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Posted by Corey Seidman, Mon, November 09, 2009 02:05 AM | Comments: 120
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Coming up two wins shy of another World Championship was, indeed, a tough pill to swallow, but the Phillies were simply the second best team in 2009. All of the ugly flaws of this team made their way to the surface in the World Series, whether it be a lack of situational hitting, a decrepit bench, or the continued struggles of ’08 heroes and ’09 goats, Cole Hamels and Brad Lidge.

Brian Cashman, along with whichever Steinbrenner is currently running the Yankees, spent close to $210 million on the 2009 payroll to limit weaknesses, field a near-perfect team, and win a World Series. Congratulations to the two men and their quarter-billion dollar payroll. The money was thrown around properly and resulted in celebration, and a flustered Mark Teixeira running around the field exclaiming, “We did it!” as if this was a bunch of rag-tag players nobody believed in. To that, I “LOL.”

Room for Improvement

But what I took from the World Series is that, as incredible as the Phillies were this past season, there were still many aspects of this club that needed, and will need, improvement. It’s truly amazing to me that I even sit here writing this piece, as a fan and analyst of a team that had a better year than 28 other clubs, all of which were surely envious of the 2009 Philadelphia Phillies.

Alas, here we are, entering a great time of the year – the offseason. Some call it the “hot stove,” although I don’t really understand why. It’s one of those unexplainable things, you know, like the nickname “Melky” being derived from Eudernyi Cabrera.

The Phillies have the chance this offseason to transform into a near-perfect team. With two consecutive World Series appearances, exponential growth in local and national popularity, and some hefty contracts coming off the books in 2010, Ruben Amaro will have some serious cash to spend in the coming months. If spent properly, there is no reason the Phillies cannot wrap up the NL East early, sweep through the playoffs, and reclaim their rightful trophy from the feminine hands of Johnny Damon and company.

Off the Books

First, let’s take a look at which contracts come off the books next season.

  • Brett Myers is gone, which is sad in some ways, but necessary in others. The long-time Phillie understood how to endure the expectations and tough-love from Philly fans, probably because he was such a blue-collar guy, himself. I, like all of you I’m sure, wish Myers all the best in his future endeavors, but am glad to see his $12M salary erased from the Phillies payroll.
  • Also subtracted from the payroll are the $8,833,333 the Phillies were still paying to Adam Eaton, and $6.75M to Geoff Jenkins. Due to buyout provisions, the Phils are still on the hook with both players in 2010, but only for a combined $1.75M.
  • Matt Stairs made $1M in 2009, but due to declining power and usefulness, he will only receive a minor-league contract from the Phillies next year, if he receives one at all.

Quick math shows that this is $26,833,333 coming off the books in 2010. The Phillies opening day payroll in ’09 was $113M, fifteen million dollars more than the 2008 opening day payroll. But, according to Mat Swartz, a Phillies fan and writer for Baseball Prospectus with a doctorate in economics from Penn, the Phillies have shown in recent years that they value marginal wins over strict payroll trends.

What this means is, under Pat Gillick and Ruben Amaro, the team has shown a willingness to add players who can contribute a win or two (think Kyle Lohse, Joe Blanton, etc.), because the difference of winning 90 games instead of 88 will also boost regular season AND playoff revenue, making the added contracts well worth the price of admission.

For this reason, it is not unrealistic to expect the Phillies to spend MORE in 2010 than they did in 2009. A payroll between $125M and $135M is, by no means, unreasonable.

Plenty of Raises

Just so we’re all on the same page at this point, let’s recognize that the subtraction of $27M from the contracts of Myers, Eaton, Jenkins, and Stairs would leave the 2010 payroll at $86M. But, we then have to factor in the raises that certain players have that will increase the ’10 payroll.

  • Jayson Werth made $2.5M in 2009, and will make $7.5M in 2010. He’s a steal at both prices.
  • Ryan Howard goes up from $15M to $19M, once again, a steal at both prices.
  • Chase Utley goes from $11.3 million to $15.3 million.
  • Raul Ibanez goes from $7.167M to $12.167M.
  • Cole Hamels’ contract is raised from $4.35M to $6.65M.
  • Ryan Madson goes from $2.33M to $4.83M.
  • Finally, Greg Dobbs goes from $1.15M to $1.35M.

