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> <channel><title>Comments on: Philadelphia and LA: A Tale of Two Sweatshops</title> <atom:link href="http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/</link> <description>Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 05:17:11 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1</generator> <item><title>By: Magic Tricks Revealed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-169954</link> <dc:creator>Magic Tricks Revealed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:31:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-169954</guid> <description>Cheers for the info mate. Im going to bookmark your webpage in Facebook if thats okay...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers for the info mate. Im going to bookmark your webpage in Facebook if thats okay&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143997</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:47:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143997</guid> <description>Joedad - how about jiggapops....lolliwatt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joedad &#8211; how about jiggapops&#8230;.lolliwatt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joedad</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143986</link> <dc:creator>joedad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143986</guid> <description>Corey, perhaps you would offend less people if you use the term jiggawatts instead of dollars. If that offends some, then replace jiggawatts with lollipops.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey, perhaps you would offend less people if you use the term jiggawatts instead of dollars. If that offends some, then replace jiggawatts with lollipops.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LH</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143965</link> <dc:creator>LH</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:14:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143965</guid> <description>Corey I enjoyed reading your article and the alternative way of looking at the value of our team.  Although, I’ll leave the determination of a baseball player’s salary based on factors like WAR value to the baseball agents.  But it was worth a first look at WAR for me.  Your final follow-up comments help to soften your perspective.  The Phillies fan support has been extraordinary in these hard economic times and I wasn’t surprise you received some tough comments.  It was a good try and don’t be dismayed.Original Chuck P - I agree with you whole heartily. Ryan Howard was often unappreciated because of his strikeouts, especially combined with last year’s low BA, until September ’08 when he was a machine at the plate.  He has continue improving this year by watching his health and lowering his weight while not affecting his power, better defense, and more base stealing.  Howard has had four seasons with 45+ home runs and 130+ RBIs. Only two other players in baseball history have hit 130 RBIs and 45 home runs in four consecutive seasons and Howard Ryan is one of them.  The other two are Ken Griffey Jr. and Babe Ruth.  The Babe did it six consecutive seasons and had a godlike OBP.  But the movement has been growing towards the realization that Howard is a rare individual who can carry our team to victory with one swipe of his bat.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey I enjoyed reading your article and the alternative way of looking at the value of our team.  Although, I’ll leave the determination of a baseball player’s salary based on factors like WAR value to the baseball agents.  But it was worth a first look at WAR for me.  Your final follow-up comments help to soften your perspective.  The Phillies fan support has been extraordinary in these hard economic times and I wasn’t surprise you received some tough comments.  It was a good try and don’t be dismayed.</p><p>Original Chuck P &#8211; I agree with you whole heartily. Ryan Howard was often unappreciated because of his strikeouts, especially combined with last year’s low BA, until September ’08 when he was a machine at the plate.  He has continue improving this year by watching his health and lowering his weight while not affecting his power, better defense, and more base stealing.  Howard has had four seasons with 45+ home runs and 130+ RBIs. Only two other players in baseball history have hit 130 RBIs and 45 home runs in four consecutive seasons and Howard Ryan is one of them.  The other two are Ken Griffey Jr. and Babe Ruth.  The Babe did it six consecutive seasons and had a godlike OBP.  But the movement has been growing towards the realization that Howard is a rare individual who can carry our team to victory with one swipe of his bat.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: j reed</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143878</link> <dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:01:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143878</guid> <description>Corey -  did you just take a crap in the Pope&#039;s hat?  Please write more....your stuff is well researched and well reasoned.
