to see what they have in Pedro Martinez, plus with a depleted pen at this point, it can only help. On the other hand, why mess with success? Happ doesn’t deserve to be moved because he has been so damn good.
It’s certainly a fine dilemma to be in if you’re the Phillies, but not one J.A. Happ wants to be a part of.
Posts: 0 Stuart
Terrible idea. Especially with the way our other starting pitchers have been inconsistent. He is one of the few that has been pitching good almost every outing. We need him in our starting rotation.
Posted: 08:17 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Rick in MA
It seems to me that it’s time for Jamie to start thinking about hanging them up. He’s become so dependent on the umpire’s strike zone being enormous that it’s very painful to watch him when it’s not.
Last night was a perfect example. That umpire was not calling anything on the corners and look what happened. I don’t know how many times he was ahead of a hitter 0-2 or even 1-2 and ended up either giving up a hit or a walk. It was often though. Garrett Atkins homerun was a perfect example. He was down 0-2 when Jamie served him.
Through it all though, he does have the most wins on the staff right now. I think it’s mostly due to ridiculous run support though. Although he did pitch really well in July.
Posted: 08:19 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Rick in MA
Woops meant to post that under the post game wrap. Oh well…
Posted: 08:19 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Rick in MA
J.A. should definitely remain in the rotation. He’s been pitching better and more consistently than Cole throughout the year to this point.
Posted: 08:22 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff of NoVa.
After watching last night’s game I think we all know who should go to the pen
Posted: 08:25 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder
I’m only have confidence in Lee, Happ, and Blanton at this point. Hamels is having a bad season, Moyer has been awful, and Pedro was washed up three years ago. Since Amaro is so enamored with Pedro, it may be time for Moyer to be persuaded to come down with a mysterious “injury”. He could take the rest of the month off and come back when the rosters expand in September. It doesn’t look like Jamie has any interest in retiring, and I don’t think the Phillies want to take the PR hit by releasing him.
Posted: 08:36 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Keith E
Happ will be back in no time at all. The Pedro experiment won’t produce another starter. The big picture for Happ is the next ten years not the next ten weeks like Pedro is looking toward. Happ will wait this out with the same professional attitude that he took when he out pitched Park in spring training and was sent to the pen. As for the psyche aspect. The bottom line is you’re drawing an MLB paycheck or you’re not drawing one. Learn to handle adversity and pitch where needed and enjoy a longer career.
GO PHILLIES!!!
Posted: 08:36 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Philly Texan
Yeah, it’s a terrible idea.
I think a lot depends on Happ’s start tonight. If Happ pitches well, it will be impossible to put him in the pen. Charlie would never remove a hot starting pitcher. But if Happ struggles, it will make three straight rough starts and provide the excuse they need to turn to Pedro.
Posted: 09:09 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Greg V.
Happ is a horse out there! Putting him in the pen would be a horrible mistake! I’m sorry I love Jamie Moyer. He’ll always be a hero to me. But let’s be honest here. We are a contending team and when it comes time for that spot in the rotation, if you ask me who I would march out there, it would be Happ. I think Moyer would agree as well. I’m not sure what is to be done with Moyer. I don’t see him as a reliever. But it’s important to stick with Happ right now.
Posted: 09:19 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
It is the worst idea i’ve heard all year for Happ to be placed in the bullpen …. he wouldn’t become the Closer, Setup Man, or even a Situational-Lefty … which means he’s a 6th-inning guy
And as we all know, if you’re going to your bullpen in the 5th-6th innings, its because you are in trouble.. so what does it matter who that guy is?
The pitcher giving you the best chance to NEED to go to the bullpen in the 5th-6th inning has been Moyer
And the pitcher giving you the best chance to AVOID going to the bullpen in the 5th-6th innings.. has been Happ (and Blanton…)
If they put Happ in the bullpen and say that Romero and Durbin aren’t healthy enough to take 6th-7th-8th inning work, I could understand that.. but to put Happ in the bullpen just because “Moyer isn’t a bullpen guy” ??? Is ridiculous
right now Moyer isn’t a ROTATION GUY either.. and he’s been the most inconsistent pitcher on our staff… his stuff is usually pretty good for 2-3 innings.. so why not let him get those innings, only when needed, from the pen ??
