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Out of Bullpen, Moyer Dominates

Posted by Amanda Orr, Wed, August 19, 2009 12:06 AM | Comments: 44
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Jamie Moyer was clearly upset about the team’s decision to move him from the starting rotation to the bullpen after the addition of tonight’s starter, Pedro Martinez.  Moyer isn’t a left handed specialist.  He is there to serve as a long man.  Tonight, Moyer pitched in relief, but had the line of a starter.

The Phillies had a chance for a big inning in the bottom of the first with the bases loaded and nobody out.  The problem for the Phillies hasn’t changed; they continue to struggle with runners in scoring position.  Ryan Howard struck out, Jayson Werth popped out, and Raul Ibanez grounded out to end the inning.  The Phillies were 2-for-9 with runners in scoring position, and left 11 men on base.

Stephen Drew greeted Pedro with a lead off home run, but he settled down.  He pitched three innings, allowing one run.  He gave up two hits and struck out three until the rain came down in buckets.  A one hour and six minute rain delay halted play, but when it resumed, the Phillies quickly got on the board.

As shown during the series in Arizona, the Diamondbacks’ defense is horrible.  Tonight, the Phils were able to capitalize on Ryan Roberts’ mistakes.  He misplayed Jason Werth’s double which scored Chase Utley, tying the game at one.  Roberts made a throwing error on Pedro Feliz’s RBI single.  It gave the Phillies a lead, and moved the runners up.  Carlos Ruiz’s single gave the Phillies a 3-1 lead in the third.

Because of the thunderstorm, Pedro was forced to stop after three innings, however Jamie Moyer filled in nicely.  He made his first appearance out of the bullpen since 2004 and officially became the oldest non-knuckleballer to pitch in relief since 1945.  Moyer already had success against the Diamondbacks earlier this year, shutting them out in 6.2 innings. 

It took only 69 pitches for Moyer to pitch six shutout innings.  He did not walk a batter and struck out five.  At the plate, Moyer had two hits– the same amount of hits he allowed.  It was Moyer’s first multi-hit game since May, 2008. 

There was talk about Moyer and Martinez sharing the fifth rotation spot, and it worked like that tonight.”You never know what you get when you put two old goats out there. It’s a scary combination,” said Martinez.  Since Martinez did not pitch at least five innings, Moyer was credited with the win.  His 257th career win was his sixth win in relief, and first since 1996.

Werth homered in the 5th inning, and Carlos Ruiz homered in the sixth.  Werth’s 25th homer of the year set a new career high for the 30 year old.

Moyer came out of the bullpen with a vengeance, and dominated in the Phillies 5-1 win.  Against the Diamondbacks this year, Moyer has shut them out in 12.2 innings.  Although he relieved, he pitched like a starter tonight.

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  • Posts: 0 Griffin

    Nice job by the old man. Pedro did look pretty good as well.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mikey Mike

    Was at the game, Jamie looked positively dominant.
    It was funny to hear the reactions around me when the brought him in and then how they changed by the ninth.
    Fun game to be at with the bombs and pitching, however I booed VERY loudly when they didnt convert a bases loaded NO outs situation. This team NEEDS to get on track there.
    Other than that, great game!

     
  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    Wow! That rain delay did not seem that long.

    I take back any negative remark I have ever made about Moyer. The man pitched an absolute gem tonight. He was also amazing at the plate. Hats off to him. Amazing performance.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike D.

    Let’s hear it for Jamie Moyer on ten days rest against an inexperienced D-Backs lineup! No need to suggest a six-man rotation, anyone.

    With that said, thanks for saving our bacon, Jamie. No enmity towards you on my part, old bean.

     
  • Posts: 0 Morris Buttermaker

    I was at the game tonight; just finished watching the replay on CN8, Nothing but praise for the old man tonight.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    Wow, talk about unexpected surprises. Excellent job from Jamie. Could this be the beginning of a Park-like renaissance in the bullpen for him? Very interesting.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    i don’t know if I’d say that this was pitching out if the bull pen per se since the guy’s been putting in 5+ innings for 25 years so it’s not alot different than what he normally did..not to say his performance wasn’t stellar esp. in the horrible weather. But what was the most frustrating aspect of the game wasn’t just that we left the bases loaded…twice …but we stranded the pitcher on third twice to boot. This is becoming all to familiar. I think Moyer made it to third twice.

     
  • [...] Phillies Nation’s Amanda Orr recaps the rest of the game: Jamie Moyer was clearly upset about the team’s decision to move him from the starting rotation to the bullpen after the addition of tonight’s starter, Pedro Martinez.  Moyer isn’t a left handed specialist.  He is there to serve as a long man.  Tonight, Moyer pitched in relief, but had the line of a starter. [...]

