Reports: Dodgers Acquire Thome, Garland
Posted by Corey Seidman, Tue, September 01, 2009 12:54 AM | Comments: 89
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In what was the final day of teams being able to add players to the postseason roster, the Los Angeles Dodgers made a splash.
After trading for infielder Ronnie Belliard earlier in the week, the Dodgers pulled off two much more significant deals, acquiring former Phillie Jim Thome from the White Sox, and middle-of-the-rotation righthander Jon Garland from the Diamondbacks, as reported by Sports Illustrated writer and MLB Network insider, Jon Heyman.
The Thome acquisition is an odd one that had not been rumored much, and it creates a strange situation for the Dodgers at first base. Thome, who has been a designated hitter for the ChiSox for several years, is old, slow, and not an ideal fit in the field. The power hasn’t diminished much – Thome is hitting .249 with 23 homers and 74 RBI. His .372 on-base percentage is high, and will fit in nicely in a Dodgers lineup that leads the NL in said category. However, Thome is striking out a ton (116 in 345 at-bats) and his batting average and OBP have dipped since the All-Star Break.
He is a lefthanded hitter, as is current Dodgers first baseman James Loney, eliminating the possibility of a platoon. And one would have to figure that Thome’s offensive ability would be somewhat offset by the huge dropoff the Dodgers would see in the field. In addition to being a solid hitter, Loney has earned a reputation as one of the best fielding first baseman in the National League.
Should the Dodgers use Thome as merely a bench bat, think of him as the super-Matt Stairs. Perhaps they’re hoping for similar postseason heroics from the aging lefty slugger.
Jon Garland: A Tradition of Mediocrity
Garland is an average addition, not a great one. He gives the Dodgers a viable fourth starter in the playoffs if Hiroki Kuroda doesn’t return, or return to form, and Vicente Padilla struggles to find a rhythm.
Garland carries the often misused label of “innings eater,” which, in all honesty, is equivalent to saying a fat girl has a pretty face. The true innings eaters, like Cliff Lee, CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay, etc., are never referred to by that term because they are, well, great pitchers.
Guys like Garland (in years past) or Livan Hernandez are often deemed “innings eaters,” despite the fact that the innings they eat are not of much quality. Sure, Garland pitches close to 200 innings every year, but he carries an average 4.45 career ERA and has been first or second in hits allowed in three of the past four seasons. He won 18 games in 2005 (his best season), and again in 2006 for the White Sox, but the high win total in ’06 was due to a high level of run support, as he had very average, Garland-like numbers.
Garland was 8-11 with a 4.29 ERA for the Diamondbacks, with a 1.43 WHIP and .286 opponents batting average. He gives up a lot of hits and doesn’t strike out many batters. He has pitched 167.2 innings this year, and has 18 quality starts out of 27 overall. He has been better of late, rebounding from two bad months to start the season.
All in all, it was a productive night for the Dodgers, who are going all-in this year in hopes of overthrowing the Phillies for National League dominance.
It will be interesting to see how the pieces fit.
Contreras to the Rockies
In other NL contender-related news, Heyman reports that the Rockies have acquired White Sox righthander Jose Contreras. It seems Kenny Williams is coming to terms with the fact that his team is a longshot for postseason play. Too bad he didn’t realize this before giving up four pitching prospects in exchange for Jake Peavy’s huge contract.
Contreras has not pitched well in 2009. He is 5-13 with a 5.42 ERA, a 1.45 WHIP, and a .267 opponents batting average. He went 1-3 with a 7.66 ERA in August, and is traveling from one hitter’s park to another. The Rockies have needed another starting pitcher since ace Aaron Cook went on the disabled list.
But it’s hard to believe Contreras will be of much assistance, given his erratic 2009 campaign.
No Nomar
Rumors of the Phillies adding Nomar Garciaparra had been swirling and seemed to heat up when the Phillies sent scouts to see the infielder play in Oakland over the weekend. But as the great John Finger of Comcast Sportsnet recently noted, the Phillies have no more money left to spend on the 2009 payroll. Nomar would have been a welcome addition to the bench and added more depth, but no deal was worked out.


















Posts: 0 Jeff
Dodgers are going to be tough. Thome gives them great power and Garland becomes the starter they have been looking to fill in. I just bought Phillies tickets to see Happ vs. The freak. Stubhub for 35.00 a piece. 103 Section. Cant wait.
Posted: 01:03 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeffrey
Thome deserves better than to be a bench sitter on a heartless squad of jerks in a city that couldn’t give a damn about its baseball team.