Posted: 09:36 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Mazinman
I think that a six man rotation, assuming Pedro works things out in the minors, would be a great idea. We have a good enough lead, and our six starters would be good enough in caliber, that we could do a six man rotation from here to the beginning of the playoffs. That way all of the starters are well rested by the time the playoffs come.
Now, as to the topic of Happ in the bullpen, I think its a bit premature as Pedro Martinez still has a lot to prove before being able to put him in as a starter. His last performance suggested to me he might do better in a relief role. Lets see how Happ does tonight and how Pedro does tomorrow and then see what happens.
Posted: 09:45 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Manny
HORRIBLE IDEA. It’s not even an argument, especially after you-know-who was owned last night.
And even in that case, I’ll still keep Moyer in the rotation UNTIL Pedro proves he can take his spot.
The top 4 (Lee, Blanton, Hamels, Happ) should stay put. The last spot is still Moyer’s…
Good points, Don…
Posted: 09:46 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Um, we shouldnt be talking about JA Happ to the bullpen. Anybody that would send him to the bullpen in place of kicking Moyer out of the rotation (if that is indeed the choice) is INSANE – including the Phillies management staff.
You saw what Moyer did last night at home against a good offense with one of the most respected home plate umpires in all of baseball calling balls and strikes. Just total embarrassment.
To take a sometimes good but mostly mediocre or worse old man over a young mid-rotation starter whos just now coming into his own is an absolutely horrible decision. If theyre going to send Happ to the bullpen they might as well have just traded him away for something. If they indeed do this, it could make Happ one of the most mismanaged talents the Phillies have EVER had.
Rodrigo Lopez also showed us last night why he hasnt pitched out of the bullpen – like ever. To ask him to do something so unfamiliar was a blunder. If Lopez isnt going to be in the rotation he should be sent down to AAA or waiver-traded for a utility Infielder or relief pitcher.
I expect Jamie Moyer to be released or retire allowing Pedro Martinez to take his spot in the rotation. He cant really be any worse. Ja Happ holds onto his spot in the rotation while the old man steps aside. You obviously cant use Moyer out of the bullpen, so it would be the end of the road at least on this team for Jamie. Hed either be waiver-traded or released or retire. I still think the Phillies will send Happ to the pen for some reason and stubbornly keep Moyer in there, but that is completely insane and backwards from every single baseball perspective.
Posted: 09:51 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Im not for a 6-man rotation either if two of the pitchers are Moyer and Pedro. Thats enough of a strain on the bullpen. But consider Hamels isnt himself and one of the other guys could occasionally have a bad start and thats an extreme tax on teh bullpen. If you wanna do that you shoudl go out and waiver-trade for about 3 more relief pitchers because youre going to need them when there are 3 more injured members of the bullpen that wont come back in time for the postseason.
Posted: 09:54 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
6-man rotation means that Cliff Lee, Joe Blanton, etc.. pitch LESS .. that’s not smart .. I would be in favor of a 4-man rotation before I would be of a 6-man
Posted: 10:01 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Manny
I agree…the 6-man rotation is a bad, bad idea especially when Pedro and Moyer and Hamels will RARELY give you more than 6…
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Interesting thing about Moyer: Each year, Moyer can make 1.5M in incentives… maybe the team wants to saves those 3M? Yet another argument to prefer Happ over Moyer in the rotation…
Posted: 10:01 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 CZ
Food for thought – JA Happ has the 12th best fastball in all of baseball per Fangraphs.com. Cliff Lee comes in at 18th. Very interesting data. We all know Happ has been outperforming his ‘peripherals’ for a while now and likely is due for a rockier second half but this data suggests he is very much for real despite that fact.
Best FB in all of baseball? Jarrod Washburn
Posted: 10:24 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck
Bad idea…..
1) Happ has been fairly consistent, even though he has gotten roughed up the past two starts and his wins were against teams that basically suck.
2) Moyer’s role needs to be re-thought. Why not put HIM in the pen if it comes to that. Yeah, the spot is his to lose and last night is an indication that that time may be coming ever closer.
