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Hamels Struggles Getting the Best of Him

Posted by Jason Bintliff, Sun, November 01, 2009 10:32 AM | Comments: 103
Posts, World Series 2009

CBSSports.com is reporting that Cole Hamels “can’t wait for it to end.”

One can only assume the season, and although he probably isn’t pushing for a quick conclusion to the current series, Hamel’s frustrations certainly came to a crescendo on Saturday night. As he exited the game, Phillies faithful let Hamels know just how much they appreciated his latest postseason outing, one in which he struggled through 4.1 innings, while giving up five earned runs, via the “boooo.” 

Don’t fret, as poorly as Hamels has performed this season and more specifically this post season, the end has already arrived. It is doubtful that Hamels will make another start in this series.

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  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Pardon the front running bastard for expecting the Ace and opening day starter to perfrom in any level.
    Dont worry Hamels mafia. He will be on the red carpet shortly.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    OR.. since people that know baseball expected Hamels to struggle this season, after having such an increase in Innings Pitched last year ….. why are we going to give up on 25-year-old kid who is LOADED WITH TALENT, for having a sub-par follow up season to his Championship-season?

    Maybe he’s done for the year.. Happ can get a start if it comes back around to him

    But to blast Hamels is just being petty, and ignorant for what he did last year …

    I’m 26 years old, and thanks to Cole Hamels, I got to see a Championship last year …. I’m not going to trade him because he’s not leading us to a 2nd one right now .. I’d rather wait, let him get his full-rest in the offseason, and see him bounce-back next season

    But if everyone is sure that he’s spent for his entire career, maybe we should start a list going of everyone that wants to trade him right now .. then next year, we’ll look back and see who regrets voting YES

    He doesn’t get a lifetime pass .. but he gets a year, without a doubt .

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    “Opening Day Starter” .. wrong..

    “ACE” .. yea, he was Phucking AWESOME last year in guiding us to the World Series .. but its a shame it took all of his arm strength to pitch so well in the 2008 playoffs .. it really set him back for this year, but of course it was well worth it

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    What are you talking about? How is 10-11 with a 4.32 ERA and 1.29 WHIP a TERRIBLE year? How can anyone take you seriously?

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Ok I am truely not knowledgable. At least I am learing here.
    How many years though? How many years can a below .500 pitcher on a world series team continue to lose games in every series? 5? 10? 15?
    Why do you and Cole feel entitled to start when you were the 6th best starter all year? Last night? Moyer looks good no?
    One of you who expected and knew this was coming tell me how many years. I didnt expect him to be under .500 with a league average ERA.
    But dont take me seriously.
    answer?
    I am hoping its to the low side.

     
  • Posts: 0 Patrick

    Bigtimefrillyfan- your Giants/Eagles prediction was a little off. 40-17 Eagles with 2 mins left.

    Go Phils

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Hamels deserves to be reemed but trading a 25 year old who won a WS MVP in what his second year? I’m sure Rueben doesn’t want to be the laugh stock of the league which is what he’d be giving up on that potenial. Not like their isn’t always a premiun on starting pitching.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    You’re raving, Andrew. A 4.32 ERA isn’t what you want from your ace but it’s hardly the “the worst player on the team.” He’s had one off year and you start invoking the specter of him stinking 5-15 years. Overreact much? You don’t accept losing? How did you make it from 1993-2008 as a Phillies fan without giving yourself a heart attack and/or murdering Pat Burrell?
    Here, read this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/04/07/yearafter.effect/index.html

    And learn how to spell.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    He definitely however, doesn’t deserve to pitch game seven. Only in an emergency

     
  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    Ok, look guys, it was a tough loss last night, no doubt…but I think we all knew it was going to be a long series anyhow, and after all somebody had to win Game 3, it just happened to not be the Phillies. If they win tonight, then suddenly we’re back in business. We’ve got Lee going in Game 5, so you’d have to think the advantage lies with us there, so then bam, if all goes as planned, we just have to find a way to win one of two in New York and we repeat as champions!! As for Hamels, I agree he probably shouldn’t start another game this series, but to talk of trading him is just silly. He’s got too much talent and potential for that…

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    GWFightins – is that GW as in George Washington Univeristy in D.C.?