All of these raises equal a $23 million payroll increase from 2009 to 2010. When subtracting the $27M from Myers, Eaton, Jenkins, and Stairs, then adding the raises, as well as the $8M option that was just excercised on Cliff Lee’s contract, the 2010 payroll is $108M as of today.

The Arbitration Guys

However, this leaves out the contract statuses of Shane Victorino, Carlos Ruiz, Joe Blanton, Clay Condrey, and Chad Durbin, all of whom are subject to arbitration this offseason. Last year, the Phillies successfully avoided arbitration with guys like Hamels, Howard, Madson, Blanton, etc. by working out deals prior to the hearings.

The following are merely educated guesses based on what players made in 2009, what they will be worth next year, and Ruben Amaro’s preference toward locking guys up during several arbitrations years.

  • Shane Victorino will likely be signed to a deal similar to that of Jayson Werth (2 yr/$10M.) I could see Victorino getting a two-year deal as well, between $8-10 million. So, his 2010 salary will be in the $4-5M range.
  • Carlos Ruiz will also likely be signed to a two-year deal, totaling $6M. Can you believe he made $475,000 in ’09?!
  • Joe Blanton made $5.475M in ’09, he will probably settle for around $6.5 in 2010.
  • The Phillies will likely only keep Chad Durbin OR Clay Condrey, not both. Based on the fact that Durbin would command at least $2.25M next season, while Condrey would make $1M or less, Condrey looks like the more efficient, safer choice.

These theoretical raises to Victorino, Ruiz, Blanton, and Condrey would add approximately $15M to the 2010 payroll, making it $123M.

The Undecideds

This leaves three guys – Chan Ho Park, Scott Eyre, and Pedro Feliz. The Phillies have already contacted Scott Boras about re-signing Park, which, if accomplished, would be a deal worth about $3.5M. Eyre has said that he is undecided, but if he returns, it will be with the Phillies. I’m guessing that he comes back after a stellar 2009. He’ll match his 2009 earnings, making $2M or slightly more.

The decision to decline Feliz’ club option was made over the weekend. If the Phillies had exercised his option, he would have made $5M; the buyout costs just $500,000. Based on a bad offensive second half and a lack of postseason production, I think Ruben Amaro will explore other options at third base. Feliz has been a great defender at the hot corner, but the Phillies could greatly improve their offense by signing or acquiring a better offensive third baseman who will get rid of the “black hole,” as my brother calls it, in the seven-spot.

The Wishlist

Now that the boring part is over, let’s take a look at potential upgrades the Phillies could make. If the contract issues are worked out similar to my hypotheses, the 2010 payroll would be around $125M, before any additions are made. Some tinkering needs to be done, and I believe Ruben Amaro is the right man for the job.

Roy Halladay

You thought you were done seeing his name on this site? Think again. The Blue Jays STILL need to rid themselves of Halladay while he still has some value, and this winter is the time to do it. The pricetag on Halladay will not be as high as it was several months ago, because now the team that acquires him will only have his services for one season. He is a free agent after 2010, a season in which he is scheduled to make $15.75M.

The idea of trading for Halladay is not as unrealistic as you may think. He would be a MUCH better option than John Lackey, the top pitcher on the market that every Phillies writer is seemingly already calling for. Why? Because, A) he is undoubtedly better, and B) he’ll be cheaper.

Lackey likely won’t earn $15.75M or more in 2010, but he will receive a five or six year contract, similar to the value of what A.J. Burnett made. It would be unwise for a team like the Phillies to commit five or six years to a pitcher like Lackey, who will likely not be worth the money several years down the road.

New Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopolous has subtly stated that the Halladay talks will only involve a few teams, because many do not have the finances or young talent to acquire the former Cy Young winner. The Phillies are one of those few teams.

What would it take to get Halladay? After consulting with several other prominent baseball writers, the consensus seems to be J.A. Happ, either Dominic Brown or Michael Taylor, and a fringe prospect. This probably sounds similar to the deal that was once on the table, but keep in mind that Kyle Drabek would stay put, as would either Brown or Taylor.

To those thinking that Happ and Brown/Taylor is still too high a price to pay for one season of Roy Halladay, let’s take a look at a little bit of logic. Having an outfield of Ibanez, Victorino, and Werth means you do not need two great outfield prospects, you only need one, at most. If Brown/Taylor gets traded to Toronto and becomes an all-star, very well. That doesn’t change the fact that both face major roadblocks.