3) Pedro……PLEASE…..the man hasn’t thrown a major league pitch since last year. He deserves to start right away? I don’t think so.
4) I agree….Lopez was horrible last night out of the pen. Is that really HIS role or is he better as a starter. Based on what has happened so far, I am going with the latter.
This rotation should be:
Lee
Hamels
Blanton
Happ
Moyer/Lopez
Posted: 10:26 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 CZ
Also – Hamels last year had the best Change in all of baseball…this year it is currently ranked 29th! His FB has also declined dramatically. Not that any of us couldn’t tell that with our own two eyes. In fact Joe Blanton is the one on the staff who’s Changeup has performed best (13th). Not suprisingly Tim Lincecum has far and away the best changeup in baseball this year.
Posted: 10:32 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Miles
Once again Geoff, you fail to put any perspective on this situation. You can’t say that there is no way Pedro would be worse than Jamie, that’s ludicrous. The guy just gave up 5 runs in a AAA game and that’s the only game he has pitched in above single A since sometime last year. Jamie, on the other end, has been bad but has a respectable ERA since the beginning of June (remember his performances against Florida and Arizona since the break). Pedro could DEFINITELY be worse than Jamie. Until he proves himself at AAA, I don’t understand why the Phillies would even consider him right now.
A 6 man rotation doesn’t make sense considering you just got Cliff Lee. That’s like trading for Longoria and benching him once a week. The Phils need Lee and Blanton out there every 5th day. The other three days should include Happ and Hamels and then frankly I don’t give a damn what they do with the other spot. BUT, to those who think that Jamie is so bad that Pedro could not possibly be any worse….you may be disappointed.
Posted: 10:34 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
The problem is that if Pedro is worse than Jamie that means BOTH of them cant be in the rotation. Lopez isnt really good enough either once he was figured out. So youd either have to call someone up or hope Myers can come back or waiver-trade for some cheap rental who can hold down the 5th spot for like 5 starts.
Then all of a sudden ALL THAT excess pitches isnt really excess at all, its a paucity. Every time the media comes out and says a team has excess pitching (like the local Philly media did last week) then things happen and all of a sudden they dont have enough pitching.
Moyer has been so abd that itd be hard for Pedro to be worse, but if he is, which is entirely possible, then NIETHER of them is an option. Then Lopez isnt an option. Myers wont be stretched out in time to come back presumably (but hes pitching a sim game this week, maybe even today, so it depends how many pitches he gets). If Brett Myers battles back from yet another kind of setback again, Id have to think about re-signing him for a hometown discount, or at least trying to. I know they have Drabek waiting in the wings but its hard to let a proven major league starting pitching walk away.
Posted: 10:44 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Lee-Blanton-Hamels-Happ-Moyer until Martinez can show us more. Martinez should replace Moyer.
how could anyone seriously put Martinez/Moyer back to back. It’s suicide for the bull pen. They’ll all end up back on the DL.
Posted: 10:45 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 CZ
I think we do have to break down Pedro’s start a bit though and look at more than just the result. He only allowed 4 earned runs and 3 of those came in the 5th inning when he clearly ran out of gas. The first pitch of the game went for a home run but he was almost spotless between then and the the 5th innning. His velocity was good he was getting swings and misses. To me, he just needs more conditioning and to work his armstrength up to 6-7 innings. Then there is no doubt in my mind that he has more potential and a higher upside than Moyer.
I love Moyer, I respect him for what he done and meant to this team. Specifically his ability to mentor the other pitchers on the staff. I think we see results of that when Happ goes out on the mound. However, his numbers in July are skewed by the fact that he faced some teams that he feats on (DBacks & Marlins) and team that couldn’t hit my grandmother at the time (Mets). This team needs to put the guy on the mound that gives them the best chance to win – and in the end if that hurts someone’s feelings so be it. Pedro deserves a shot to start so we can see what we have. 1-4 have to remain set (Lee, Blanton, Hamels, Happ) but 5 may remain a revolving door. I say just keep going with the hot hand…whomever that may be.
Posted: 10:46 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Joe
Moyer and Pedro both need to be spot starters or relievers as the situation deems necessary. The big 4 needs to remain intact.
