Comments on: Hamels Struggles Getting the Best of Him http://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/ Your source for Phillies news, events, trade rumors, tickets, bars and other fun stuff. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:33:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: dadhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-3/#comment-155253 dad Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:55:23 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-155253 cman cole... keep pounding the corner, get him to chase one outside cman cole… keep pounding the corner, get him to chase one outside

]]> By: Mikehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-3/#comment-155159 Mike Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:22:36 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-155159 Yeah, Hamels is a real bargain at $8million a year. ROI = 10-11 with a 4.32 ERA. That's mediocre at best. Second, Hamels' season ends when the Phillies season ends. Not before, not after. Give me a break, don't defend his self-centered bullshit. Yeah, Hamels is a real bargain at $8million a year. ROI = 10-11 with a 4.32 ERA. That’s mediocre at best. Second, Hamels’ season ends when the Phillies season ends. Not before, not after. Give me a break, don’t defend his self-centered bullshit.

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-3/#comment-154664 j reed Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:11:35 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154664 chuckS - yeah Blanton is more than capable to keep the game winnable. I paniced last night and thought Lee thinking Lee could go on three day rest two times in a row. Not that he couldn't but never has....the "never has side" of the equation is an unknown and quite a gamble chuckS – yeah Blanton is more than capable to keep the game winnable. I paniced last night and thought Lee thinking Lee could go on three day rest two times in a row. Not that he couldn’t but never has….the “never has side” of the equation is an unknown and quite a gamble

]]> By: Mike Schmidthttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154657 Mike Schmidt Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:09:14 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154657 I read the comments on phight blog, but nobody is stating it the way I am stating it. Gerry Davis said they do not control the cameras so they made the ground rule. They do control the cameras that is what instant replay is. Instant replay=control of cameras Rule is illegal. I read the comments on phight blog, but nobody is stating it the way I am stating it. Gerry Davis said they do not control the cameras so they made the ground rule. They do control the cameras that is what instant replay is.
Instant replay=control of cameras
Rule is illegal.

]]> By: Mike Schmidthttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154653 Mike Schmidt Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:54:29 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154653 Thanks J reed will check. I'm just surprised MLB isn't getting this call right. Its contradictory. Controlling cameras because they don't have control over cameras. Thanks J reed will check. I’m just surprised MLB isn’t getting this call right. Its contradictory. Controlling cameras because they don’t have control over cameras.

]]> By: chuckShttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154648 chuckS Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:50:08 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154648 With all the debate over starting Joe tonight over a short rested Cliff i have a simple question. If Cliff started tonight who would pitch tommorrow? With all the debate over starting Joe tonight over a short rested Cliff i have a simple question. If Cliff started tonight who would pitch tommorrow?

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154645 j reed Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:39:51 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154645 Schmidt on the Good Phight Blog there are some interesting points made about this subject in the comment section of last night's game recap. scroll about half way down the page. Also another contradiction involves fan interference. If the umps are allowed to make rule before the game then that rule shouldn't contradict or dispute another established rule which in this case could be fan interference rule. Schmidt on the Good Phight Blog there are some interesting points made about this subject in the comment section of last night’s game recap. scroll about half way down the page. Also another contradiction involves fan interference. If the umps are allowed to make rule before the game then that rule shouldn’t contradict or dispute another established rule which in this case could be fan interference rule.

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154642 j reed Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:31:31 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154642 Andrew don't tell me that even if he were available you'd put moyer out there to face the Yankees...maybe he earned it but that would be disasterous....that said if Happ hadn't reinjured his oblique, I'd be all for Happ and benching Hamels. Since he re-injured it he hasn't had any good outings and has in the post season thrown himself in batter's counts way too many times. Granted Hamels has been horrid but as far as we know is health hasn't been compromised. Happ's stuff looks flat, lacks finish and any bite. However if we get to a game seven I'd go Happ over Hamels. That's a no brainer at this point. As to getting rid of Hamels just because his value is high is short sighted unless you get an offer you can't refuse. What do you think we can get in return? Andrew don’t tell me that even if he were available you’d put moyer out there to face the Yankees…maybe he earned it but that would be disasterous….that said if Happ hadn’t reinjured his oblique, I’d be all for Happ and benching Hamels. Since he re-injured it he hasn’t had any good outings and has in the post season thrown himself in batter’s counts way too many times. Granted Hamels has been horrid but as far as we know is health hasn’t been compromised. Happ’s stuff looks flat, lacks finish and any bite. However if we get to a game seven I’d go Happ over Hamels. That’s a no brainer at this point. As to getting rid of Hamels just because his value is high is short sighted unless you get an offer you can’t refuse. What do you think we can get in return?