Losing a very good rookie like Happ would be hard, but is there any doubt whatsoever that Halladay is a massive upgrade over Happ? Sure, Halladay would only be around for one year while Happ could be for five, but isn’t the goal to win now, while this nucleus is in its prime and still intact?

At first glance, the notion of trading for Halladay may seem unrealistic, but due to his impending free agency, he is actually a relatively cheap acquisition. Expect the Phillies to once again make a serious push for him.

Adrian Beltre

For a while, I was calling for Chone Figgins. During Game Six of the World Series, I wrote on the Phillies Nation twitter that I would be the campaign manager for “Figgins to Philadelphia 2010.” But Figgins is coming off of a career year, will likely carry a price tag greater than his actual worth, and would realistically be a weird fit with the Phillies. He is more of a leadoff batter than a seventh hitter, so either he, Jimmy Rollins, or Shane Victorino would have to drop in the order. It wouldn’t be an ideal situation.

Adrian Beltre, on the other hand, would be a perfect fit in Philadelphia. He is an incredible defensive third baseman, ranking in the top three in all of baseball in Ultimate Zone Rating in five of the past six seasons. Not only would there be no dropoff in the field from Pedro Feliz to Beltre, there would actually be an improvement. With the exception of 2007, Beltre has finished with better defensive metrics than Feliz in every season since 2004.

Beltre is also a much better hitter than Feliz. Discounting this past season, in which Beltre was limited to 111 games due to injury, the former Mariner and Dodger has compiled a slugging percentage above league-average every year since 2001, hit 25 or more homers four times, and better than 35 doubles three times.

Beltre’s clear flaw is plate discipline, but he represents an upgrade over Feliz in THAT category, too. Beltre’s career .325 on-base percentage is not ideal, but it is a massive improvement over Feliz’ unbelievably low .293 OBP.

Since Beltre is coming off a down, injury-riddled season, he will be much less expensive than Figgins. At age 30, with better speed, power, plate vision, and defense than Feliz, Beltre would be a very nice addition to the Phillies.

J.J. Putz

Putz was awful for the Mets in 2009, so it was no surprise when New York declined his $9M option for 2010. Despite never finding a niche with the Mets and missing half the season with an elbow injury, Putz would be a good low-risk, high-reward signing.

The flame-throwing righty would serve as an insurance policy to Brad Lidge, should Lidge struggle again. Putz’ presence would also allow Ryan Madson to remain the setup man next season, even in the event of continued scuffling from Lidge. As we saw this past season, taking Madson out of his eighth inning role creates a domino effect where every reliever must begin pitching outside his comfort zone. Adding Putz would aid this potential problem.

Since so much uncertainty surrounds the former Mariners closer, Putz will likely command an incentive-laden contract. If he meets many of the incentives drawn out in his contract, you will know that he’s done his job as a late-inning reliever. Signing Putz and letting Durbin or Condrey walk would significantly improve the bullpen.

Yorvit Torrealba

Torrealba is the prototypical backup catcher: he is a powerful right-handed hitter who can be very dangerous when in the midst of a hot streak, but below average defense subtracts some of his value. He would be the ideal understudy to Carlos Ruiz, because he could step in several days a week and actually provide some offense, unlike Chris Coste and Paul Bako in 2009.

Torrealba would also add another semi-dangerous bat to the Phillies thin bench, which was an evident weakness all season.

Nomar Garciaparra/Jason Giambi

I list these two former superstars because the Phillies need experienced offensive threats on the bench. Even at age 36, Garciaparra is still a very good right-handed bat off the bench, and could be had for a reasonable price. He can play first, third, and even shortstop, if necessary.

Should the Phillies choose not to re-sign Matt Stairs, Giambi would be an adequate replacement. Despite our collective affection for Stairs, it should not be overlooked that everything that Stairs does, Giambi does better. The one thing Stairs did do well in 2009 was work deep counts and take free passes, but plate discipline is also Giambi’s strong suit.

Jerry Hairston, Jr.

Hairston is a utility man that can play the infield and outfield. Due to his superior speed and offensive ability, Hairston would be a massive upgrade over Eric Bruntlett. He is also a decent option as a pinch-runner or late-inning defensive replacement.