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    I wouldn’t start him in a potential game 7 but he would be an option in relief. He is OK the 1st time through the lineup.

     
  • Posts: 0 Scott in D.C.

    Game 3 and 4 are/were all about the Bridge to Lee. Come Monday, either Hamels or Blanton would have to have mustered a win. Hamels failed.

    Big Joe: Phillies Nation turns its anxious eyes to you.

     
  • Posts: 0 GWFightinsFan

    jreed- yes as in George Washington U

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’m pretty sure Andrew was on here before the start of the postseason raving about the “below .500″ record for Hamels

    and multiple people tried to explain how a pitchers W-L record isn’t the most accurate indicator of his season.. his 4.32 ERA or whatever it was.. wasn’t great by any means, but isn’t bad at all

    It means that he went out and gave his team (THE BEST OFFENSE IN THE NL) a chance to WIN almost every time he took the hill ..


    I think most people were just bitching.. I was pissed that he had yet another lousy start too, but for people to suggest trading him.. and then backing up that statement with more ridiculous comments shows a lack of baseball knowledge

    Andrew shows a lack of appreciation and a lack of class on this Hamels’ subject… I, for one, am tired of having to defend our entire roster everytime we lose a god damn game..

    This is the best Phillies team in our 126 year history as an organization.. with a chance to win Back to Back World Series titles .. so enough with the “lets trade so-and-so” talk because none of the guys on the farm will ever do what this group is doing now .. this is a once-in-a-lifetime run .. You don’t know what you got til its gone

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Joedad – agreed….it just that another go thru the line-up and it’s pretty hard to mix it up with just a 4 seamer and a change-up. I think you can do if have a good two-seamer like Burnett or a sinker like Cook. Both are great pitches but guys often get burned with them when they can’t control the movement or sink and give up alot of BB or are forced to throw into the middle of the plate. That why i was hoping to see Hamels get it up into the mid 90′s last night because then he could power thru the line-up for a few a innings. By the 3rd inning his velocity was dropping into the 87-89 region…the pitch selection in the inning of doom however that was just stupid. Ruiz is also a guilty party in that fiasco.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    GW – i went to school in DC as well. Lived there for awhile but now i’m back in Bucks County

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    As others have said, you DON’T TRADE Hamels.

    You simply don’t give up on a 25-year old with his talent and track record.

    We all know he had a terrible year. But it’s not uncommon for young pitchers to take a step back after a break out year.

    IT HAPPENED TO CLIFF LEE!

    In two years, Hamels will be 27 and will be dominant. I hope he’s wearing pinstripes.

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    I mean, I hope he’s wearing RED pinstripes.

     
  • Posts: 0 Philly Texan

    Don M,

    Well put. Couldn’t agree more.

    I think the large majority of fans do appreciate how special this team is and what a great run we’re on.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike

    I agree this is a very special team. But I also understand the venting on here re Hamels. Let’s face it – he has turned in a lousy outing every single time he has taken the mound this postseason. As I said in my post above, we don’t know exactly what the issue(s) is with him. BUT, his body language during the game and some of his post-game comments are cause for any Phillies fan to shake his or her head in disgust because he is hurting this very special team with his me-first attitude. At one point during the game, the camera caught him in the dugout with his head reclined as if he were ready to take a nap. I don’t recall seeing that type of bored, self-absorbed detachment last postseason. Furthermore, his comments to the media that he just wants this season to be over are incredibly selfish and insinuate that since he is not performing well he could care less whether the team wins. His teammates and us fans deserve much better. Seriously, he does not deserve do be defended for this, no matter how well he might have performed last year. Now i guarantee you won’t see any of that childish nonsense from Blanton tonight. He will head out to the mound with his lunchpail and pitch his ass off like he does every start.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    Can we now please focus on GAME 4? It starts in 3 hours!! Let’s go Phillies!!! Let’s go Heavy B!!!!!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Alright i just heard on the radio that Hamels shook of Ruiz during the inning of doom. Mea culpa Ruiz

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    that’s “shook off Ruiz”

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    lets not take Hamels out of context either.. he clearly doesn’t want the season to end FOR THE TEAM.. he means HIS SEASON

    He realizes he’s not getting the job done right now.. time to rest, reset, and get back out there for next season is what he needs

    He’s not the ME-FIRST player that we all want to pretend he is … he’s a guy with crazy-talent.. and the proven ability to win BIG GAMES.