Also, I am carperter who has struggled in these tough economic times...I can&#039;t even get a job at Lowes because I&#039;m over qualified to schlep crap into people&#039;s cars....and guess what I&#039;m not offended in the least that your writing about players salaries...why? BECAUSE IT&#039;S F***KIN&#039; IRRELEVANT.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey &#8211;  did you just take a crap in the Pope&#8217;s hat?  Please write more&#8230;.your stuff is well researched and well reasoned.<br
/> Also, I am carperter who has struggled in these tough economic times&#8230;I can&#8217;t even get a job at Lowes because I&#8217;m over qualified to schlep crap into people&#8217;s cars&#8230;.and guess what I&#8217;m not offended in the least that your writing about players salaries&#8230;why? BECAUSE IT&#8217;S F***KIN&#8217; IRRELEVANT.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143856</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:40:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143856</guid> <description>Bruce - If I cared about how much money a player was worth WHILE I was watching a Phillies game, I would stop watching baseball altogether. I&#039;m not thinking about salaries or WAR while I&#039;m watching a game....who in their right mind would do that?I watch the Phillies the same way you watch the Phillies. I&#039;m up with every base-hit and groan every time they can&#039;t get a guy in from third with less than two outs.But when analyzing baseball, I use stats. Period. Numbers tell stories, and unless they are swayed by a biased person, they rarely lie. I would prefer to prove the point I am making rather than base the topic on my opinion alone, because why would I want to be like the other 100,000 writers that wrote the same end-of-year analysis for the Phillies?Would you prefer to find the exact same content here that you would find at any other Phillies site or newspaper? In this case, I found a distinct difference between what the Phillies hitters earned this year and how much they were worth.The main thing to take away from this article is that the Phillies had an amazing offensive season in 2009, and 1-8, everybody contributed significantly. The financial aspect of this was secondary. It was used to display an understandable comparison to WAR, and how every Phillie produced more runs than expected.In the case of a guy like Ruiz, it was fascinating. In the case of guys like Werth and Victorino who are making chicken-scratch compared to players of their caliber, the value is unbelievable.If its between writing the typical &quot;Phillies are good, two MVP&#039;s and a future MVP, bla bla bla&quot; article, and actually PROVING the point I&#039;m trying to make, I&#039;ll prove it every time. It&#039;s easy to disagree with opinions or homer-ism. It&#039;s hard to disagree with facts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce &#8211; If I cared about how much money a player was worth WHILE I was watching a Phillies game, I would stop watching baseball altogether. I&#8217;m not thinking about salaries or WAR while I&#8217;m watching a game&#8230;.who in their right mind would do that?</p><p>I watch the Phillies the same way you watch the Phillies. I&#8217;m up with every base-hit and groan every time they can&#8217;t get a guy in from third with less than two outs.</p><p>But when analyzing baseball, I use stats. Period. Numbers tell stories, and unless they are swayed by a biased person, they rarely lie. I would prefer to prove the point I am making rather than base the topic on my opinion alone, because why would I want to be like the other 100,000 writers that wrote the same end-of-year analysis for the Phillies?</p><p>Would you prefer to find the exact same content here that you would find at any other Phillies site or newspaper? In this case, I found a distinct difference between what the Phillies hitters earned this year and how much they were worth.</p><p>The main thing to take away from this article is that the Phillies had an amazing offensive season in 2009, and 1-8, everybody contributed significantly. The financial aspect of this was secondary. It was used to display an understandable comparison to WAR, and how every Phillie produced more runs than expected.</p><p>In the case of a guy like Ruiz, it was fascinating. In the case of guys like Werth and Victorino who are making chicken-scratch compared to players of their caliber, the value is unbelievable.</p><p>If its between writing the typical &#8220;Phillies are good, two MVP&#8217;s and a future MVP, bla bla bla&#8221; article, and actually PROVING the point I&#8217;m trying to make, I&#8217;ll prove it every time. It&#8217;s easy to disagree with opinions or homer-ism. It&#8217;s hard to disagree with facts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bruce</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143854</link> <dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:29:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143854</guid> <description>Cory, I&#039;m sure there are many fans like you who share your fascination with numbers that determines a player&#039;s true financial worth vs actual salary. However, I suspect a vast majority of fans (I&#039;m included) don&#039;t give a hoot about the money aspects when it comes to the game of baseball. We follow and support our team and what they accomplished
ON the field. The furthest thing on our mind is a player&#039;s salary when we watch a game situation with RISP and a Utley or Howard at bat. :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, I&#8217;m sure there are many fans like you who share your fascination with numbers that determines a player&#8217;s true financial worth vs actual salary. However, I suspect a vast majority of fans (I&#8217;m included) don&#8217;t give a hoot about the money aspects when it comes to the game of baseball. We follow and support our team and what they accomplished<br