Posted: 02:53 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Brooks
Thome has said he does not want to play first base which pretty much designates him to the role of a bench warmer. On the plus side (?) Manny said he was happy to be reunited with Thome – gee.
Posted: 03:59 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Keith E
After getting shocked by Stairs in the NLCS last year maybe the Dodgers think Thome can do the same for them.
GO PHILS!!!
Posted: 05:00 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Keith E
@ Corey Seidman: sorry for re-stating your point.
“Should the Dodgers use Thome as merely a bench bat, think of him as the super-Matt Stairs. Perhaps they’re hoping for similar postseason heroics from the aging lefty slugger.”
I couldn’t sleep and didn’t thoroughly read your article. Keith E
GO PHILS!!!
Posted: 05:05 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Keith E
@Jeff: The Freak goes Thursday vs Pedro. Happ Wednesday. According to SN.com
Go PHILS!!!
Posted: 05:15 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
The Phils didn’t get Nomar because they have no more money? Gimme a break. Just shut up about or say you just weren’t interested or you couldn’t work out a deal. Just don’t insult us.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:13 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Baseballbriefs.com
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Posted: 07:18 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed R.
Dip…I think they could have worked out a deal if they wanted to, and I honestly don’t see why they didn’t go and get Nomar? Maybe they think Bruntlett has turned the corner and see him as more valuable than Nomar because he can also play more positions than Nomar? I have no idea. Maybe the fact that he did not play all weekend scared the team off into thinking he may be hurt. I am obviously just speculating but Amaro has shown me at least one thing this year, he is willing to make the moves to improve the club. If he doesn’t make a move as he didn’t in this case, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he did the best thing for the team.
Posted: 07:27 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Phileemania
Wow some nip-wit lost his one and only WS ring in a bathroom at the maketing center…..nice …well it was nice while it lasted…hope he doesn’t think there’s another one coming…..Stupid Stupid Stupid…oh someone will turn it in……….yeah at a pawn shop!
Posted: 07:29 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
I can accept that. But if John Finger (?) is right, and the Phillies have “no more money” left to spend, and thats why they didn’t do it, then I say, “WTF”? Ruben could have reached into his pocket and taken out the money it would have cost to pay Nomar. PUH-LEEZE.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:35 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed R.
Dip…am I right in thinking that Nomar would only have to be paid the minimum as he already has a contract with the A’s? If that is the case, then yeah what is a couple thousand over the course of the next few weeks.
Posted: 08:03 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 just saying
i love, and i mean LOVE the fat chick comment. It’s about time this blog started pulling some punches. Three cheers for skinny Phillies fans!
Posted: 08:12 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Also love the fat chick comment. Here’s to all the “butterfaces” out there, too. Lets face it, Ruben just never wanted anyone else for his bench. He didn’t try, he didn’t look, he didn’t consider. Be it money, his love of Bruntlett and Stairs, or whatever, its just not something he was ever going to do. But if it was money, shame on you Ruben.
The Dipsy
Posted: 08:23 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed R.
Well he did add Frisco as a “throw in” so it’s not like he did absolutely nothing. But I do agree that he does seem to have a bit of misplaced loyalty to Stairs and E.B.
Look, I will forever be grateful to Stairs for his moon shot vs the Dodgers. If I ever see him at a bar, I will gladly by him a drink. But at this point what is Stairs good for? He can’t field, he can’t run, he can’t hit anymore. And with a team that can’t hit with RISP, do you want a guy on your bench whose mind set is to hit the ball out of the park every time? Even when a single will do the trick? I don’t.
Posted: 08:29 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
Those deals the Dodgers made don’t really make sense. Thome cannot play in the field anymore, and Garland is just not a quality starting pitcher for a playoff team. If they want to send Vicente Padilla and Jon Garland out there to get LIT UP in the NL postseason be my guest.
I also don’t see how much Contreras can really help a contender either. Are you going to run him out there in a playoff rotation?
It looks like the Phillies will have to find help from within and just…hope that Brett Myers can help the bullpen and hope that SOMEONE can help the bench.
Posted: 08:35 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Geoff
And the Giants got Brad Penny, who sucks. Whoop-dee doo. It adds depth but I wont worry about him.
Posted: 08:47 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
The Dodgers just wreak of desperation… Does Jim Thome really deserve to have his career end in Mannywood?
Posted: 08:48 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Jeff
I dont keith. I am going off of phillies.com. They have him going Wed. Thursday its says to be announced
Posted: 09:02 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Pat Gallen
Thome has said he cant play 1B, so the only thing he can do is come off the bench. Always did like Thome, but coming off the bench is a different animal, even though I guess he does have some practice being a DH.
