Saturday News and Notes

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sat, September 26, 2009 12:38 PM | Comments: 43

-By now you’ve heard the news that Brad Lidge will not be the closer for the duration of the regular season.  Really?  That wasn’t rocket science.  However, is it completely true?  If you read between the lines of what Ruben Amaro is saying, Lidge’s name is still very much involved for the ninth inning spot.

In Andy Martino’s Philadelphia Inquirer article the GM goes on to say, “I don’t think any decision has been made officially. Lidge could still be one of the guys. It could be Madson, could be Lidge, or it could be a few different guys.”

So, then he’s not out of the running?  Why did Amaro go public with a response to the situation that really offers no information.  I understand he is trying to keep his closer and his manager out of harms way, but why not just stay tight lipped and allow it to play out.  Making a mockery of the situation only draws the ire of more fans.

-Pedro Martinez will miss his start tonight against the Brewers as he continues to deal with a sore neck.  I wouldn’t take this as a huge deal.  It’s actually the smart thing to do here, considering the triage unit that the bullpen has become.

Martinez will likely make one or two more starts before the end of the regular season.  In that time, will it answer questions about the playoff rotation?  Could this injury actually make Pedro a viable candidate for closer?

Consider this: if Pedro is unable to make another start for the next week, he will lose his stamina heading into the playoffs.  J.A. Happ has proven his health, returning from the strained oblique.  Could that then push Charlie into making Pedro the closer, especially if he’s unable to last deep into games.  Quite an interesting scenario is upon us.

-According to Mark Miller of Yahoo, Chan Ho Park is going to be looked at for the closers role once he is fit to return.  Park is still dealing with a hamstring injury. In Martino’s article, Charlie Manuel says that Brett Myers would be the most viable candidate to close, however, he’s still hurt too and unsure of a return date.

So who it is?  This ridiculous back and forth is growing tiresome.  What I want is for Manuel and Amaro to come out and say, “this will be a closer by committee.”  That way, everyone’s name is involved and it still allows for them to use whomever at their leisure while making Philadelphians happy that a resolution has been found.  That’s not so hard, is it?

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  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    4-0 BRAVES. They will not lose until the Marlins series. We will have to win games. Boy think of all those blown saves. Just the other day against the Marlins. Sat against the Muts. The list goes on and on.

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Not very encouraging going into the post season, is it?
    With the offense sputtering (all by Ryan Howard) and the pitching in such a tizzy it’s hard to get excited. Instead of heading to the promised land with a head of steam we seem to have a haze of confusion.

    A repeat would certainly have put the Phils in a very prestigious position in the history of the MLB but, don’t seem likely.

    = (

  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Jeff – what do you mean by, “4-0 BRAVES. They will not lose until the Marlins series”

    Why is management so reluctant to commit to anyone….like it matters with 10 games left….are the trying to take teams by suprise? They completely cluster F***ed this stituation. Where has Reuben Amaro Nero been all this time?
    With all of our prospects we did nothing to sure up a bullpen…as a season drags on the chance of injury esp to the bull pen increases….banking on your injuried to return to fill the voids is fine so long as none of the other arms gets injured…And this is what happened..And this was more likely to happen than not. A real legit shot to do something really rare to begin with now a pipe dream squared.

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Boy did I whiff on Doc. giving up. I didn’t realize he had a complete game s/o last nite. My apologies…

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Braves were up 4-0 at the time. now the game is 6-4

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    of course zimmerman is out.

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    If they loose it’ll be a minor miracle…. Not because the Braves are so good. But because the Nats keep making so many errors….

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Damn you Indiana. You had those MF Wolves and now you’re down…

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    To think IF the Phils play the Braves again this season the winner will be going to the series…

  • Posts: 0 ryan

    i vote pedro for closer.

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Damn Michigan……..

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Wouldn’t it be great if the Phanatic wore a ‘vote for Pedro’ t-shirt and a curly ginger wig…

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    where do you get your drugs?…..I’ll need them every time Lidge comes out for the save…

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Braves are down by 5.5

  • Posts: 0 Brian of CO

    If Lidge attempts a save in the Post season, and loses, he will probably need to hire a personal security detail or go into Witness Protection.

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Jeff are you actually worried the Braves might win the NL East?