If the Phillies cannot land Hairston, other upgrades over Bruntlett include: Adam Kennedy, Mark Loretta, Wilson Betemit, and every other living human.

LOOGY

Ruben Amaro should pursue a Joe Beimel-type just in case Eyre retires and/or J.C. Romero fails to recapture his mojo from seasons past. Guys like Beimel can be signed to very cheap contracts, so there should be no excuse to entering next season with few options outside of Romero, Eyre, and guys like Sergio Escalona.

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  • Posts: 311 Corey Seidman

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    Torrealba’s a much better hitter than Zaun. The only thing Zaun has on Yorvit is the fact that he’s a switch hitter.

    Soriano and Valverde will get big contracts, north of what J.C. Romero and Madson make, and it would be pointless to sign either when you could get essentially the same pitcher in Putz, for far less money.

    If you want to talk about injuries/ineffectiveness, remember that Soriano is as injury-prone as it gets, and 2009 was his best season.

    I’d actually love having Polanco back, having him hit seventh would be awesome. But his defense at third would be inferior to that of Beltre or Feliz, and it’s hard to imagine the Phils going after him.

     
  • Posts: 0 DY

    Really awesome read! The early offseason can be a real bore (just like the very late offseason right before spring training when things are pretty much all set), but it’s great stuff like this that can spice up the day.

    I truly feel that making your best shot to land Halladay is the best way to go. His price is reduced, you’ll have him for at least one year (hopefully another championship year), and he’s reportedly a great high character guy and one who might be amicable to an extension that’s based on the prospect of winning with the team just as much as it is on the pure dollars and cents aspect. Now a lot of people are expressing apprehension when considering the price, but this team really is in a win now mode. I still remember when we were close but not good enough, and we were watching the young years of Rollins, Utley, Howard, and to some extent even Burrell go by, all the while wondering if this seemingly special group would ever be given a better opportunity to actually achieve something.

    Well, they certainly have achieved, and are primed to continue to achieve…NOW. A price of Happ, hopefully Taylor (since he’s a little older as well as lesser in stature as a pure thoroughbred prospect), and another mid-level prospect (maybe Savery?) would be incredible for Halladay. Happ was good this season, for sure, but there is no guarantee that he’s going to continue having better, or even the SAME, success next year and onward. Just as Howard was a ROY and tore up the league when he came up, and then came back to earth in terms of batting average and increasing strikeouts, MLB players are paid the big ones to figure each other out. Pitchers started figuring Howard out, coming up with better game plans on how to approach him (go for the SO or pitch around). It’s a testament to him that he’s still able to put up such huge offensive production numbers given that. The same goes for pitchers. It takes a very special breed to start out good and then remain as good and get even better seamlessly. Just ask Cole Hamels. And guess what, no one ever spoke about Happ in the same parameters as they’ve spoken about Hamels regarding stuff. Happ is also basically a two-pitch pitcher, fastball and slider. He has a serviceable change-up, but this year, he really did it with his deceptive fastball. How long is that going to remain so deceptive? And is Happ going to be good enough to develop that third reliable pitch? I mean, that’s a job that is even facing Hamels now.

    Anyway, my point is, I would go with the proven guy with numerous great pitches, rather than a rookie sensation that has just as much chance to become a flash in the pan rather than a continued good pitcher, ESPECIALLY considering the current makeup and objectives of our team. It’s not like during the time that Halladay and/or Lee are hopefully here in a Phillies uniform that the Phillies aren’t going to be developing any more pitchers who could make up for their eventual departure as well as the absence of Happ. You’ve got Drabek, Stutes, etc. as well as drafts over the next couple of years.

    So, Ruben, if you can, pull that trigger! Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Blanton, Moyer or whoever as the 5th starter. Make that dream a reality!

    As for the other moves I’d really like, totally with the Beltre move. Younger, slightly better at the plate, great defense, AND won’t take compensation to sign, meaning he’s not a Type A free agent (which Chone Figgins is). For the bullpen, I think Putz is definitely worth a flyer, and perhaps even Soriano (but he might be too expensive). Let Durbin walk, get Eyre back in the fold, and make sure to re-sign Chan-Ho! Finally, getting a guy like Garciaparra or Hairston to give Rollins and Utley a break every now and then would be stellar. As for backup catcher, I’m not sure I’m totally with you on Torrealba, but it might not be that bad of an idea considering that he always seems to rake at CBP.