Posted: 10:57 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck
Ok…I can see the argument that Pedro needs to be evaluated to see what we have. IF he gets a start, it HAS to be against a lousy team. The next five series after this weekend with the Marlins are against the Cubs (NO), the Braves (MAYBE), D-Backs (YES), Mets (MAYBE…certainly would be interesting) and Pirates (YES).
After that possible start we see what we have in him and go from there. Certainly the schedule will be tough from the perspective of no days off for awhile starting on Aug 18th so using him like that wouoldn’t hurt the rest of the rotation.
Posted: 10:57 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
What time is Pedro’s start today in Reading?
Posted: 11:01 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Moyer gave up 9 runs in only a few innings vs the pirates 2 years ago.
Posted: 11:10 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
Could Charlie go with a 6 man rotation but alternate the 5/6 guys (and occasionally rest the other guys)?
That is, one week go with:
Hamels
Lee
Blanton
Happ
Martinez (Moyer out of pen)
The next week go with
Hamels
Lee
Blanton
Happ
Moyer (Martinez out of pen)
Posted: 11:27 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Georgie
psujoe, Reading game starts at 7:05 tonight, but the weather looks a bit questionable.
Posted: 11:28 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 LH
Good pros and cons but I believe Pedro is the better choice for the pen. Pedro doesn’t look like he’s ready, even for the pen, for another week or maybe two after he’s shellacking in AAA. Is there waiver deal that is being decided? Is the Phil’s staff willing to wait with their current worried about the bull pen? Lopez was left to play another inning last night because Charlie may have taken a page from La Russo’s playbook that some games are unattainable and better to save the relief for another day. I like that Charlie is able to bend with his regular philosophy, that the offense can always come back, when a different trend like the bullpen presents itself. Should we lose a quality starter to fill the pen’s vacuum? Charlie has shown that he values respect and will leave Happ in his current position because he has earned it. Let’s see how the games are play out over the next two weeks. We got lucky last night with a Florida loss. The heat will begin to be felt unless our team’s starters and offense can delay management’s decision with victories, (or loses by mediocre contenders), until injuries heal and real relief arrives in mid-August.
Posted: 11:35 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Aaron
maybe they should put Moyer and Happ in the Pen so when Martinez starts and goes 4 innings, Moyer could pitch 2 and Happ could pitch the other 3 lol. Unrealistic but funny idea.
Posted: 11:36 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck
Basically, with that kind of alternating, it sort of like saying that Moyer and Pedro are spot starters/long relievers. Not such a bad thing with the schedule being demanding with no days off.
Posted: 11:41 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
I think that Pedro would benefit from the extra time off (might not be ready to go 7 innings in back to back starts)… and Moyer would accept that role. Plus, with Cole not being Cole and Happ still learning the ropes, you would expect that those guys might require an extra few days off down the stretch. You throw one of those guys in and hopefully, get everyone 100% for the playoffs.
Posted: 11:52 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 CZ
You can’t really do that because you have to hold a roster spot for that 6th guy who isn’t even pitching. He could be used in the bullpen in the interim I guess but it just doesn’t make sense. Unfortunately the writing is on the wall for Happ’s move to the pen. They painted themselves into a corner with Moyer. They are paying him too much to not pitch. Plus, he can’t just be sent to the minors at their convenience – he would have to accept that type of move – and he is NOT a bullpen type pitcher. Think of all of the times he’s been smacked around in the first inning – it’s just asking for trouble.
To top it all off Pedro and Happ are both pitching tonight which aligns Pedro’s regular rest with Happ’s spot in the rotation. Maybe its just a coincidence but it would make it a really smooth transition to just slide Pedro into that spot in a few starts.
Posted: 11:52 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 CZ
Nice article on Cole – proves he has been VERY unlucky this year – as I’ve been saying for a while.
http://www.thegoodphight.com/2009/8/5/978193/whats-going-on-with-cole
Posted: 11:55 AM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Brian of CO
CZ, The article is saying that the Defense is to blame. Last time I checked the Phillies Defense is among the best in MLB, with the fewest amount of errors. To me the Article doesnt prove anything.