Posted: 09:02 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Dodgers might not even make the playoffs … I bet Thome punches either Manny, or Russell Martin by this weekend, because they are both PUNKS
Garland is the bigger news for them, but even he won’t help that much..
They need Kuroda to rebound off the DL for them to be tough in the playoffs (which the might not make with a month to go)
..Cardinals are the only team that scares me in the NL
Posted: 09:34 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
The Dodgers are more desperate than a really ‘average’ guy trying to seal the deal with a really hot chick.
The Cards are the fear, when all the little factors iron out on gameday their the only NL team as good as the Phillies.
Posted: 09:49 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Maverick
NJ agreed… the Cards are scary…. Sir Albert and Halladay..are a tough 2 outs. Not to mention Carpenter and Wainwright are 30-10 with combined ERA of about 2.3
What the Cards lack however is depth in the rotation and in the line up.
Posted: 10:01 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
The Cards seem to just have that ‘thing’ right now whatever you want to call it, they don’t have as much talent as the Phils but to me the match-up evens out because of the Phils lack in discipline.
Will be a hellova NLCS…
Posted: 10:08 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Chuck
Ok…we didn’t get Nomar. Would have been nice but I think our more important issues are an effective Lidge and Hamels…..and getting Matt Stairs out of his slump somehow.
Bruntlett is better…more versatile in the field….than Nomar anyway…AND…..he’s actually been hitting the ball a little bit lately.
So I don’t know if Nomar Garciaparra would have made THAT much of a difference.
Posted: 10:29 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 joedad
The Dodgers move shows how stacked the Phillies are. Our Rain-man long man would be the 4th starter on the “pitching rich” Dodgers. Thome will be a rich-man’s Matt Stairs but I don’t see him being too happy there. Thome loved Cleveland, Chicago and Philly because they are legitimate baseball cities. LA is a poser, thug town.
Posted: 10:35 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
Regardless if our egos’ don’t want to give them credit, the Dodgers made some pretty good moves. Nomar would’ve been nice, but it’s not the end of the world. The Dodgers moves only mean that they have very little faith that Manny will turn it around. That’s a good sign. The G-men of baseball, The Rockies and the Dodgers will continue to slug it out for the next month. It should be very entertaining. We will take two of three from the Giants9at least) and nobody will care about these signings because we will be done with the N.L. West’s top dogs until October.
In October we will hit Garland. If need be. And Scott Eyre or JC will take care of Thome….. and his homies…..
P.S. If I find that missing ring…..never mind..
Posted: 10:43 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
a thug town? haha…then what is Philly? Sesame Place…..
Posted: 10:47 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ben
word is that we were not going to sign nomar unless he showed that he could fill in at short. my guess is that the FO watched tape and scouted him and determined that if jimmy went down nomar wouldn’t be able to play short. bruntlett is still the only viable option to fill in at short. if thats the case, nomar wouldn’t have made the post season roster and thus it doesn’t make sense to pursue him.
this isn’t the nomar of old, his range is way down at this point. if jimmy goes down we need a solid defensive replacement, which unfortunately is bruntlett.
i guess you could argue nomar could have replaced stairs, but thats another discussion.
Posted: 11:02 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
Thome for Stairs as a PH?? That would’ve been the move of the decade….. agreed… Nomar is no longer the same defensive guy. But I think his bat still has a few big hits in it… Oh well…. On to the Giants. Let’s win Game 1 tonite and go from there…
Posted: 11:13 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 The Dipsy
Well, the postseason is a place where all your warts tend to get exposed. All the teams are good, and in the NL, the top three teams are pretty much dead even. You need every edge. That said, your bench guys are going to be called on at various points for key at bats. Knowing that, I can’t believe that Ruben is now content with three guys on the bench hitting below .200. To me, thats unforgivable. Bako is a catcher. Fine. But Bruntlett and Stairs?? At this juncture of the season Stairs can’t do any of the following: 1) Hit: 2) Field; 3) Run; 4) Pitch. Which pretty much makes him useless. But now that you’re stuck with these guys you better work them in the lineup so when they do have to bat in the post season they might have a 1 in 5 chance of getting a hit instead of 1 in 6. And please, please, don’t anyone tell me that the bench doesn’t matter.
The Dipsy
Posted: 11:19 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ben
dipsy, would you replace nomar for stairs on the bench? thats really what it comes down to in the nomar debate. i think its a tough call, and you know the FO’s whole “ride the horse that got you here” mantra.
Posted: 11:21 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
Bako and Bruntlett. Oh yeah! Are u kidding me?? The greatest 1/2 combo since Jordan and Pippen!