    Whatever the case, if the Phillies offseasons moves are headlined by, and even limited to, the additions of Halladay, Beltre, Putz, and a Garciaparra type, I would be ecstatic! Can’t wait for the 2010 to start!

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    @David: Totally agree the AL is better than the NL. It is obvious in the All-Star Game and with some of the players. Maybe the DH has something to do with it, but there should be some effort made to make the leagues a little more even.

    That doesn’t mean the Yankees were better than the Phillies this year.
    If Tex is called out on strikes which he should have been, A-Rod gets a double, and Hamels gets Posada out, it is a 3-0 game going into the bottom of the 4th. Now, in the top of the 5th Hamels doesn’t face Pettite in a meaningful at bat.

    That is only a small change, not too far fetched that gives the Phillies a chance to win Game 3. Also, there was something about Game 4 I didn’t like either, the Phillies playing from behind when they should of been ahead. Something about Game 3 & 4 because of the call I don’t go for. I’ll give the Yankees Game 2 & Game 6, the Phillies Game 1 & Game 5, but Games 3 & 4 were too weird for me and I do not count them as an even competition of what both teams were capable of. That is just me, you can say the Yankees are champs, but to me I don’t say that. I am a fan, not a player so I have that right.

    Now you can look at it as being a sore loser, but if fans don’t make a point to get the calls correct, it will keep happening. I am not being a sore loser, I do not want this to happen again, and if you write stories and make comments and act like the A-Rod camera call wasn’t a big deal. Guess what. It will happen again, and the Phillies will be on the wrong side of it again.

    You look at the call like this:The Yankees got the call and won the World Series. They didn’t not get the call and win the World Series. To me that would be proof of a real champion. It is the same thing in the Super Bowl with the Steelers vs. Cardinals. The Steelers got the late call with Santonio Holmes and they got the last call with Kurt Warner supposedly fumbling the ball. They didn’t not get the Holmes call and not get the Warner call and win the game. But when the fans talk about the games all they say is stop complaining and being a baby, but the fact is the team that lost didn’t get the call.

    Now let me ask you this. When in the last few years has a team NOT gotten the controversal call and WON the game or series? How about never. So even if I was a Yankees fan I would want the call to be a double because I would want to win without controversy.

    Then you go back and you say “Well they got the call correct”. But they didn’t get the Tex call right in the at bat before A-Rod. They clearly got that call wrong, it was a strike, Tex should have been punched out on a 3-2 pitch. So saying they got the call right doesn’t mean anything because NOT EVERY CALL IN A SPORTS GAME IS CORRECT.

    So all the play means is that AGAIN the team that GETS the controversal call WINS the game or series. Check out the last few years in sports. This is what is happening. Teams aren’t losing the call and winning the game. Nobody is doing that. Had the Phillies won the series it would have proved to me they are the best. However with the Yankees winning the series, it doesn’t prove to me they are the best. It proves they got the big call that gave them a better chance to win.

    And the last thing about the play is that it made me sick for 18 consecutive hours I was up 18 consecutive hours after the play. The ball DOES NOT look like it is leaving the park. It drops significantly and is so close to the fence that the call disgusts me. Remember Ryan Howard’s home run in Game 6? That barely made it out, but it was a good 5 feet over the fence. This ball would not have cleared by more than 1 foot, if at all, and because of that it should not have been ruled a home run.

    Cole had retired 10 of 11 batters and was pitching a no-hitter. He is the World Series MVP of 2008 and the Phillies were defending world champions. The pitch he made to Tex was a punch out, no doubt. When a pitcher is piching like that, and has not given up a hit up until the 4th, if the ball is borderline it should be called a strike, no doubt. But it wasn’t and then the Phillies got screwed in their own World Championship ballpark.

    You can call me a baby, and a sore loser but the bottom line is this. If you forget about the play, it will happen again. Wouldn’t be suprised if I saw something like this again in the 2010 World Series.

    You want to give the Yankees a championship that is fine, everybody is doing it. But to me it is half a championship. Let the call be ruled a double and lets see how the Phillies do. If the call is ruled a double and the Phillies win Game 3, or have enough in them to forget about it and not play from behind in Game 4, and end up winning the series, you wouldn’t be saying the Yankees are just the best and are better than the Phillies, you would be saying the Phillies are better than the Yankees because they won the series.