]]> By: Mike Schmidthttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154641 Mike Schmidt Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:31:30 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154641 The reasoning behind the ground rule is only valid when the umps do not have access to instant replay. If they do not have access to instant replay they cannot control what the camerman does. If they do have access to instant replay they can control what the cameraman does by checking the instant replay to make the correct call. Because the reasoning behind the ground rule was invalid the ground rule is illegal, because they used instant replay to uphold it, a clear contradiction. The reasoning behind the ground rule is only valid when the umps do not have access to instant replay. If they do not have access to instant replay they cannot control what the camerman does. If they do have access to instant replay they can control what the cameraman does by checking the instant replay to make the correct call. Because the reasoning behind the ground rule was invalid the ground rule is illegal, because they used instant replay to uphold it, a clear contradiction.

]]> By: Mike Schmidthttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154632 Mike Schmidt Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:18:03 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154632 The ground rule that the umps made up is inconsistent with having instant replay. The rule states that any ball hitting a camera is a home run because the umps do not control the camerman. That is only true when the umps do not have instant replay. Because the umps have instant replay their reasoning behind the ground rule is a lie and the ground rule is illegal. The ground rule that the umps made up is inconsistent with having instant replay. The rule states that any ball hitting a camera is a home run because the umps do not control the camerman. That is only true when the umps do not have instant replay. Because the umps have instant replay their reasoning behind the ground rule is a lie and the ground rule is illegal.

]]> By: Mike Schmidthttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154628 Mike Schmidt Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:13:13 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154628 The thing about the A-Rod double is simple. The umps made up a ground rule that anything that hits a camera is a home run. Their reasoning behind it is that they do not control what the cameraman does with the camera. That reasoning is a lie. They do control what the camerman does with the camera, they are moving him back for game 4 and they also control what the cameraman does with the camera by having instant replay. Instant replay can check to see where the camerman is, the umps don't need to make up a ground rule about cameras. That ground rule that the umps made up is inconsistent with having instant replay. And they used the instant replay to uphold a bogus rule that should only be in effect when they do not have instant replay. That is why the call is bogus. The thing about the A-Rod double is simple. The umps made up a ground rule that anything that hits a camera is a home run. Their reasoning behind it is that they do not control what the cameraman does with the camera. That reasoning is a lie. They do control what the camerman does with the camera, they are moving him back for game 4 and they also control what the cameraman does with the camera by having instant replay. Instant replay can check to see where the camerman is, the umps don’t need to make up a ground rule about cameras. That ground rule that the umps made up is inconsistent with having instant replay. And they used the instant replay to uphold a bogus rule that should only be in effect when they do not have instant replay. That is why the call is bogus.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154624 Andrew Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:02:16 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154624 Hes got value now. Hes a hollywood head case. We have Jennifer Tilly as one of our top end pitchers. I dont see it working out. Be like watching Jon Runyan commercials during the game he let strahan get 7 sacks. its a bit annoying. Hes got value now. Hes a hollywood head case. We have Jennifer Tilly as one of our top end pitchers. I dont see it working out.
Be like watching Jon Runyan commercials during the game he let strahan get 7 sacks. its a bit annoying.