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    I like the Pedro quote… you never know what you’ll get when you put two old goats out there.

    This team is on a GREAT run. Tonight should be playoff-like. Lee/Haren on national TV… they have to use this one as a tune up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith E

    Moyer’s performance = WOW!!!
    Is it me? Did anyone else notice a little look of ‘F’ you on Moyer’s face during and after the game? Could be he needed to be knocked out of his comfort zone. He has to know that a 5+ ERA wasn’t making anyone happy.
    GO PHILS!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob

    Props to you Jamie Moyer. He certainly followed his quote and took the hill like a professional. Can we finally put his mini outburst behind us?

    Pedro looked very sharp in the 2nd and 3rd, his stuff looked great.

    Need to improve with RISP, but if we get the pitching like we did last night we will win many ballgames despite that.

    Glad to see the boys come out of the rain delay focused.

    HELL of a pitching matchup tonight!!

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Phils are even with the Dodgers in the loss column and officially 2 games back. We comin to gitcha Dodgers and we ain’t gonna be nice like we were before.

     
  • Posts: 0 Shawn

    @Keith. I thought the same thing about Moyer. He had a smug look throughout the entire game. I am not sure how I feel about that. I appreciate what he did but at the same time he needs to lose the attitude.

     
  • Posts: 0 Redonedant@wip

    I saw the look on Jamies face exactly the f’u’ look to the upper office he did a great job….the bad part is all on here that said he was done and sucks…..now they come out of the woodwork…typical Philly fan not baseball fans…and they know who they are!!!!!….Did the same carp with Lidge…to me Lidge is hurt….and won’t admit it…like chase last year….I’m ok …but he was hurting too….gutsy but hurting the team at some point….perfect time for Jamie….rain is gonna change a batter and then ya throw in Jamie ball..well the time of the swings is all messed up….way to go Jamie.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Yeah but the Dodgers do have 4 more wins than us. Not so easy to make up those wins, especially with a giant hole at the back end of the rotation.

    @ Keith, I agree with you. Moyer did have a rather tumultuous look on his face after he got off the mound. Almost as if to say “I told you I wasn’t done.” And you know what, if he has a chip on his shoulder now, so be it. I never felt like Moyer wasn’t trying his hardest every time out there, it just wasn’t enough. Maybe now he can kick it into an extra gear that he didn’t even know he had.

     
  • Posts: 0 Doug D.

    Great win last night!!! The starting pitching has stepped it up. Last night it was the #5B starter. Great relief effort by the Ancient Mariner. I was one of those who mentioned Jamie and Pedro sharing the 5th rotation spot. They ended up doing that last night, and it worked great. It appeared to me that Jamie did pitch with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. He’s not happy being demoted. Every time the camera espies him in the pen, he sitting there with his arms crossed and he just looks like he wants to be somewhere else. Regardless, he pitched really well last night. It’ll be interesting to see how they use Jamie from here on out…The problem with the hitting w/RISP is that everyone gets over-anxious. In the 1st, Howard went fishing on letter-high (and above) heat. He never connects with high heat. Nor did he in the 1st. Neither does Werth! Jayson is a low-ball hitter. His double and his dinger were on low pitches, where he is able to extend his arms. I’d be willing to bet he plays golf. Jayson is another one who can’t hit high heat. He hits hanging sliders a mile, but then doesn’t everyone. The high cheese is another story. But I digress. Jayson, statistically the most patient hitter in baseball, swung at the 2nd offering and popped up weakly, getting jammed on a pitch running into him. Over-anxious! As was Raul, another patient hitter, who swung at the first pitch, rolling over a breaking ball with a weak grounder to to 2nd.
    I see J-Roll in the Phillies ads talking about how much of a “team” the Phils are. In these RISP situations, it seems everyone throws out the team concept, looking for the BIG hit when just keeping the rally going by moving the line. The heart of the line-up got themselves out last night trying to be “me.” Rhyno is at his best when he allows the pitch to “travel” in the zone. Staying back is the key. Jayson does that much better. He’s good at going the other way with 2 strikes. He, too, can hit it out the other way with ease. When he extends and connects, it goes a long way, just like last night.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I was at the game. Wow. What a treat. Got to see 2 HOFers pitch. Jamie was incredible. The rain delay really seemed to change the game for the better. I was worried about the offense after the 1st inning with bases loaded and no outs and a failure to score. great job by the Phils to come right out in the 3rd and score some runs.