    In the end, you are saying the Yankees are better than the Phillies because they GOT the call AND won the series. However, if the Yankees didn’t get the call, you wouldn’t have enough information to say the Yankees are better than the Phillies because you don’t know what would have happened had the score been kept at 3-0.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    Again, all anybody saw in the World Series was the A-Rod play being called a home run and the Yankees winning. You didn’t see the play being called a double. You only saw one scenario. You only watched the scenario where the Yankees got the big call. You didn’t watch the scenario where the Phillies got the big call. And that is why I do not say the Yankees are better than the Phillies. Nothing was proved by the series, because you only saw one side of the story. Yes the Yankees won 103 games, but that doesn’t make a World Champion, that was the regular season.

    Nobody watched the ball being ruled a double and the Yankees winning the World Series. Nobody. And because that didn’t happen, there isn’t enough for me to say the Yankees are better than the Phillies. It isn’t enough for me to say the Phillies are better than the Yankees either.

    For me personally, because of the way the call went down, the 2009 World Series meant nothing and it showed me nothing about who was a better team. Everybody in the world can disagree with me, it doesn’t matter, because as a fan I have a right to feel this way.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    Jason Werth cannot go run up to the ump and get in the umps face. Rollins can’t run in all the way from short to argue the call. Charlie can’t blast the media after the game. The Phillies players can’t complain and say this and that and criticize rules and officials. Because then there will be consequences to the team. The players have to act fairly and maturely because they have signed contracts and it is there jobs.

    The fans can act differently. And that is one reason why I am a little bit dissapointed in Phillies fans when anylyzing this play. I still haven’t seen proof of the ball going over the fence and that disgusts me. Yet everybody wants to “move on” and “get over it”. To me that is what the players should be doing. The fans should be saying something differently not because what happened in the past, so something like this doesn’t happen again.

    I’m from NY and kind of wanted to go to Philly for the game, but I don’t want to drive so I stay home.
    Had I been in the ballpark when the A-Rod play went down, I would have ran onto the field no matter where I was sitting and gotten in Gerry Davis’s face, because I do not like calls like that. I do not like when they do that in pro sports, and over the past few years it has been happening alot.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    I couldn’t agree more with Keith E. This team just stopped in the WS –
    Why? Who knows – but remember the terrible first month of the season where every single starter was on pace to break records in most HRs allowed? It was atrocious! Never saw anything like it and it was amazing that they straightened most of the pitching out after that.

    Joedad – your point about Beltre is noted – the guy signed a 5 year $64 million contract after that monster season he had in LA – and never, ever came close to reproducing those stats again but he certainly has demanded the money and who would think he might sign for a significant amount less? Not me..

    Then Joedad, your credibility was lost when you started talking about trading Vic, the player who has improved in nearly every stat, year after year. I think his best is yet to come and he is in the right spot to shine. Keep Vic – forget Beltre.

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Brooks, I did not suggest trading Victorino. One of my posts above was summarizing some of the more insane comments on this blog, such as trading Victorino and replacing him with Taylor. That would be asinine.

    Another thing against Beltre is that he will need to play next season for about 1/3 to 1/2 his current salary. Again, i can’t trust someone like that.

     
  • Posts: 0 karen

    I am sorry, but how can Hamels even be considered a top of the rotation starter? Yes, he was great in 2008 but that is no guarantee that he can ever be that guy again. On top of that, his attitude is sickening. The fact that Hamels was even being considered for a game 7 start is ridiculous but I understand loyalty to a guy who did it last year regardless of current performance. Additionally, Happ will never be good enough to satisfy philly which is irritating but I will stick up for him as he has great potential and will be around more than a year, which Halliday may not. I will be a fan of whatever team Happ is on so I am fine either way

     
  • Posts: 0 lol @ Mike S

    How was the A-Rod homerun controversial? It hit the camera at the top of the lense and would have gone out PLUS the umps decided before the game that it would be a homerun if the ball hit it. That’s why it didn’t take long for them to review. Do you really think the Yankees won because of balls and strikes calls?

    I feel bad that you watch baseball.

     
  • Posts: 0 lol @ Mike S

    Also, the Yankee payroll is going down while the Phillie payroll is going up and will be top 5 in the league next year. If they get a big name it will easily be in the $140 million range while the Yankees will be back under $200 milllion.