  • Posts: 0 karen

    For Lidge to be on the playoff roster, it would be just as fine to just miss the playoffs. I do not want to have to watch that former star closer blow a huge game in the playoffs. I am sick and tired of the damn excuses given for him and charlie and amaro. He is 0-8 with a 7plus era? those numbers say it all. The bad thing is that he blew saves in playoff team homes…yankees, braves, dodgers, etc, etc but he also blew them in other teams…pirates? Wake up Philadelphia….he sucks this year…..if the yankees had someone like that, would they take him? doubt it…

  • Posts: 0 karen

    The Braves do have a shot at the nl east. first, they play no one except the marlins and the nationals…..second, the phillies are just “out there”, third, we let lidge blow one too many save and finally, the braves really want this….

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    Lidge on the play-off roster isn’t the end of the world, the bullpen isn’t exactly stocked right now and he’s going to be on there ahead of guys like Kendrick and Escalona.

    Right now you have Madson, Walker and Moyer then Park, Eyre, Myers, Condrey, Romero, Taschner all coming off injuries so I’d expect Lidge to be on the roster even if he isn’t closing.

  • Posts: 0 srt

    Closer by committee? Not gonna work. Weren’t you paying attention last year? It didn’t work for the Mets, it’s not gonna work for the Phils.

    When the manager doesn’t have defined roles for the BP, and has to wonder in the 6/7/8 inning,
    - Can I bring in so and so now, or do I need to save him for the 8th b/c my normal set up guy might need to pitch the 9th?
    - Can I bring in so and so at any time, or do I need to save him for the 9th?
    - Can I afford to bring in my normal set up guy in the 8th, or am I gonna need him in the 9th? Well, the entire BP gets hosed.

    And when you can’t rely on your starters to give 7 or 8 complete, solid innings, it’s even worse trying to manage the BP by committee.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid…..

  • Posts: 0 NJ

    The Phils aren’t going to loose that many games that the Braves will have a shot… It’s funny how every insider says the only division still in play is the AL central yet there is fretting on here… Relax guys and just hope the Braves start loosing so that we don’t have to play the divisional series against the Cards.

  • Posts: 0 BS

    Amaro’s quote: “I don’t think any decision has been made officially. Lidge could still be one of the guys. It could be Madson, could be Lidge, or it could be a few different guys.”

    seems like it’s pretty blatant that they’re going with a closer by committee

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Braves ain’t winning this division. The magic number is four… The math says they’re in it, but reality says get real. Braves down 5.5 with 8 left to play for them. Come on. The Phils aren’t playing tight like the 07 Mets. The number is 4.. It can’t go up….Oned win today ortomm and it’s 3 no matter what. 2 when the Braves loose their next game. The Rockies should be concerned with the Braves and their gift of a schedule, not the Phils… Leave Lidge home come October…

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    I wouldn’t mine the Cards actually. Their starters are righties and surprisingly their lineup that’s loaded with rh hit better against lefties than righties. Howard would feel right at home…It’s only the regular season, but the Phils have played well there…. Just keep Lidge away from Fat Albert.

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    I meant the Cards hit better against righties than lefties. Normally it’s the other way around…

  • Posts: 0 hotstove

    I think for the post season the rotation should be

    1. Hamels
    4. Pedro

    Closer: Happ, Park or Myers and if Myers or Park then Happ goes in to 4th spot.

  • Posts: 0 indy shenandoah

    There are only two possibilities according to all the laws of logic and rational thought processes that can explain why the Phils management would continue to use a proven, losing pitcher that has already blown 11 saves and possibly the entire division.

    One, unparalleled ignorance that goes beyond Manuel all the to the highest tiers of their management OR they are compromised. Its one of the two and if its not unprecedented stupidity than its the other and I don’t think I have to spell out what that is except it would make Tony Soprano proud. Would a coach use a quarterback that couldn’t complete a pass, or a manager use a shortstop that couldn’t catch or hit? Would they repeatedly use the guy no matter how utterly ineffective or futile his play was?

    You can stay in denial or wake up and see the reality fo Philadelphia sports.

    I rest my case.

    And so it goes:-)

  • Posts: 0 Bruce

    As Tom McCarthy said last night, Manuel told him that he will decide on a closer ( Lidge, Madson or someone else ) when needed based on “matchups”. Yes, confirming what GM Amaro said, a closer by committee project.