/> ON the field. The furthest thing on our mind is a player&#8217;s salary when we watch a game situation with RISP and a Utley or Howard at bat. :-)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143847</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:24:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143847</guid> <description>George - Turning the double play? Really? That&#039;s the argument here?I&#039;m not trying to be condescending, but I don&#039;t know how many times I must insist that fielding is one of many components of WAR.Also, as I&#039;ve stated NUMEROUS times in the article and in the comments section, the $34.2 million that Utley is worth DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL REALISTICALLY GET THAT IN THE FREE AGENT MARKET. As Joedad just said, the $&#039;s of WAR is slightly skewed. But the WAR itself, is not.The dollar value is based on the fact that, from 2006-2008, inflation of contracts included, every free agent contract has shown that 1 Win Above Replacement = $4.5M.Things like &quot;clutch hitting&quot; and striking out a key player in a key situation aren&#039;t quantifiable. How would you define clutch, George? I&#039;m curious?Because odds are, your definition is different than Joedad&#039;s definition, my definition, Amanda Orr&#039;s definition, Mitch Williams&#039; definition, etc.If a player hits a game-winning homer in the ninth inning of Game 1 of the NLDS and then goes 0-8 through the rest of the series with runners in scoring position, is he &quot;clutch?&quot;Clutch is a cute little term that offers VERY little meaning, because its based on YOUR PERCEPTION OF A PLAYER.Also, I really think you&#039;re misunderstanding what &quot;replacement player&quot; means, which I don&#039;t get, because everybody else seems to grasp the concept pretty well.Just so you get it a little better, let me give you examples of 2009 players who offered replacement value:Alex Rios was a replacement player, based on his .247/.296/.395 season while playing average defense in left field.Edgar Renteria was a replacement player, so was Daniel Murphy, so were Kaz Matsui and Garret Anderson. All four of these players either had a NEGATIVE WAR, meaning that they COST their team wins based on not getting on base or hitting enough extra-base hits, and playing poor defense. Hell, maybe even failing to get one of your fabled &quot;clutch&quot; hits.Now let me ask you, would Kaz Matsui be a suitable replacement for Utley? Would you balk at that? Kaz Matsui = Tadahito Iguchi.Do you understand what a replacement player is now? Do you understand why WAR explains a player&#039;s value fully and completely? And shows that if Utley were replaced by Bruntlett, Cairo, Giles, or a guy like Matsui/Iguchi (in any season other than his less-than-half-year small sample size with the Phillies)the Phillies would have 7-8 fewer wins?Once again, I apologize if this was condescending because my intention isn&#039;t to offend anybody, but I fail to see your argument.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George &#8211; Turning the double play? Really? That&#8217;s the argument here?</p><p>I&#8217;m not trying to be condescending, but I don&#8217;t know how many times I must insist that fielding is one of many components of WAR.</p><p>Also, as I&#8217;ve stated NUMEROUS times in the article and in the comments section, the $34.2 million that Utley is worth DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL REALISTICALLY GET THAT IN THE FREE AGENT MARKET. As Joedad just said, the $&#8217;s of WAR is slightly skewed. But the WAR itself, is not.</p><p>The dollar value is based on the fact that, from 2006-2008, inflation of contracts included, every free agent contract has shown that 1 Win Above Replacement = $4.5M.</p><p>Things like &#8220;clutch hitting&#8221; and striking out a key player in a key situation aren&#8217;t quantifiable. How would you define clutch, George? I&#8217;m curious?</p><p>Because odds are, your definition is different than Joedad&#8217;s definition, my definition, Amanda Orr&#8217;s definition, Mitch Williams&#8217; definition, etc.</p><p>If a player hits a game-winning homer in the ninth inning of Game 1 of the NLDS and then goes 0-8 through the rest of the series with runners in scoring position, is he &#8220;clutch?&#8221;</p><p>Clutch is a cute little term that offers VERY little meaning, because its based on YOUR PERCEPTION OF A PLAYER.</p><p>Also, I really think you&#8217;re misunderstanding what &#8220;replacement player&#8221; means, which I don&#8217;t get, because everybody else seems to grasp the concept pretty well.</p><p>Just so you get it a little better, let me give you examples of 2009 players who offered replacement value:</p><p>Alex Rios was a replacement player, based on his .247/.296/.395 season while playing average defense in left field.</p><p>Edgar Renteria was a replacement player, so was Daniel Murphy, so were Kaz Matsui and Garret Anderson. All four of these players either had a NEGATIVE WAR, meaning that they COST their team wins based on not getting on base or hitting enough extra-base hits, and playing poor defense. Hell, maybe even failing to get one of your fabled &#8220;clutch&#8221; hits.</p><p>Now let me ask you, would Kaz Matsui be a suitable replacement for Utley? Would you balk at that? Kaz Matsui = Tadahito Iguchi.</p><p>Do you understand what a replacement player is now? Do you understand why WAR explains a player&#8217;s value fully and completely? And shows that if Utley were replaced by Bruntlett, Cairo, Giles, or a guy like Matsui/Iguchi (in any season other than his less-than-half-year small sample size with the Phillies)the Phillies would have 7-8 fewer wins?</p><p>Once again, I apologize if this was condescending because my intention isn&#8217;t to offend anybody, but I fail to see your argument.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joedad</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143840</link> <dc:creator>joedad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:43:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143840</guid> <description>The $&#039;s of WAR might be skewed since no players are currently worth $30 million plus but the concept makes sense. The Mets are a perfect example of what happens when you use a &quot;replacement players&quot; and lose wins without Reyes, Beltran and Delgado.