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Jeff……first off….why would you want Pedro to fail..??….he could give us options, either in the pen or the rotation. Wanting him to fail is not productive.

Second, Drabek is not ready for the rotation. When he’s called up in Sept when the rosters expans he many get a start but, most likely, he’ll throw out of the pen.

Third, Moyer in the garbage?? Granted, he’s not as good as his 10 wins….but he’s not “garbage” either.

LOL Chuck.

Dobbs is no help against a lefty though. Francisco ever play 1B? I’m gonna go check.

I meant he, not we.

Jeff- why would you hope that Pedro gives up 10 runs tonight? Wouldn’t it be better if he found “it?” At one time, Pedro was one of the most dominant pitchers of this generation… why can’t he be that guy for a few months? I hope that he is lights out and proves that he can help this team down the stretch…

Everyone knows that Happ deserves to be in the rotation. Thats not the issue. Happ is the only guy that knows how to pitch outta the pen and thats why he’s going. No one said life is fair. I think the disconnect comes on this issue because fans think that its easy to pitch outta the pen. That anyone can do it. By all accounts, its not. Moyer could very well be a lost lamb in the pen. Pedro hasn’t done but my guess is he could. But lets face it…you gotta give Pedro his shot. I’m sure he was promised a shot at starting. When Lee got here everything got screwy. Happ will be fine. he knows the drill. You want someone to blame, blame the one dimensional fossil who gets his face blown off every start.

The Dipsy

Exactly, Original………GO PEDRO!!!!

@ Brian – Did you read the article? It lists the Ultimate Zone Ratings of the Phillies defenders and illustrates that they are not playing defense as well as they did last year. That does not always amount to more errors. It simply means that for whatever reason those guys are not GETTING TO as many balls as last year. Fielding statistics like this are a relatively new idea therefore since the Phils again have a high fielding% the common response would be to assume they are as good as last year. Also, the article also accounts for Hamels’ poor ERA by stating that his BABIP is just bad luck. How many times have there been bloop hits that no fielder could get to this year. BABIP is a statistic that generally normalizes to a career norm. The fact that his is60 points above his career average is a major anomaly. All the rest of his peripheral statistics are better than his career year last year. The numbers don’t lie.

Trust me, Atkins has no class, and is an idiot. I live in Colorado, I have to hear the stupidity on a daily basis. I absolutely HATE the Rockies and the announcers. Complete morons.

CZ, Hamels is not just giving up base hits that the Phillies arent getting to. Many are the bloopers that NO ONE can get to. When he does that, you can blame it on the fielding. Seeing how great the Defense was last season, I can see how they might not be as great, but the Article blamed ALL of Hamels problems on the Defense. So if the Defense is the problem, explain Happ and Blanton, and now Lee? Hamels is having a horrible year, flat out. You can look at number this and numbers that, but when you break out number in 100 different ways, they will be lower to make it look better.

Oh wow, what a total douche. Show some respect! At least Moyer will go down in history with his 250+ wins…

First off Pedro has not been that guy for 6 -7 years. He is done. Sticking around like the greats. Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Marvin Harrison, Emit Smith, ETC. All players that stayed around to long. Pedro did nothing for the Mets. Hamels is an MVP. Moyer is garbage. Staying around way to long and cant get hitters out on his 75 fastball. When he pitches you want to cry.

Jeff…can we wait til Pedro actually makes an appearance for the Phillies before we make any determinations on how he’s gonna be.

Dipsy….cut it out. Hamels is a thoughtful, careful guy….but “Princess”??? C’mon..

The whole Hamels thing. First off, he pops off about his precious arm. I’ll pitch when I feel like it. He needs a chiropractor to travel with the team. He talks like a valley girl. BUT! That mfer won four games in the post season and broke his hand on a guys face a few years back so he’s ok with me. He just comes off like a sissy. His wife is totally hot, too. I’ll keep him. :)

The Dipsy

Hey Manny – did you have your sense of humor surgically removed?

The Dipsy

Heavy B and Happ are my two favorite pitchers on the team…

and Rollins and Werth are my two favorite everyday players… guys that might not be the best at any one thing, but can give you all different aspects of the game

Heavy B….. Very funny! “The over weight lover’s in the house”

in his defense.. ripping a guy on a blog, does not/should not count as a personal attack … especially since the guy is making a boat load of money this year..

BECUASE Hamels pitched 4,000 innings last year, including the postseason.. I didnt think his arm would be great this year, but I didnt think he would be THIS BAD.

If you’re hurt.. skip a start or two.. be fresh for Sept and beyond

Cole’s a sissy? Don’t be ridiculous! This guy has a lot of heart. He just made a mistake that many young pitchers make the off-season following a WS Title/APP. He admitted that he toured promoting the DVD, and was not ready for the season. The Rays pitchers have also struggled or have gotten hurt this yr. Kasmir stands out. And Beckett struggled the season following ring seasons with Sox as well. I’ll take the 2008 WS and a struggling Cole in 09 any day of the week. He’ll turn it around. This guy is also a Humanat. as well. An all around real good guy.

Yeah, Don, and you know what people are going to say if he skips a couple starts and the team falters, “oh, he’s too fragile, he doesn’t have the stones to go out there, he’s a wussy, blah, blah, blah…. We’ve heard it before about him and it will be twice as bad if he misses starts. You KNOW there’s not a huge amount of compassion in this town for players who are struggling, fans and media are all over them.

It’s not what Dipsy said…..it’s HOW it came across…..sort of like how Georgie put it…..a smarta$$.

Lighten up a little ladies and gentelman. The Phils are in 1st, the baseball Gods sparred us last nite with the Fish loss. And I think we have the most beautiul woman Phillies Fans in MLB. Going to the game on a nice summer day is almost as good as going to the beach. The number of hot women we see at the Bank is amazing!

EIther that… or he takes his 5.00 ERA into the postseason and looks like his heads going to explode each time he gives up a run

Exactly steve p, we had the same experience in Florida this spring. Hamels was SOOOO gracious and had time to sign…….and this was AFTER a session at the minor league complex because he was having shoulder pain. It was right before he headed back to Philly to be examined. Some guys would have been too distracted by their injury or physical condition to pay any attention to the fans….but not Cole.

Texas2step…. Last call for the short yellow bus…………….

Howard: 2006 MVP, Rollins:2007 MVP, Phillies: 2008 World Series Champs. Mutts Fans: Everytime I go up to NYC; Queens/Brooklyn I wear my Rollins Jersey with the “WS Champs” patch. On the ride ont eh E train to Queens from Manht I had the pleasure of seeing several Mutts Fans dressed in their Halloween Costumes. Some of them look liked they wanted to cry when they took a peak at my Phils Hat with the WS patch.

I met Hamels in Boston in 2006 … right after he got called up.. he was really cool, really nice. Walking around Fenway Park after the game, just like I was. I asked him for a picture, he said no problem, we chatted for a few minutes.. he was really cool

that has nothing to do with him not pitching well this season..

Nobody is honestly attacking him.. people are making jokes, at the expense of the Rich kid with the laid-back attitude.. who is underperforming this season, after setting our expectations so high last year.