     
  • Posts: 0 JoeFan

    No one will confuse the Dbacks with the 1929 Yankees…..but…..we give up just one run with our number 5 pitcher going and Jamie coming in in long relief. That’s just an outstanding performance. Other teams certainly must have taken notice of this performance by the Phils who won easily in spite of missing many chances to score and stranding 11. This team must be starting to look scary to other teams now.

    My hats off to Jamie who pitched an outstanding game and handled adversity very well. I’m thrilled for Jamie. Hats off to Pedro also, who also looked very strong in the 2nd and 3rd. When Rueben said you can never have too much quality pitching – he was right!

     
  • Posts: 0 Dhall

    Who’s the 2nd Hall of Famer Chuck?

     
  • Posts: 0 beta sigma shag

    I know I am a Pedro hater, and do not think he is much better than Moyer in the 5th spot. People say he pitched well in the 2nd and 3rd, his fast ball was around 85 all three innings and if you watched the game he was missing his spots alot, but getting away with it.
    That being said great win in the rain, and if you take away the first inning the Phillies were 2-6 with runners in scoring position and did have a few clutch 2 out hits after the first, so I am not worried about the offense.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Chuck… as much as I love him, Jamie’s not a HOF’er. He has to get to 300 wins and that’s going to be really tough for him. He could get to 260 by the end of the year but that’s still a long way from 300.

    It’s kind of funny that Jamie earns his team high 11th win in his first appearance as a reliever… very ironic.

    I’m happy that he came out and pitched like this but you have to stick with your decision… it’s nice to know that Jamie is doing what he needs to do to keep his arm fresh and I’m confident that he can help this team down the stretch but he’s gotta know his role. I was a proponent of the 6 man rotation (keeping certain arms going on normal rest while rotating the other guys that might benefit from an extra day or two off) but now that the decision has been made, they have to stick with it. Jamie pitches well when he has a chip on his shoulder… hopefully, he can give the team 4 or 5 more long-relief/spot starts and nab a few more W’s.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Stick to the plan…let him pitch in games like last night and/or the 2 double-headers coming up in Sept…

    Maybe give him an extra spot start against the Fish…

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    The Phils will need Moyer. If Pedro can’t go more than 5 innings, they’ll need him in relief. And they have two double headers in Sept., so that’s at least two more starts for him this year.

    Best game Moyer has pitched all year. Looked like he had great control and tremendous movement on his pitches last night.

    There must be a lot of mind readers on this site — people claiming they could tell what Jaime was thinking by the look on his face. He always has the same look on the mound, except when he stuck his tongue out during Game 3 last October…. He was thinking about the game. If he’d been thinking about the front office, he wouldn’t have been ptiching so effectively. Just give the man his props.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Let’s say Moyer DOES pitch next season…..he’s got…. what??…257 wins now….?? So between the rest of this season and next let’s say he wins another 13 games. I think that’s enough for the HOF.

    That would tie him for 33rd on the all time list and AHEAD of J Palmer (268), B Feller (266), C Hubbell (253), B Gibson (251), J Marichal (243), W Ford (236), J Bunning (224), C Hunter (224), D Drysdale (209). Also, he would be ahead of C Schilling (216) and tied with M Mussina (270) who, I think, are locks.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    ^ I only referenced starting pitchers and probably left a few guys out.

    I know he’s been pitching for 20+ years….but 257 – 270 wins is a great feat….and he’s got a ring to put on his resume, too.

     
  • Original Chuck P – NATIONAL TV? TV Guide & ESPN website both say Red Sox @ Jays :-(

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    MLB Network

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Geoff

    They are on Thursday Night Baseball on the MLB Network.

    Not sure about ESPN tonight, but they love the Sox.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’m assuming you now agree with me on Moyer, Original Chuck P, since you didn’t respond to my analysis..

     
  • Posts: 0 Joel M

    Congrats to a FINE job by both Pedro & Jaimie!

    Here is a thought….

    Why not use Jamie in relief of Pedro specifically; have Pedro pitch 5 or 6 innings and have Jamie come in and close it up (unless it is a save opportunity). Two different pitchers with two different styles seems to have worked beautifully last evening.

    Along those lines, how about we have Eyre and Lidge work out the 9th inning save opportunities together (with Lidge of course getting the check mark for the save). That also seemed to be a fine piece of management the other night.

    With all these pitchers, doing some committee work could make us very dominant going through towards the post season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Moyer did a great job in relief last night. Pedro looked sharp too before the rain. Im going there tonight for Lidge bobblehead night and Cliff Lee vs. Dan Haren. Ought to be great.