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The $&#8217;s of WAR might be skewed since no players are currently worth $30 million plus but the concept makes sense. The Mets are a perfect example of what happens when you use a &#8220;replacement players&#8221; and lose wins without Reyes, Beltran and Delgado.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: George</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143838</link> <dc:creator>George</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:18:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143838</guid> <description>Corey:I suppose you have sat in on recent contract negotiations, and so you know how much W.A.R figures in.As far as Iguchi&#039;s numbers are concerned, he had a career couple of months when with the Phils; had the front office gone strictly by W.A.R. they would have missed out on a man who actually did do a better than average job as a &quot;replacement.&quot;And with Marcus Giles, he was washed up and never made it out of Spring Training, so his alleged numbers are totally irrelevant.If you want a true replacement value, you can&#039;t supply the names of AAA level players, washed up veterans, or emergency call-ups. Even though clubs can&#039;t replace entire rosters with the very best, they usually try to find those who can perform somewhat better than little leaguers. As far as the Mets not trading for anyone, I believe there were several affordable first basemen available after Delgado went down. They just chose not to trade, and used a platoon--or maybe it was an entire regiment--of second rate players, instead.W.A.R. also does not fully state a player&#039;s true value. How many times does an over-the-hill bench warmer hit a world series home run? How many times does a highly paid veteran slump in the big series? You can&#039;t just say that the Phils would have won eight more games with Utley instead of Giles.It&#039;s likely front offices utilize W.A.R. to some extent, but there are many other factors involved, I&#039;m sure. You have to look at things like clutch hitting, striking out a player in a key situation, turning the double play.If W.A.R. really reflected a player&#039;s worth, no one could afford to run a baseball team.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey:</p><p>I suppose you have sat in on recent contract negotiations, and so you know how much W.A.R figures in.</p><p>As far as Iguchi&#8217;s numbers are concerned, he had a career couple of months when with the Phils; had the front office gone strictly by W.A.R. they would have missed out on a man who actually did do a better than average job as a &#8220;replacement.&#8221;</p><p>And with Marcus Giles, he was washed up and never made it out of Spring Training, so his alleged numbers are totally irrelevant.</p><p>If you want a true replacement value, you can&#8217;t supply the names of AAA level players, washed up veterans, or emergency call-ups. Even though clubs can&#8217;t replace entire rosters with the very best, they usually try to find those who can perform somewhat better than little leaguers. As far as the Mets not trading for anyone, I believe there were several affordable first basemen available after Delgado went down. They just chose not to trade, and used a platoon&#8211;or maybe it was an entire regiment&#8211;of second rate players, instead.</p><p>W.A.R. also does not fully state a player&#8217;s true value. How many times does an over-the-hill bench warmer hit a world series home run? How many times does a highly paid veteran slump in the big series? You can&#8217;t just say that the Phils would have won eight more games with Utley instead of Giles.</p><p>It&#8217;s likely front offices utilize W.A.R. to some extent, but there are many other factors involved, I&#8217;m sure. You have to look at things like clutch hitting, striking out a player in a key situation, turning the double play.</p><p>If W.A.R. really reflected a player&#8217;s worth, no one could afford to run a baseball team.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joedad</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143835</link> <dc:creator>joedad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:04:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143835</guid> <description>Lidge has been OK at home, only 1 blown save. Also the Phils have last at bats at home so if a save is blown, they can still come back in the bottom half. The road on the other hand...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lidge has been OK at home, only 1 blown save. Also the Phils have last at bats at home so if a save is blown, they can still come back in the bottom half. The road on the other hand&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Krukker</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143834</link> <dc:creator>The Krukker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:23:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143834</guid> <description>Hamels needs to bring his A game tomorrow.  I&#039;m thinking that if it&#039;s a close game in the end that Manuel is going with Madson in the 8th and Lidge in the 9th...God help us!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamels needs to bring his A game tomorrow.  I&#8217;m thinking that if it&#8217;s a close game in the end that Manuel is going with Madson in the 8th and Lidge in the 9th&#8230;God help us!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143833</link> <dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:37:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143833</guid> <description>Let&#039;s Go Phillies!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s Go Phillies!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dhall</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143832</link> <dc:creator>Dhall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:23:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143832</guid> <description>Agreed...all they do is insult, curse and talk down to people.  