    C.C. Sabathia coming off full-rest, and going on short-rest is usually very good … expect him to be sharp tonight, hopefully our 2-3-4 hitters can get something going, and the guys carrying us so far Werth, and Ruiz .. can hit with people on base!

    Let’s Go Phillies!

     
  • Posts: 0 Ed R.

    Well that’s just foolish on Hamels part. Ruiz clearly knows what he is doing. Ruiz should have walked out to the mound…(did he) and told Hamels to just put his pride inside and let Ruiz guide him through it. That is what catchers, good one’s can do. Guys like Ruiz and Varitek are hard to come by. Maybe not the best offensive catchers but definitely among the best game callers there is.

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    “camera caught him in the dugout with his head reclined as if he were ready to take a nap” – that was when the Phils were batting in the bottom of the first. Pitchers usually don’t pay attention when their team is hitting because they want to stay focused on pitching. To me it looked like he was relaxed and confident similar to Lee in game 1. He pitched a lights out 1st inning.

    People are just looking for things to knock him down because he doesn’t talk like a tough guy or because he made money making commercials or because he married a hot chick and had a baby or because he has stinky feet. If he was self-absorbed as some of you claim, he would have taken a tougher stance on contract negotiations last year. He took a lower than market value deal. Tell me what is self absorbed about that.

    Who is to say that he isn’t just embarrassed at the way he is pitching and doesn’t like the way he is letting his team down?

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    So do you think after last night paltry output by our lefties that Ibanez will sit and Francisco take his spot in the line-up?

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    I dont think so jreed. Charlie didn’t do it in the stretch run so I can’t imagine him doing it now.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Ed R. – yeah, that’s what i thought too. I just didn’t know until I heard about it. Apparently in an interview he said that he keep shaking off Ruiz. I couldn’t believe it . I don’t think Ruiz went to the mound which if he didn’t he should of…maybe that was out of ’08 WS MVP respect. Did Dubee come out of after the 3 consecutive curveballs to below the Mendoza line Swisher? I can’t remember. He should have if he didn’t. What is weird is that what’s burned him against Manny…but those were change-ups and cost him two runs. I can understand if a guy hangs a pitch or misses his spot but not for making such tatical guffaws like that. Hamels gets the Spicoli Award for that crap. Still like you said eariler you don’t trade him.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    joedad-
    I just thought with his sportsman’s hernia out in the open Manuel might reconsider. It’s gotta hurt just about every time he swings the bat.

     
  • Posts: 0 schwalmy

    hamels and whatever to the blue jay for holliday this offseason he dissappears to al hell pitchin agains the rays, sox and yanks. we get a guy who wants to be a phil and bring us another title!

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris.I

    Watching those cheesey Comcast commercials starring yours truly ”Cole Hamels lastnight, after he came out the game really made me want to throw my beer at the TV…Cole is SO fuking overrated, its not even funny! I, myself am tired also of sticking up for his ass. Before the game started, I was telling everyone ”Watch! Hamels is going to pitch the game of his career”. Of course I was laughed at this morning, but I’m sure not as bad as he was for that awful performance.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay on the same team. Whoa…we would put up historic numbers….

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    We should keep in mind that Hamels, by baseball standards, was rushed into the Show. Maybe we are seeing fallout from that. The monor leagues are there for pitchers to learn not only gamemanship but secondary pitches…the Bigs is not the place, unless your on the Pirates, that you want to experiment with new pitches.