]]> By: poomiehttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154623 poomie Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:58:03 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154623 Get rid of Hamels Get rid of Hamels

]]> By: Andrewhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154621 Andrew Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:52:12 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154621 Im raving? He didnt earn any of these starts. He has sucked in each and every one. couldnt Moyer or basicly any person have pitched similar. Yup i am pissed. I dont understand how this happened. I know the old man is loyal but be loyal to the guys who go you here. Chambles did not. when under .500 teams start getting to the series he may be the man then. I didnt think he earned a start in the post season. and hes pitched like it. Pedro has 2 good starts in the postseason. I expcet one from balnton tongiht. What gets me is that to me its unjustifiable. Except that the old man will trot out the same old same old. Liek lee getting full rest. I can repect that. But Moyer Happ and Blanton and Pedro all earned it more this year. I wonder what kind of endorsements Chambles will get now. Im raving? He didnt earn any of these starts. He has sucked in each and every one. couldnt Moyer or basicly any person have pitched similar. Yup i am pissed.
I dont understand how this happened. I know the old man is loyal but be loyal to the guys who go you here. Chambles did not. when under .500 teams start getting to the series he may be the man then.
I didnt think he earned a start in the post season. and hes pitched like it. Pedro has 2 good starts in the postseason. I expcet one from balnton tongiht.
What gets me is that to me its unjustifiable. Except that the old man will trot out the same old same old. Liek lee getting full rest. I can repect that. But Moyer Happ and Blanton and Pedro all earned it more this year.
I wonder what kind of endorsements Chambles will get now.

]]> By: joedadhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154620 joedad Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:46:38 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154620 j reed, I dreamed the same thing just after getting Lee this year, hoping a miraclulous acquisition of Halladay. Would have been sweet. I haven't though about the offseason much. It will depend if they win it all this year IMO j reed, I dreamed the same thing just after getting Lee this year, hoping a miraclulous acquisition of Halladay. Would have been sweet. I haven’t though about the offseason much. It will depend if they win it all this year IMO

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154616 j reed Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:28:27 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154616 You have to admit, Lee and Halladay would be the most brutal pitching tandem MLB has seen in some time You have to admit, Lee and Halladay would be the most brutal pitching tandem MLB has seen in some time

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154615 j reed Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:25:15 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154615 joedad - we can dream. As I've annoited you the Nostradomus of Phillies Nation what do you think will happen in the off season joedad – we can dream. As I’ve annoited you the Nostradomus of Phillies Nation what do you think will happen in the off season

]]> By: joedadhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154613 joedad Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:18:51 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154613 Why would you think Hamels would pitch the game of his life? Nothing pointed to that happening. Don't be pissed at him because he can't back your outlandish predictions ;)The Phils couldn't afford Lee and Halladay past next year. Lee will get $20 million plus when his contract is up if he pitches like he is capable next year. I'd love to see Halladay here next year but not at the expense of Hamels. Why would you think Hamels would pitch the game of his life? Nothing pointed to that happening. Don’t be pissed at him because he can’t back your outlandish predictions ;)

The Phils couldn’t afford Lee and Halladay past next year. Lee will get $20 million plus when his contract is up if he pitches like he is capable next year. I’d love to see Halladay here next year but not at the expense of Hamels.

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154612 j reed Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:18:26 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154612 We should keep in mind that Hamels, by baseball standards, was rushed into the Show. Maybe we are seeing fallout from that. The monor leagues are there for pitchers to learn not only gamemanship but secondary pitches...the Bigs is not the place, unless your on the Pirates, that you want to experiment with new pitches. We should keep in mind that Hamels, by baseball standards, was rushed into the Show. Maybe we are seeing fallout from that. The monor leagues are there for pitchers to learn not only gamemanship but secondary pitches…the Bigs is not the place, unless your on the Pirates, that you want to experiment with new pitches.

]]> By: j reedhttp://philliesnation.com/archives/2009/11/hamels-struggles-getting-the-best-of-him/comment-page-2/#comment-154611 j reed Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:09:39 +0000 http://www.philliesnation.com/?p=9869#comment-154611 Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay on the same team. Whoa...we would put up historic numbers.... Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay on the same team. Whoa…we would put up historic numbers….

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