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By: Corey Seidman

Corey Seidman — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:32:20 +0000

Woo!!!

By: jrollpatrol08

jrollpatrol08 — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:26:58 +0000

i too say beltre. he can be comfortably signed multiyear, which is more than you can say for polanco, derosa types. you need a multiyear guy now. the only heir to 3rd base for the phillies was sent to cleveland for cliff lee. there is no position depth in the minors at 3rd so sign beltre and his numbers/production will be great in the phils lineup.

u cant give up the farm for one year of halladay. you just cant. what if the phils do that and do not win the ws in 2010. then you have no trophy, no farm system, and no halladay. the only way the deal makes sense is if ruben can sign halladay multiyear and justify spending min 40mil per year on lee/halladay. you will see werth and ryan howard leave because there isnt enough money. you have no prospects to fill in the OF so youhave to spend more money on FA to fill in. you have an overpowering pitching with no offense, and become the sanfrancisco giants. no thanks. good luck sellin tickets with no homeruns

By: psujoe

psujoe — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:30:15 +0000

Here’s a nice look at the possible bull pen arms out there for those interested.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Phillies_Free_Agent_Preview_The_Pen.html

By: psujoe

psujoe — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:23:48 +0000

I’d love Pedro back at 3.5-4 mil. Sign Jammie Carroll as the new Bruntlett. Load up the pen and find a left handed bat in the OF.

By: Don M

Don M — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:44:44 +0000

According to Jayson Stark… Pedro Feliz was “hurt” that the Phillies did not pickup his option..

Baltimore is said to be very interested in Feliz

I think there fall-back plan is Pedro Feliz.. maybe for $3, or even $4 M, which would save them $1 or $2 Million, perfect for Relief Pitching

but lets see if Feliz (multiple World Series’ appearances, and a World Series Champion) cares to play for less money in Philadelphia (a place where he now wouldn’t feel wanted) .. or if he takes a slightly more money to play for a non-contending team

By: shag beta sigma delta

shag beta sigma delta — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:58:48 +0000

GW I fully agree, I feel Peter Happy will be back for between 3-4.5 million for one year and team option for 2011. That said if they could add a guy, DeRosa or PP as a bench guy to rest Feliz and Utley that would be Ideal. I think Pedro’s age and back issues needs more rest thoughout the year. He started out great at the plate and tailed off after the All-Star break. So if you can pick up a guy who can play third and second, and even SS once in a while that would be perfect. I think if Feliz can have a day off a week and say play 120-130 games a year he would become more consistent all year.
That would be my one and only issue with Charlie, he needs to rest these guys more than he has in the past.
I do not follow the minors a lot except what I here in here, and from that I think our pitching help can come from within, especially in the pen.

By: GWFightinsFan

GWFightinsFan — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:50:03 +0000

I think everyone is losing sight of the fact that its quite possible that Feliz will return. They declined the option because they probably think that he can be signed for less that the 5 mil or 5.5 mil than they would have had to pay him had they picked up his option. Maybe they can use some of the saved money to improve their pitching…

By: JJFritz

JJFritz — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:35:48 +0000

Feliz struggled offensively, agreed — most likely from his back problems. Defensively, we couldn’t ask for more. It’s a shame to see him go when we don’t really know what he could offensively if he was healthy. Just a thought. DeRosa is a little old, and may not be able to handle every day, as most of us agreed. Beltre — out of the price range. Figgins — perfect if we were looking for a leadoff, but with Vic and JRoll, that’s unrealistic. Polanco would be a good fit if we can expect a 34-year old to play 162 games a year… Most of you said that bringing in Polanco would give Utley much needed rest when needed. Moving Polanco back and forth between 2nd and 3rd while giving Utley rest and Dobbs time would not offer a very good transition for Polanco. Not a good idea. If DeRosa and/or Polanco are willing to play off the bench, why not sign both to 1-year deals with incentives and options. DeRosa can play outfield which would be great. And, whichever wins out at third, the other could be used for trade bait this summer. Just another thought.