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    Why would you think Hamels would pitch the game of his life? Nothing pointed to that happening. Don’t be pissed at him because he can’t back your outlandish predictions ;)

    The Phils couldn’t afford Lee and Halladay past next year. Lee will get $20 million plus when his contract is up if he pitches like he is capable next year. I’d love to see Halladay here next year but not at the expense of Hamels.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    joedad – we can dream. As I’ve annoited you the Nostradomus of Phillies Nation what do you think will happen in the off season

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    You have to admit, Lee and Halladay would be the most brutal pitching tandem MLB has seen in some time

     
  • Posts: 0 joedad

    j reed, I dreamed the same thing just after getting Lee this year, hoping a miraclulous acquisition of Halladay. Would have been sweet. I haven’t though about the offseason much. It will depend if they win it all this year IMO

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Im raving? He didnt earn any of these starts. He has sucked in each and every one. couldnt Moyer or basicly any person have pitched similar. Yup i am pissed.
    I dont understand how this happened. I know the old man is loyal but be loyal to the guys who go you here. Chambles did not. when under .500 teams start getting to the series he may be the man then.
    I didnt think he earned a start in the post season. and hes pitched like it. Pedro has 2 good starts in the postseason. I expcet one from balnton tongiht.
    What gets me is that to me its unjustifiable. Except that the old man will trot out the same old same old. Liek lee getting full rest. I can repect that. But Moyer Happ and Blanton and Pedro all earned it more this year.
    I wonder what kind of endorsements Chambles will get now.

     
  • Posts: 0 poomie

    Get rid of Hamels

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew

    Hes got value now. Hes a hollywood head case. We have Jennifer Tilly as one of our top end pitchers. I dont see it working out.
    Be like watching Jon Runyan commercials during the game he let strahan get 7 sacks. its a bit annoying.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    The thing about the A-Rod double is simple. The umps made up a ground rule that anything that hits a camera is a home run. Their reasoning behind it is that they do not control what the cameraman does with the camera. That reasoning is a lie. They do control what the camerman does with the camera, they are moving him back for game 4 and they also control what the cameraman does with the camera by having instant replay. Instant replay can check to see where the camerman is, the umps don’t need to make up a ground rule about cameras. That ground rule that the umps made up is inconsistent with having instant replay. And they used the instant replay to uphold a bogus rule that should only be in effect when they do not have instant replay. That is why the call is bogus.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    The ground rule that the umps made up is inconsistent with having instant replay. The rule states that any ball hitting a camera is a home run because the umps do not control the camerman. That is only true when the umps do not have instant replay. Because the umps have instant replay their reasoning behind the ground rule is a lie and the ground rule is illegal.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    The reasoning behind the ground rule is only valid when the umps do not have access to instant replay. If they do not have access to instant replay they cannot control what the camerman does. If they do have access to instant replay they can control what the cameraman does by checking the instant replay to make the correct call. Because the reasoning behind the ground rule was invalid the ground rule is illegal, because they used instant replay to uphold it, a clear contradiction.

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Andrew don’t tell me that even if he were available you’d put moyer out there to face the Yankees…maybe he earned it but that would be disasterous….that said if Happ hadn’t reinjured his oblique, I’d be all for Happ and benching Hamels. Since he re-injured it he hasn’t had any good outings and has in the post season thrown himself in batter’s counts way too many times. Granted Hamels has been horrid but as far as we know is health hasn’t been compromised. Happ’s stuff looks flat, lacks finish and any bite. However if we get to a game seven I’d go Happ over Hamels. That’s a no brainer at this point. As to getting rid of Hamels just because his value is high is short sighted unless you get an offer you can’t refuse. What do you think we can get in return?

     
  • Posts: 0 j reed

    Schmidt on the Good Phight Blog there are some interesting points made about this subject in the comment section of last night’s game recap. scroll about half way down the page. Also another contradiction involves fan interference. If the umps are allowed to make rule before the game then that rule shouldn’t contradict or dispute another established rule which in this case could be fan interference rule.

     
  • Posts: 0 chuckS

    With all the debate over starting Joe tonight over a short rested Cliff i have a simple question. If Cliff started tonight who would pitch tommorrow?

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    Thanks J reed will check. I’m just surprised MLB isn’t getting this call right. Its contradictory. Controlling cameras because they don’t have control over cameras.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike Schmidt

    I read the comments on phight blog, but nobody is stating it the way I am stating it. Gerry Davis said they do not control the cameras so they made the ground rule. They do control the cameras that is what instant replay is.
    Instant replay=control of cameras
    Rule is illegal.

     
 
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