     
  • Posts: 0 Argive

    Chuck:

    Sorry, but I disagree. Moyer put up those wins because he has been pitching for a very long time and was decent for much of those years. He has never really been dominant a la Gibson, Hunter or Palmer, merely very good. Just because a guy has lots of wins doesn’t automatically qualify him for the HOF. Bert Blyleven’s still waiting, for one thing (287 wins). Moyer’s lifetime ERA is over 4 and his lifetime ERA+ is 105, meaning that he is five percent better than average for his career. His career BA/OBP against is .268/.322, which is pretty high. Most of the pitchers you mentioned put up way more dominant performances than Moyer in a far shorter period of time. He’s got a case, but it’s borderline, and predicated mostly on longevity. I love the guy, and it would be great if he got in. But I just don’t see it happening.

     
  • Posts: 0 phambino

    Does anyone feel that the Philllies owe Jamie Moyer anything?

    I don’t.

    But, it is a great story to have him do so well in his first relief appearance. Six innings of two-hit, shutout baseball is outstanding worK.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    I’m not saying that Moyer is gonna get 98% of the vote or that he’ll even get in on the first ballot. Blyleven is a good example and he’ll eventually get in, in my opinion. I realize it’s borderline, but I think Jamie’s a future HOFer.

    A point of comparison…Moyer 257-194 (.570 winning pct.) 4.22 ERA

    Blyleven 287 – 250 (.534) 3.31 ERA

    Blyleven has A LOT of losses, but his ERA is almost a point LOWER than Jamie’s.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    Chuck ,

    Moyer won’t get in… unless he gets 300 wins which is going to be a stretch, he won’t get in and I’m pretty sure of that. 300 wins isn’t the only classifier and shouldn’t mean that you get a free ticket (Don Sutton probably doesn’t belong in the hall of fame; he had the benefit of playing for some really good Dodger teams and played forever) but it’s something that sticks out in the minds of the voters.

    Blyleven belongs in the Hall… he almost won 300 games playing for some below average teams and he only pitched until age 41. Bert is 9th all-time in shutouts and 5th in strikeouts. He was also MONEY in the postseason. Moyer can’t say any of that… and I’m from his hometown so I’m more biased that anyone.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Blyleven should be in, even if he did lose 250 games. Like I said, Moyer’s winning pct. is much better but his era is higher. I really think you can make a case for both based on completely different careers and circumstances.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P

    He doesn’t really have much of a case besides wins… he doesn’t have the individual accolades, he didn’t win a ton of world series trophies, he doesn’t hold any records, he hasn’t hit any milestones and he doesn’t have great numbers… it’s a tough argument. It shouldn’t be the Hall of Good… guys like Jim Rice who hit less than 400 HR in a bandbox (Fenway) probably don’t deserve the nod but they slide in so maybe Jamie gets enough votes in a down year… but I highly doubt it.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    Personally, I don’t think Jamie has a chance in Hades to get in. Blyleven, Tommy John, Jim Kaat all are not in. jamie will probably be viewed a lot like Kaat. Long playing career. A lotta stats. But didn’t win the 532 Gold Gloves like Kaat did.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Dipsy….my bad..

    I thought Kitty Kaat was in..went back and double-checked and he’s not..

    Soooo…..if HE’S not in then Jamie doesn’t stand a chance either. It’s a shame for Kaat with, especially with the 532 Gloves Gloves (actually it’s 16….just saw that when I looked up his stats).

    Same probably goes with the others like Blyleven then..

     
  • Posts: 0 Keith E

    How can Tommy John not be in the HOF?
    The guy was a human guinea pig for a surgical procedure that is now fairly common.
    Little kid to his dad at Cooperstown: “Dad, who’s Tommy John and what is the surgery”? That question should be answered in the HOF.
    Going to the game tonight. Get to see in person what Rubin stole.
    GO PHILS!!!

     
  • Original Chuck P – thanks! I’ve got Dish Network and my package doesn’t include the MLB network. Switching to DIRCECTV this weekend and my new package will. Really looking forward to being able to get it. 3 days too late but I got to see Cliff live at Wrigley last week so that’ll have to make up for it!

     
  • Posts: 0 The Dipsy

    I’ll tell ya who belongs in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Dr. James Andrews.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Chuck

    Good one Dipsy….Andrews is a hero….AND a VERY rich man.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dhall

    I don’t care how many wins Moyer gets, I can’t see him getting in to the Hall of Fame. His ERA is terrible. To my knowledge, there’s no one in the HOF with a career ERA even close to that high (4.22). I like Moyer as much as the next guy, but he’s simply not a HOF pitcher. I’m not even sure Mussina gets into the Hall. His ERA is pretty high as well.

     
 
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