Posted: 11:23 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
Scary thing about Stairs is he hasn’t even been able to hit fastballs right down the heart of the plate. I would’ve taken Thome or Cameron(probably too costly) to help out since Carroll doesn’t seem to have hit the wire.
Posted: 11:23 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
…ain’t easy……
Posted: 11:25 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
Do we give Mayberry Jr. another shot?
Posted: 11:27 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ben
thinking about it, our bench situation further emphasises our need to wrap this thing up early. it would be great to have stairs, dobbs, bruntlett, bako, ben franklin all get regular ABs that last week going into the post season so that they can find a rhythm.
not to mention our bullpen with arms that aren’t being used. would be great to get them in more than a few games too (myers, jc, etc.)
i don’t want to jump ahead, as there is still a chance we don’t make it if we collapse. but we have an opportunity to really help ourselves out.
Posted: 11:28 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Bob
What we got it what we got…..bring it home boys!!
Posted: 11:29 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
You know what Stairs can do … he can hit mistake pitches a long, long, long way ..
and those are the kinds of pitches that relievers tend to throw in intense, late-game situations ..
Lets not bash Stairs for his 0-for-27 off the bench, because LOTS of Major League players go through extended slumps in the season
Posted: 11:31 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
I don’t think you worry about what your bench bats are hitting so much as when their hitting, Stair’s slump is a concern but I’m a believe in you have to play better not go out and get better unless that guy really does make you a better ballclub a la Cliff Lee, is nomar at this juncture really a guy who makes you better, I don’t know. The Dodgers went out and added 3 guys expecting immediate results, I think it says a lot about the Phils that they stood pat and showed trust in the guys in this organisation (be it on the 25 man roster or in the minors).
I genuinely believe that there’s a point where the guys you have are going to take you as far as you going to go and this is a hell of a team top to bottom.
Posted: 11:35 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
The Dodgers are DESPERATE… they let the Rox make it interesting again and Manny has been giving people a reason to believe that he’s nothing more than a steroid-induced jackass (since his return, he’s been pretty bad). Manny-Hood is a ghosttown… fake dreads are cheaper than ever in LA. With Kuroda (aka Phillie Killer) on the DL, they needed to do something because everyone knows that the Padilla Flotilla ain’t gonna cut it in October. Garland (RH) has been TERRIBLE against the Phillies; 4 GS, 0-3, 8.02 ERA… Thome is going to get a few AB’s a la Matt Stairs but Loney’s the first baseman. I guess they did something, which is better than nothing but it’s not changing the power rankings.
Posted: 11:37 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 NJ
^Would love to have seen Nomar play short again, would have been like watching the Baywatch slow motion runs… Just with a beach full of really ugly people, like REALLY ugly.
Posted: 11:41 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 psujoe
It’s not just Stairs or bruntlett or Bako or an injured Dobbs, it’s the grou in total that concerns me. Highly doubtful all 4 snapp out of it in less than one month. the one thing Gillick I loved about Gillik is he never stopped trying to improve the club
Posted: 11:42 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 The Original Chuck P
I would bet that Mayberry gets another shot… why not?
Posted: 11:48 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Ed R.
@ Chuck P because we already have a guy who goes up the plate and swings for the fences and can not play OF…his name is Matt Stairs. Mayberry exercises no patience at all at the plate. But I guess that is the Phillies M.O, save Jayson Werth.
Posted: 11:51 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
Why did the Sox stop at Thome? Why didn’t they just give us Bobby Jenks a.k.a. Paul “What it do”….. I mean I thought we had a real good relationship with those guys in Chi-Town. WTF?!
Posted: 11:54 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Repeat!
I’m not real high on Mayberry’s bat either. But at least he play a little D.
Posted: 11:56 AM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
Francisco and Dobbs can also play OF Defense.. and hit pitches besides just FASTBALL
Mayberry was a good story when he was crushing batting-practice pitches the first two weeks of Spring Training.. but unless he shortens his swing, he won’t hit for average.. and if he does shorten his swing, his power will go way down
…
The Phillies are a LOT better offensively than we were last year.. which is why we aren’t using pinch-hitters as much.. which is why our pinch-hitters don’t have the kind of numbers they had last year..
I’d rather have the starters with great stats, then the bench guys with great stats, but that is just one guy’s opinion
Posted: 12:03 PM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Mike K.
Mayberry does have a lot of talent, but he still hasn’t really shown that he can do it for a full season, and that’s more than troubling at his age.
Posted: 12:19 PM on September 1, 2009
Posts: 0 Don M
He can’t hit anything besides a fastball …
Posted: 12:21 PM on September 1, 2009