    One poster wrote that he would like to see the Yankees payroll after “luxury payoffs”…ummmm how does that make the payroll go up? Are you talking about luxury tax or bonuses?

    Any Phillies fans here complain about payroll when theirs was $70 or $80 million more than the Rays in 2008?

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    It didn’t hit the top of the camera lens, it hit the middle. Haven’t seen one video anywhere of proof that the ball was 100% going out of the ballpark. Even where it hit on the camera that was barely 1 foot higher than the fence, so if the camera was onto the field of play anywhere from 8-12 inches, obviously noone knows for sure if the ball was going out.

    Don’t just sit there and say the ball was going out of the park. Show me the video and show me the proof, because the videos from MLB that day show nothing conclusives. Show me proof that the ball was going over the fence, not what the media says.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    A-Rod did NOT hit a Home Run in the 2009 World Series. This is the information I found: “The camera (seen in the picture below) is less than a foot off from the top of the wall, so the umps didn’t notice that it hit the camera”

    If the camera is less than a foot off the top of the wall, how does the ball clear than more than 1 foot? If it clears less than 1 foot, how is that clearly a home run. This call was 100% bogus.

    You can see in the picture itself, when it hits the camera it appears to be at most 10-12 inches higher than the wall. The camera extended onto the field and the ball stopped at the 329 mark, it never went 330 feet. It wasn’t a home run, plain and simple, its just that nobody wants to admit it.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    let it go …

     
  • Posts: 0 Haha

    Mike Schmidt, what a crybaby sore loser you are. A-Rod didnt hit a home run, booo hoo … the yankees spend so much money … boo hoo!
    You lost, get over it!

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    Let what go? First of all I’m not interested in how much money the Yankees spent. Could care less if they spent 100 billion dollars I never made any statement about that.

    The ball isn’t going over the fence plain and simple. First of all, watch the original replay as it happens in real time. Before the umps go into the dugout they show a pic of A-Rod over at 2nd base, then they switch quickly to show you a picture what leads you to believe that is the exact same right field camera as it was before the ball was hit. Watch it on mlb.com. At 1:46 to 1:47 they show you that pic for just 1 or 2 seconds then immediately change to show you the ump twirling his finger like its a home run. In that pic at 1:46 to 1:47 the camera is higher above the fence then it was when the ball hit the camera.

    Every other real time video shows that the bottom of the camera is extremely close to the top of the fence. In fact, the small space between the 1st and 2nd bar at the top of the screen fence is the same space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence. When they switch at 1:46 to 1:47 to show you that pic, before the umps have made their decision, the space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence is TWICE what it was when the ball hit the camera, and TWICE what it was in every other real game time video when the ball hit the camera.

    Just look at the pic from 1:46 to 1:47 that is NOT how high the camera was over the fence. It was much closer than that.

    Now take the infamous side angle when Werth retrives the ball. First of all, it is not an EXACT side angle. There is NO exact side angle, no picture or video anywhere whatsoever that shows exactly how far out in front of the fence the camera is. They give you that side angle on the original replay but it is NOT and exact side angle.

    Now on that infamous side angle notice how there is no space between the bottom of the camera and the top of the fence. Also notice at the 325 mark, how high the ball is over the fence. Before it hits the camera at the 329 mark, the ball DROPS 8 feet. The baseball DROPS 8 feet top to bottom with only 4 feet left before it hits the fence, so OBVIOUSLY the ball was dropping and it was much closer to going straight downward than horizontilly. Also on that side angle, the camera blocks a large portion of the yellow right field foul pole. If the camera was in foul territory, from NO angle from the left of Werth, would it show the camera blocking any portion of the right field foul pole. From that angle the camera ALSO blocks the bottom yellow bar of the right field foul pole. That not only means the camera is in fair territory, it also means that the bottom of the camera is even with the bottom horizontal bar of the yellow right field foul pole.

    When they show you a pic of the camera with nobody in the stands, the bottom of the camera is higher than the bottom bar of the yellow foul pole. When they show you that pic at 1:46 & 1:47 the camera is higher than the bottom bar of the yellow foul pole. HOWEVER, when the ball actually HIT the camera, the camera is EVEN with the bottom of the foul pole.