What a great bunch of guys!  Is everyone rooting for the same team here or what?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed&#8230;all they do is insult, curse and talk down to people.  What a great bunch of guys!  Is everyone rooting for the same team here or what?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian of CO</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143830</link> <dc:creator>Brian of CO</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:20:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143830</guid> <description>Thin skin huh Chris.  &quot;bunch of jerks&quot;.  Come on are you serious?  LOL.  thats kind of pathetic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thin skin huh Chris.  &#8220;bunch of jerks&#8221;.  Come on are you serious?  LOL.  thats kind of pathetic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143829</link> <dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:14:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143829</guid> <description>Man, you guys are really a bunch of jerks on this site...no wonder guys don&#039;t want to post here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you guys are really a bunch of jerks on this site&#8230;no wonder guys don&#8217;t want to post here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian of CO</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-2/#comment-143828</link> <dc:creator>Brian of CO</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:17:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143828</guid> <description>You have got to be a COMPLETE FREAKIN MORON to question so many decisions from Gillick and insinuate that he didnt do a very good job.  Last time I checked Gillick did a pretty darn good job assembling the Phillies.  And DHall.  I have to agree with Harry Kalas.  Boo freakin hoo hoo.  Cry me a river that Ryan Howard did look you in the eye.  You ask him if he is a 5 year old, and you cry about not looking into your eyes, and things like that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have got to be a COMPLETE FREAKIN MORON to question so many decisions from Gillick and insinuate that he didnt do a very good job.  Last time I checked Gillick did a pretty darn good job assembling the Phillies.  And DHall.  I have to agree with Harry Kalas.  Boo freakin hoo hoo.  Cry me a river that Ryan Howard did look you in the eye.  You ask him if he is a 5 year old, and you cry about not looking into your eyes, and things like that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-1/#comment-143822</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:06:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143822</guid> <description>Phreehold Dave - The Marlins spent $20,465,000 on their starting lineup, without the pro-rated portion they paid Nick Johnson. This includes Cantu, Uggla, Ramirez, Bonifacio, Ross, Hermida, Coghlan, Maybin, Baker, and Paulino.Those 10 players were worth $92.5M after the WAR conversion, with Hanley being worth 33.4M himself. Guys like Maybin and Hermida had down years, Bonifacio had NEGATIVE value because of a terrible OBP and bad defense, and Cantu&#039;s difference was almost as insignificant as that of Pedro Feliz.The $72M difference in those 10 hitters was still 13 million less than the Phillies, and once again, this article focused solely on offense. Pitching staffs were not included.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phreehold Dave &#8211; The Marlins spent $20,465,000 on their starting lineup, without the pro-rated portion they paid Nick Johnson. This includes Cantu, Uggla, Ramirez, Bonifacio, Ross, Hermida, Coghlan, Maybin, Baker, and Paulino.</p><p>Those 10 players were worth $92.5M after the WAR conversion, with Hanley being worth 33.4M himself. Guys like Maybin and Hermida had down years, Bonifacio had NEGATIVE value because of a terrible OBP and bad defense, and Cantu&#8217;s difference was almost as insignificant as that of Pedro Feliz.</p><p>The $72M difference in those 10 hitters was still 13 million less than the Phillies, and once again, this article focused solely on offense. Pitching staffs were not included.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Corey Seidman</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-1/#comment-143820</link> <dc:creator>Corey Seidman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:55:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143820</guid> <description>I meant every Phillie in the starting lineup, since this article did not mention anybody NOT in the starting lineup once. I figured that was self-explanatory since there was no other mention, but I can see how you would be confused. It&#039;s been corrected.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant every Phillie in the starting lineup, since this article did not mention anybody NOT in the starting lineup once. I figured that was self-explanatory since there was no other mention, but I can see how you would be confused. It&#8217;s been corrected.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr. Baseball</title><link>http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/10/philadelphia-and-la-a-tale-of-two-sweatshops/comment-page-1/#comment-143819</link> <dc:creator>Dr. Baseball</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:48:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9066#comment-143819</guid> <description>&quot;Literally every Phillie outperformed their 2009 salary&quot;There&#039;s no way Lidge even came close to outperforming his 11.5 million dollar salary, so how could &quot;literally every Phillie&quot; have outperformed his salary?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Literally every Phillie outperformed their 2009 salary&#8221;</p><p>There&#8217;s no way Lidge even came close to outperforming his 11.5 million dollar salary, so how could &#8220;literally every Phillie&#8221; have outperformed his salary?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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