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    we’d all feel a lot better w/win tonite…. You don’t want Atlanta waking up tomm thinking that this thing could be cut to 4…

  • Posts: 0 joedad

    I think I will get tickets to Tuesday’s game because I think that is when they will clinch. My original prediction was Monday but the Braves refuse to lose.

    If anyone wants to put up 10, I will give 100 if the Braves win the division.

    Just because closer by committee didn’t work for the Mets doesn’t mean it won’t work for the Phillies. Good teams find ways to win. This offense can carry the team. The starters can carry the team. Baserunning, fielding, mental toughness, rabid fans getting in pitcher’s heads at home games can wins games. This team will win more games this year than last year even after having the worst record in baseball when leading after 9 innings (last year had the best) because they can win games in different ways.

  • Posts: 0 Matt

    I don’t know what everyone is so worried about. If Atlanta gets in, it’ll be in the wildcard slot. Our magic number is 4. Any combination of 4 Phillies wins/Braves losses and we’re in. You’ve got to be crazy to think that they can catch us.

  • Posts: 0 Whizwithout

    does anyone know if it is still possible for the phillies to clinch the division on mondays game at home?!?!? i have tickets to the game n really wanna be at the division clincher!

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    The Toma Hawks won’t win the div. But we need to clinch fast, because we got a lot banged up players right now…. Our BP/Chase and others could use the rest. It would also allow Cholly to setup the rotation and BP as he so chooses. We’re already w/o a closer….I don’t want any part of “Phils need to beat Marlins x number of times to seal the deal.”

  • Posts: 0 Whizwithout

    Repeat!- do u kno if they can win the division monday given the braves won today or no?

  • Posts: 0 Chris.I

    Im interested to know what Manuel will do tonight with the Lineup…The whole team has horrible numbers against Looper Except Howard, and Utley. Feliz is just 1 for 14 against Looper, so I think it would be a smart idea to play Dobbs at 3rd tonight since he’s 1 for 2 with a HR.

    Numbers as a team against Looper

    Rollins- 8 for 37- 6 Ks
    Victorino- 2 for 9
    Utley- 5 for 14- 1 HR
    Howard- 4 for 6- 3 HR- 4 BB
    Werth- 1 for 6
    Ibanez- 0 for 3
    Feliz- 1 for 14- 2 Ks
    Bako- 0 for 2- 1 K (If hes even available)
    Dobbs- 1 for 2- 1 HR

  • Posts: 0 Chris.I

    Ooops I meant to say Rollins has decent numbers against Looper as well, and he’s faced Looper more times than anyone else on the team through out the years

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Pretty confident that the Phils will win their division. Do I think closer by committee will work? It could and if it means not laying your cards out on the table with Brad Lidge, I will def take that chance!

    The offense can carry this team but, the Phils are conspicuously missing some key bats at a very critical time. Names like Utley, Victorino, Ibanez all come to mind. Will Chooch be ready for the post season? I sure hope so. I would hate to believe that the Phils need to rely heavily on Bako to do what he has been incapable of doing his entire career – being a dependable backstop and bat.

    Now, if Cole can find that switch he was talking about a few days ago and turn it on during the playoffs, that would be something truly amazing. I am concerned and I do feel that there will be a ticket refund coming my way this year…

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Yes they could actually. Win tonite and it’s 3…. We tomm plus a Braves loss and it’s down to 1. And like magic, the Phillies clinch on Monday with a win. And with you in attendance…

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    The ERA for Parro (before last nights game) was almost 6.30. The ERA for the opposition for the next 5 games is as follows:
    Tonight: Brewers, Looper at 5.12
    9/27 – Brewers, Bush at 6.22
    9/28 – Astros, Lopez (?) at 8.44
    9/29 – Astros, Bazardo at 9.55

  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Sorry, then
    9/30 – Astros, Moehler at 5.21

    This SHOULD BE easy pickens for the Phils, really.

  • Posts: 0 Repeat!

    Ok, Now I’m getting excited…. Rollins…. to Utley…. relay….. double play!……The Phillies are the National League Eastern Division Champions.. How will they clinch the N.L. East this year?? It’s hard to top that one…. Damn, I miss Harry K.

  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Wow, I thought the magic number was 5. Yes, Monday is possible.

  • Posts: 0 Dan

    ruben is not making a mockery of the situation. it would be making a mockery of the situation if he just said nothing and let everything run wild. what the phillies bullpen needs now is order and for everyone to know what their job is.

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