    In conlusion, there is NO conclusive picture, or video ANYWHERE on the internet which shows that this is 100% a home run. There is nothing ANYWHERE which proves through video, pictures or trajectory projections that this is a home run. ABSOLUETELY NO WHERE. I have found several pictures that supposedly show the right field camera and have seen it in 3 DIFFERENT POSITIONS than where it actually was WHEN THE BALL HIT THE CAMERA.

    Therefore not only is it NOT a home run, there is no proof ANYWHERE which shows why this ball was going over the fence, because it was not.

    I’m not interested in salaries, not interested in anything that happened later in the series either. All I am interested in is the fact that the ball is NOT going over the fence. That’s all.

    And I’ve read many comments about what people think about the play, and there were a few by Phillies fans who were in right field that night, and they said there was no way for sure of telling where the ball was going to land. So until there is a picture, video, or something which proves the ball is going over the fence, it isn’t. Even over 2 weeks after the incident WHERE IS THE PROOF???

    Because there isn’t any proof. Because the ball didn’t go over the fence. It still hasn’t gone over the fence, it only traveled 329 feet, not enough for a home run, the sign on the wall says 330, not 329 + a camera. Sorry NO home run.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    1.Why did Texeira stop at 3rd base?
    2.Why did A-Rod stop at 2nd base?
    3.Why was it originally ruled a double?
    4.Why in MLB official rules does it state that a ball hitting a camera overhanging from the fence shall be considered part of the fence and in play?
    5.Why does it say that exact same thing in the rules for Citizens Bank Park?
    6.Why was Charlie Manuel unaware of the supposed “ground rule”
    7. Why did they use replay to check on a “ground rule” they made up because they supposedly didn’t have replay to check where the camera was?
    8.Why were the umps in and out in 15 seconds?
    9.Where is the video or picture PROOF that this was a home run? Not a guess, the PROOF anywhere on the internet?
    10.Why did Gerry Davis say he doesn’t control what the camerman does with the camera, then proceeds to control the cameraman for Game 4?
    11.Why did Gerry Davis say he doesn’t control what the camerman does with the camera, when he has instant replay to PROVE exactly what the camerman does with the camera?
    12.Why was the cameraman in fair territory?
    13.Where is the EXACT side angle?
    14.Why does the ball drop 8 feet with only 4 feet to go?
    15.Why didn’t the umps move the camera back instead of making up a ground rule?
    16.Why are there pictures that show the camera at 3 different lenghts from the top of the fence?

    Are you going to answer ALL 15 questions correctly? I don’t think so. Because its not a home run. The ball never went over the fence. There is no PROOF, even to this day.

    For starters, try answering question 13 before you think you know where the ball was going.

    How about NOT over the fence, how does that sound.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    Now check this out.

    Go to baseball-reference and look at the play by play for Game 3 Here it is:NYY A. Rodriguez C. Hamels Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF); Teixeira Scores.

    Really? Fly Ball to Deep LF. So Jayson Werth plays LF, no he doesn’t. Why isn’t the play listed as RF in the box score? Does baseball-reference get box scores wrong? No.

    Go to yahoo and look at the play by play for Game 3 Here it is:Top 4th: NY Yankees
    - J. Damon flied out to right center
    - M. Teixeira walked
    - A. Rodriguez doubled to right, M. Teixeira to third
    - J. Posada grounded out to shortstop
    - R. Cano fouled out to catcher

    2 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors

    2 runs? Really? Then who scored? Looks like Yahoo got it right, do you see how it says “doubled” and not “HR”, because A-Rod didn’t hit a home run.

    People are starting to realize now that the ball was NOT a home run. And in time the truth will come out. It WASN”T a home run and the umps got the call WRONG.

    Next I’m going to post the thousands of comments made by readers saying why it was NOT a home run. Also, notice how all the people who say it wasn’t a home run go into detail and describe the play. And notice how the people who say it was a home run, don’t go into any detail about the play and try to bring up comparisons between the Phillies and Yankees, like it has something to do with the play. It doesn’t. The play has nothing to do with anything else in the world, excpet for the simple fact that the ball WASN”T going over the fence, and NEVER did.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bryant Abato

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  • Posts: 0 Orjan Nilsen

    Armin Van Buuren’s simply on top of his class, I actually was watching the dutch world cup game with him and his marketing chief a few weeks ago. He is an inspiring music producer, person.

     
 
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