Posted: 12:27 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
Sounds like somone is trying get us all worked up for nothing. JA Happ to the PEN? IT’S NOT GOING TO TO “HAPP”-EN!
Posted: 12:38 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
minus one TO
Posted: 12:39 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 nationals#1
My sister just saw John mayberry driving south on 476, wonder what he’s going to Philly for?
Posted: 12:58 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 phils_ftw
Moving Happ to the pen would be a bigger mistake than it was to sign Pedro in the first place.
Posted: 12:59 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Gavin
If Happ pitches well tonight, I dont think he goes to the pen. What I do think you can do is this.
1) Let Moyer go on the DL (bunyon, the gout, hemorroids) until the Pedro experiment has proven itslef fruitful or not. Or….
2) You go with a modified 6 man rotation. Pick and choose when Moyer starts. If he doesnt start for a 9 or 10 days he gets some cleanup work for the pen. You could pick and choose which teams you want him to go against (ala FLA) or you can pick and choose which umpires he pitches with.
He wont be released, sent down, retire…..and they have said he wont go to the pen, I dont see any other solution. If Amaro sends Happ to the pen, I’ll really question his ability to manage the 25 man roster at this point.
If Happ goes 4 and a third tonight walking 4, giving up 8 hits and 7 runs, then he will be sent to the pen like it or not.
Posted: 01:14 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 JeffK
Agree w/ Gavin’s first point … put Moyer on the DL until Pedro shows if he has anything left in the tank. That said, can anyone think of the situation where Moyer comes in from the Pen (assuming the Pedro thing works out)?
I love Moyer as much as the next person, but can anyone confidently say they prefer him in the rotation going into September/October? Or, worse yet, in Game 3/4 of a playoff series?
Gotta be Lee, Hamels, Blanton, Happ, Pedro …
Posted: 01:21 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Right or wrong Moyer is not going to get DL’d and he’s not going to the Pen. It’ll be Happ or Martinez based on Pedro’s performance.
Posted: 01:30 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Brian of CO
Everyone keeps talking about Playoffs this, playoffs that, who is going to win “when” we are in the playoffs. Maybe the team should go back to what they did in the July and play baseball. The offense has done nothing in the last week, the 7 game lead is down to 5 games, and the Marlins are playing the Nationals. If we cant start winning games again, that 5 game lead will slip away to 3. Last season we had a 3 game lead shortly after the All Star break, then did what we are doing now which is lose. Last season it was the Mutts who took over 1st because of that slide, and because they had mastered the art of choking, we took the East. I know for a fact that this team has what it takes to win the NL East, NL and WS, but will they pull out of this slump in time before losing 1st place. All Teams hit slumps, but I am not as certain that if we lose first this year the Marlins will pull a Mets and choke. Lets not get to far ahead of ourselves folks, and “hope” for a third NL East title, then start thinking about Playoffs.
Posted: 01:36 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Brian, Relax. Happ gets us back on track tonight. uhm, everyone except Howard of course. Can anyone play first base besides Bruntlett so Howard can get a day off?
Posted: 01:41 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Brian of CO
The Offense needs to score runs to get a win. Its not on Happ alone. The Offense needs to get on track also, not just Happ.
Posted: 01:53 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Here’s a really good write-up of what a dolt JP Riccardi was in the Halladay “no trade’ tals. What an a$$.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/08/05/bluejays.halladay/index.html
Posted: 01:56 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Brian, I know. I just think tonight’s the night(except Howard). I think Happ keeps it close and the team finally busts out. De La Rossa has been hot, he’s lefty, the Phils are slumping. As in stocks sometimes the contrarian play is the correct play.
Posted: 02:01 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff
I just hope Pedro gives up ten runs tonight. I dont want him on this team. Keep Happ in the rotation. Throw Moyer out in the garbage. BRING UP DRABEK BABY….Number five. Learn from Lee and he will not do any worse then Old Man Moyer. Did you hear Atkins on the Rockies station after the game. Moyer is so much fun to hit off of. Its like batting practice. LOL Quoted from his mouth.
Posted: 02:04 PM on August 5, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck
Dobbs can play 1B….Chris Coste could….but……..
Posted: 02:04 PM on August 5, 2009