By: Don M

Don M — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:57:17 +0000

I don’t see how Taylor, alone, can bring back any kind of insane return

Domonic Brown is ranked higher.. and again, I heard that the Blue Jays were more interested in Anthony Gose than Michael Taylor

I don’t think Taylor is actually in high demand around the league

By: psujoe

psujoe — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:27:45 +0000

If the Phils were to trade Taylor for Kouzmanoff the Pads would have to throw in someone like Adams.

By: Don M

Don M — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:31:52 +0000

Why would the Padres trade Kouzmanoff …for Savery or Kendrick? Do either of them project anywhere close to helping a major league team?

I’ve heard that Gose was on the Blue Jays list more than Taylor .. so I wonder if other teams are higher on Gose too?

I’m just thinking outside the box a little… we have a top prospect, Taylor, who doesn’t have anywhere to go right now in our organization (and a better prospect right behind him in our organization)

we have a team-need for a 3b.. sometimes you give up a lot, to fill a need

By: Manny

Manny — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:30:49 +0000

Let’s just teach Domonic to play 3rd…

By: Geoff

Geoff — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:21:34 +0000

Now Figgins will cost too much most likely. So its really between Beltre and DeRosa. But I think DeRosa is too old to play everyday like that.

Id send Taylor to SD for Koumanoff AND someone else.

By: Geoff

Geoff — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:19:30 +0000

Id liek to see them make offers to Figgins, Beltre and DeRosa first. Im not jazzed about an aging Polanco. De Rosa is old too…But if those guys dont pan out, then ABSOLUTELY they should go after Kouzmanoff. He would not cost Taylor either. You go like, Savery or Kendrick, Gose, and some other mid-level guys. Kouzmanoff isnt good enouigh to land a top 25 Prospect.

By: Don M

Don M — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:15:22 +0000

Who is a clear cut offensive upgrade over Feliz? that won’t cost us $10+ Million per year

Beltre hasn’t hit over .275 since 2004.. he’s an injury risk.. and will command big dollars

I would love him on my team, because batting 6th-7th, you wouldn’t need him to carry your team offensively .. but I think he’ll be asking way more than what the Phillies can afford to pay

Beltre or Tejada would be nice fits … I think Figgins is definitely OUT.. and I don’t think DeRosa or Polanco can play the type of defense we need at 3b

By: Geoff

Geoff — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:10:58 +0000

Thats my issue with it though, hes A major league 3b. But just that…Maybe hed be better at this ballpark, but he strikes out more than Feliz. I want a clear cut offensive upgrade over Feliz who can hold his own defensively.

By: Don M

Don M — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:10:39 +0000

Kouzmanoff is a career .287 hitter vs. Left-hand Pitching too

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I would rather make that deal than sign Polanco, DeRosa, etc..

I don’t think we can afford Figgins.. I think Beltre is a Boras client? Which would mean that he will try to seek crazy years & dollars for him. .

I think Miguel Tejada would be a really nice fit in our lineup, but what will his defense be like at 3rd base?

By: Don M

Don M — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:07:19 +0000

Brandon Phillips is probably the best player on that team… why would they trade him?

And young guys that play middle-infield aren’t thrilled about going to thirdbase

I think Phillips is unrealisitc..

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Kouzmanoff is young, with pretty decent power numbers for a guy that plays 81 games in one of the biggest ballparks in the majors.

He plays solid defense at a position that ask for just that.. and he would slot into the #7 spot perfectly

How much can Michael Taylor-alone get you in a trade??

He’s not our top prospect.. and you can maybe package him with other guys to make a nice trade package.. but what would you guys expect for Michael Taylor in a trade?

I would think that a Major League Thirdbaseman.. for our #2 OF prospect is a nice trade for both teams

By: Geoff

Geoff — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:01:06 +0000

league average